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Is there anyone else better than Biden or Trump for President?

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Right...which is that weaponization of the DOJ everyone is talking about.
Not exactly everyone, Just a minority of USA are saying this. Those that are caught up in the MAGA cult
If you're charging someone with a crime you yourself have committed....and that someone is your political opponent...
Well D Trump isn't the prosecutor's political opponent. The prosecutor isn't running for office, they are just doing their job, which is to investigate potential crimes. They have been investigating Hunter, investigating Biden for possession of documents, investigating Trump for possession of documents, lying to the FBI, concealing documents, getting others to conceal them etc, investigating Pence for possession of documents, they investigated H Clinton for having a private email server. It seems they investigate many political persons on both sides of the aisle.
 
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Why don't these unknowns get any airtime? I've seen RFK on youtube.

Pretty simple really....they prefer that you get to choose between the two candidates they bought. If you keep adding people, it keeps getting more expensive. If someone you haven't bought appears to be winning....that's cause for panic.

You may recall a brief but significant market crash in the days after Trump's 2016 election. Trump ran his campaign on mostly his own money....not donor money. His win caused big donors to panic, as they lost the certainty of being able to tell the president what to do.
 
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Why don't these unknowns get any airtime? I've seen RFK on youtube.
It's pretty natural that not everyone running in the primaries get equal time.
D Trump is of course going to get more air time than Ramaswamy. Ramaswamy was never popular and so the audiences of media didn't really want to hear much about him.

RFK isn't popular, his anti vax stance is horrendous. It is very unlikely that many people care about RFK as a presidential candidate, and so audience of media don't really want to hear much about him.
 
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The circumstances are hardly equivalent...

You're correct.

Basically you are suggesting that Bernie Madoff style fraud

Which one is Madoff in this analogy?


and extortion is equivalent to stealing some cigarettes at a convenience store.

If Trump was disclosing highly classified military intelligence secrets to some author who was writing his biography....yeah, this would be more comparable.

I'm aware Trump disclosed some information while president....but he's actually allowed to do that as president.

I also read a lot of the actual report....wild stuff really. There seems to be little doubt that Biden was well aware that not only did he possess classified documents he wasn't allowed to possess...but he shared highly classified information he wasn't allowed to share.

But hey, because he's so mentally impaired, it's possible he didn't realize it.....so no charges lol.
 
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What happened to common sense and moral governing? And now highly divisive and extreme policies.

Gun rights and control, 1st amendment right, but no canons for citizens in 1790s, so should be no mass assault weapons like AK15s for citizens now. Extremes now on abortion in Texas, mother's life has to be at the moment in danger and not before whereas New York stste almost anything goes up to the point of birth, though not as extreme as King Herod in New Testament times killing all male babies up to two years old.

Look at governor records for some good, not all perfect. DeSantis it made sense to implement tougher e-verify enforcement and not to indoctrinate impressionable young children in the schools. Youngkin in VA (not in 2024 presidential running) no CRT history in schools and reduced sales tax on food from 6% to only 1% and embraces the good in diversity, in his inauguration which had American Indians involved and African lieutenant governor and Latino attorney general. Haley in SC and Pence in IN had their positive legislative records too, though like anyone, not all perfect. Also sometimes minds change as history changes, like with Civil War reasoning, at least recognizing slavery is wrong.

Governor past records working with divided state legislatures are good indicator records for Presidential potential. It takes hard work, not excessive use of sometimes divisive executive orders which both major parties guilty of, to get things done for the people. The job with Congress is even tougher with way more diversity than some states. Nancy Pelosi, former Speaker of the House, walked across the aisle with Reagan but had to give up after some time with Trump.
I’ve never heard of the AK15. Can you post a link to where someone might find one?
 
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Not exactly everyone, Just a minority of USA are saying this.

I don't know about that. The left mentions it at least as much as the right. I'm sure it looks different for anyone who only views it through their preferred propaganda.


Well D Trump isn't the prosecutor's political opponent.

And?



The prosecutor isn't running for office, they are just doing their job, which is to investigate potential crimes.

And?



They have been investigating Hunter, investigating Biden for possession of documents,

Who is they?



investigating Trump for possession of documents, lying to the FBI,

Uh huh.



concealing documents, getting others to conceal them etc,

Go on...



investigating Pence for possession of documents, they investigated H Clinton for having a private email server. It seems they investigate many political persons on both sides of the aisle.

Not really.

I wouldn't expect to have to explain this to anyone, but the whole reason information gets classified is so it doesn't fall into someone's hands that shouldn't have it.

Anyway, when discussing which is the more serious crime....

Possession is up to 5 years and a fine (generally speaking).

Disclosure is up to 10 years and a much larger fine (generally speaking).

So in this case....it's odd we're watching 1 president charged with a crime that's less serious than the one the other president was doing.
 
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Not exactly everyone, Just a minority of USA are saying this. Those that are caught up in the MAGA cult

Well D Trump isn't the prosecutor's political opponent. The prosecutor isn't running for office, they are just doing their job, which is to investigate potential crimes. They have been investigating Hunter, investigating Biden for possession of documents, investigating Trump for possession of documents, lying to the FBI, concealing documents, getting others to conceal them etc, investigating Pence for possession of documents, they investigated H Clinton for having a private email server. It seems they investigate many political persons on both sides of the aisle.

Honestly, it's odd he's still president. If he's so impaired he's unable to be held accountable for his crimes....the Democrats that are currently in office should be voting to have him removed already.
 
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Yes, and I'd rather "throw away my vote" than choose between either of the two current front-runners. RFK Jr. looks like a reasonable alternative at this point. Although I don't agree with him on everything (I've yet to agree with a candidate on everything), he has a few good ideas and isn't a total wildcard. He also has name recognition. Something that other independent and 3rd party candidates I've voted for have lacked. Not that I'm totally on board with him yet. We'll see what the future brings.
 
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I’ve never heard of the AK15. Can you post a link to where someone might find one?

I think the AK15 refers to the 15th prototype version of the AK47, though I can't imagine anyone having one.
 
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Honestly, it's odd he's still president. If he's so impaired he's unable to be held accountable for his crimes....the Democrats that are currently in office should be voting to have him removed already.
Has he been assessed by a doctor?
 
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So in this case....it's odd we're watching 1 president charged with a crime that's less serious than the one the other president was doing.
Three people had classified documents. Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Mike Pence.
Two of those people complied with the law and returned the documents
One of those people lied, and concealed and obstructed.
 
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Honestly, it's odd he's still president. If he's so impaired he's unable to be held accountable for his crimes....the Democrats that are currently in office should be voting to have him removed already.
Problem is that the bar was set so low by the previous president, who still brags about being able to say "person, woman, man, phone, TV" in the correct sequence, and who got his medical clearance from a doctor with an alcoholic background who was rewarded with a nomination to a Texas Congressional seat, a "very stable genius" who suggested gargling with bleach to combat COVID and hundreds of other clearly unhinged comments--that Biden seems like a Rhodes Scholar (albeit elderly) by comparison.
 
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I think the AK15 refers to the 15th prototype version of the AK47, though I can't imagine anyone having one.
 
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Three people had classified documents. Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Mike Pence.
Two of those people complied with the law and returned the documents
One of those people lied, and concealed and obstructed.
Cooperation doesn’t mean the charges just go away. Everyone says what’s different about Trump is that he didn’t cooperate, that’s obstruction, so charge him with obstruction but treat him the same as everyone else for having classified documents
 
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There are likely a bunch of better people for the job. But they are smart enough, humble enough, and ethical enough to do something different with their lives than wade around in the cesspool of politics.

I think that's the problem we see today, Christians stepped aside instead of leading. As a whole they have...

We either have dominionists or no Christians at all... How about Christians come back because it's dirty.. help clean stuff up.
 
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Cooperation doesn’t mean the charges just go away. Everyone says what’s different about Trump is that he didn’t cooperate, that’s obstruction, so charge him with obstruction but treat him the same as everyone else for having classified documents
It seems that quite often people get done for the cover up.

D Trump had the officials working with him for about a year, with kid gloves, trying very hard to get him to give the documents back, finally they got fed up and ordered the raid of his property.

If he had just complied then he would be in the same position as Biden and Pence.
If Biden or Pence had refused, and lied and what not, then they would be in the same position as Trump.
 
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It seems that quite often people get done for the cover up.

D Trump had the officials working with him for about a year, with kid gloves, trying very hard to get him to give the documents back, finally they got fed up and ordered the raid of his property.

If he had just complied then he would be in the same position as Biden and Pence.
If Biden or Pence had refused, and lied and what not, then they would be in the same position as Trump.
Again that is obstruction, that’s what he should be charged with.
 
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