I really do not know how to get through to you and your group. I am sorry. But you constantly stand on single verses. Take Roman 6.16 as you did. You do not harmonize is with all scripture. You stand on a single verse. And then you expect everyone to go through your every single standing verse and refute your use of it. This is tiresome, useless, and of no value. \
If I say "Come over to my house anytime you want."
And I also say "Except between the hours of 10pm and 8am."
You will stand on the "Come over to my house anytime you want." because this is somehow only what you believe. So you disregard all other statements around and that affect that single-standing statement. But you do it to the Word. Me. I don't care. But doing it to the Word?
You don't apparently even know how to read scripture. Or quote it properly. Because you only use one single verse. Over and over. And out of context. You make it up, what you want it to mean, and then you tie it together with other 'supporting' single-standing verses. And frankly, you put out untruths and garbage.
[Rom 6:16 KJV] 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of
sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
We get it. You are trying to scare us into perfection. Because it is
Sin Unto Death for you.
And you ignore the context of Rom 6, Rom 5 and probably all of Romans.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being
justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have
access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed;
because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Rom 5:6 For when
we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth
his love toward us, in that,
while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,
we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon
all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.
But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might
grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore
we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed,
that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon
ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Slaves to Righteousness
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye
were the servants of sin, but
ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It is all because of Jesus. He makes us righteiuos and we are not under sin. We are under Jesus. We are Freed from Sin. But all you can worry about is sin. Sin sin sin! We are free from sin Through Jesus.
You speak only of enslavement to sin, habitual sin, and uncontrolled sin; with little to zero recognition sin outside of that.
Your bible teacher is not very good.
Try reading the whole chapter, and the chapter(s) before.
Try reading commentaries.
It is clear you do not have a very good understanding of sin. I believe you only have one definition of it.
B. The believer under grace and the problem of occasional sin.
1. (
Romans 6:15) A new question is asked: shall we sin (occasionally) because we are not under law but under grace?
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
a.
Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Paul has convinced us that a lifestyle of habitual sin is not compatible with one whose life is changed by grace. But what about an occasional sin here and there? If we are under grace and not law, must we be so concerned about a little sin here and there?
b.
Shall we sin: Again, the verb tense of the ancient Greek word
sin is important (the
aorist active tense). It indicates dabbling in sin, not the continual habitual sin described in the question of
Romans 6:1.
i. “The verb in verse one is in the present subjunctive, speaking of habitual, continuous action. The verb in verse fifteen is in the aorist subjunctive, referring to a single act.” (Wuest)
2. (
Romans 6:16-17) Spiritual principles we need to understand in order to answer the question.
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin
leading to death, or of obedience
leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that
though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
a.
To whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves: Whatever you present yourself to obey, you become its slave. For example, if I obey my appetite constantly, I am a slave to it. So we have a choice in our slavery:
sin leading to death or
obedience leading to righteousness.
i. One way or another, we will serve somebody. The option to live our life without serving either
sin or
obedience isn’t open to us.
b.
Though you were slaves of sin: Paul puts it in the past tense because we
have been freed from our slavery to sin. He also says that we have been set free by
faith, which he describes as
obedience from the heart. The faith is put in
God’s Word, which he describes as
that form of doctrine. All in all, the point is clear: “You put your faith in God and His Word, and now you are set free. Now live every day consistent with that freedom.”
i. As was seen earlier in
Romans 6, we can be
legally free and still
choose to live like a prisoner. Paul has a simple command and encouragement for the Christian:
be what you
are.
ii.
Obeyed from the heart is a wonderful description of faith. It shows that faith comes from the
heart, not only the mind. It shows that faith results in
obedience because if we really believe something, we will act according to that belief.
c.
That form of doctrine: This phrase is part of a beautiful picture. The word
form describes a mold used to shape molten metal. The idea is that God wants to
shape us — first He
melts us by the work of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. Then He
pours us into His mold of truth —
that form of doctrine and shapes us into His image.
i. Adam Clarke on
that form of doctrine: “Here Christianity is represented under the notion of a
mould, or
die, into which they were
cast, and from which they took the
impression of its excellence. The
figure upon this
die is the image of God,
righteousness and true holiness, which was
stamped on their souls in believing the Gospel and receiving the Holy Ghost. The words... refer to the
melting of metal, which, when it is liquefied, is cast into the mould, that it may receive the impression that is
sunk or
cut in the mould; and therefore the words may be literally translated,
into which mould of doctrine ye have been cast. They were
melted down under the preaching of the word, and then were capable of receiving the stamp of its purity.”
Peace and Blessings
