Trump Attempts to Kill Border Security Legislation - Again

[Ana the Ist]

No, but it means everybody would be removed without a hearing, including those who would normally request asylum.

Removed where? Mexico?

 

[stevil]

The border is shut?

Meaning what exactly? We'll shoot anyone who tries crossing?

Trump suggested that.
When he was told it would be illegal, then he suggested just shooting them in the legs.

 

[stevil]

Redirect Notice

Realistically, the average has been higher than that, per day, for every year of Biden's term.

So you can see some value in getting this bill passed then?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Trump suggested that.
When he was told it would be illegal, then he suggested just shooting them in the legs.

At some point the decision is that or sink into 3rd world poverty.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So you can see some value in getting this bill passed then?

No.

It doesn't explain how we would deport people to Angola, or Senegal, or Ecuador, or Venezuela, and so on...

If they are simply waiting in Mexico, then we will go above the limit every single day.

We're only doing these numbers because the majority are cooperating....they turn themselves in after crossing.

Once they know that won't work, they won't cooperate. It becomes much more dangerous at that point.

Nope. This won't work at all.

 

[stevil]

No.

It doesn't explain how we would deport people to Angola, or Senegal, or Ecuador, or Venezuela, and so on...

If they are simply waiting in Mexico, then we will go above the limit every single day.

We're only doing these numbers because the majority are cooperating....they turn themselves in after crossing.

Once they know that won't work, they won't cooperate. It becomes much more dangerous at that point.

Nope. This won't work at all.

So you don't like enforcing limits?

I think that was something that the Republicans wanted in the bill.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So you don't like enforcing limits?

How would they be enforced?

 

[stevil]

At some point the decision is that or sink into 3rd world poverty.

So you are supportive of just shooting people at the border. People that are coming across seeking asylum. Rather than process their application, shoot them instead.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So you are supportive of just shooting people at the border.

@stevil in everything we can describe things 2 ways...

1. The way you think they should be, but aren't.
2. The way they are.

Which are we doing here?

 

[Arcangl86]

Removed where? Mexico?

To their home country

 

[stevil]

@stevil in everything we can describe things 2 ways...

1. The way you think they should be, but aren't.
2. The way they are.

Which are we doing here?

Can you quit with your condescending nonsense.

 

[DaisyDay]

“Early 2020”, when the spike started, would’ve been … checks calendar… the last year of the Trump administration.

Yes, but we all know that the last year doesn’t count.

 

[BCP1928]

So you don't like enforcing limits?

I think that was something that the Republicans wanted in the bill.

The Republicans don't want limits, they want no asylum for illegal entrants at all.

 

[wing2000]

From Sen Sinema website.....one of the main objectives of the bill was to give DHS the authority to "shut down" the border when their capacity to process people is overwhelmed. Currently, DHS has no such authority.

Myth: This bill will let 5,000 migrants into the country per day.

Fact: The bill ends catch and release.
The new Border Emergency Authority (BEA) closes the border to prevent the system from being overwhelmed. In December of 2023, there were over 300,000 migrant encounters along the southwest border. These historically high numbers have overwhelmed the system. Currently, most migrants approaching the border are released into the interior of the country. The bill ends catch and release by detaining and removing individuals quickly, and placing those who cannot be detained into non-custodial rapid processing under government supervision. The bill creates a rapid consequence system: those who do not have valid claims to asylum will be quickly removed from the country.

When the number of people approaching the border exceeds our ability to process them, DHS will now have a new authority – called the Border Emergency Authority – to stop migrant surges that overwhelm the border. This authority allows DHS to quickly reassert control of the border and the system.

The BEA is a backstop for use in emergency situations. If the number of migrants attempting to cross the border – including migrants using the CBP One app at Ports of Entry – continues at its current high pace, the border WILL be shut down. If the daily average of migrant encounters reaches 5,000 over a week, DHS must close the border indefinitely until numbers fall and DHS has processing capacity and operational control of the border.

● 5,000 refers to total migrants attempting to cross the border – not the number of individuals allowed into the country, as some have claimed. The bill ends the practice of catch and release.

● All migrant encounters – with or without BEA in effect – will be processed using the new removal authority. Those who seek asylum will undergo a swift Protection Determination Interview at the higher screening standard and will be immediately removed from the country if they fail.

The border will not reopen until numbers reduce to a level that allows DHS to regain operational control for a sustained period.

 

[BPPLEE]

OK but it says

”The new emergency authority becomes mandatory if border “encounters” reach over 5,000 over a period of seven days
So if you have 5k for 7 days straight, then the border is shut.
So you can't possibly have 5,000 every day for a year.

We have more than that now. What makes you think it will change?

 

[BPPLEE]

From Sen Sinema website.....one of the main objectives of the bill was to give DHS the authority to "shut down" the border when their capacity to process people is overwhelmed. Currently, DHS has no such authority.

Myth: This bill will let 5,000 migrants into the country per day.

Fact: The bill ends catch and release.
The new Border Emergency Authority (BEA) closes the border to prevent the system from being overwhelmed. In December of 2023, there were over 300,000 migrant encounters along the southwest border. These historically high numbers have overwhelmed the system. Currently, most migrants approaching the border are released into the interior of the country. The bill ends catch and release by detaining and removing individuals quickly, and placing those who cannot be detained into non-custodial rapid processing under government supervision. The bill creates a rapid consequence system: those who do not have valid claims to asylum will be quickly removed from the country.

When the number of people approaching the border exceeds our ability to process them, DHS will now have a new authority – called the Border Emergency Authority – to stop migrant surges that overwhelm the border. This authority allows DHS to quickly reassert control of the border and the system.

The BEA is a backstop for use in emergency situations. If the number of migrants attempting to cross the border – including migrants using the CBP One app at Ports of Entry – continues at its current high pace, the border WILL be shut down. If the daily average of migrant encounters reaches 5,000 over a week, DHS must close the border indefinitely until numbers fall and DHS has processing capacity and operational control of the border.

● 5,000 refers to total migrants attempting to cross the border – not the number of individuals allowed into the country, as some have claimed. The bill ends the practice of catch and release.

● All migrant encounters – with or without BEA in effect – will be processed using the new removal authority. Those who seek asylum will undergo a swift Protection Determination Interview at the higher screening standard and will be immediately removed from the country if they fail.

The border will not reopen until numbers reduce to a level that allows DHS to regain operational control for a sustained period.

The border is never shut down. This is a myth.
“Furthermore, the bill requires the government to allow people to seek asylum at ports of entry even during a border emergency and requires the government to maintain capacity for 1,400 daily entries in this manner—ensuring that asylum will not be wholly unavailable“

 

[wing2000]

The border is never shut down. This is a myth.

I would like to understand what "shutdown" means in an operational sense.

“Furthermore, the bill requires the government to allow people to seek asylum at ports of entry even during a border emergency and requires the government to maintain capacity for 1,400 daily entries in this manner—ensuring that asylum will not be wholly unavailable“

Legally, its assumed a path for asylum applicants must remain open. Do you believe otherwise?

 

[BCP1928]

The border is never shut down. This is a myth.
“Furthermore, the bill requires the government to allow people to seek asylum at ports of entry even during a border emergency and requires the government to maintain capacity for 1,400 daily entries in this manner—ensuring that asylum will not be wholly unavailable“

So it's not just asylum for illegal entrants you oppose, you don't want to grant any asylum at all???

 

[BPPLEE]

The border is shut?

Meaning what exactly? We'll shoot anyone who tries crossing?

It means they have to go to a port of entry. The border is never shut.

 

[BPPLEE]

So it's not just asylum for illegal entrants you oppose, you don't want to grant any asylum at all???

It’s just not true that the border shuts down. And if this bill becomes law they will just stop turning themselves in and come in undetected