The Times we Live in and what we need to do.

[honey badger]

That revelation is in the gospels and the Body of Christ`s future was NOT known then. The weeds and tares refer to Israel and the nation`s future.

the bible is a singular narative ....

 

[guyver]

Good thought there, however, the `horsemen` are representative of human behaviour. (re. the 4 horsemen of Rev. 6)

If it's just a switch from cash to digital then the horsemen have nothing to do with it.

 

[Marilyn C]

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There are verses in the gospels that address the rapture. Why would God's greatest prophet, Jesus not be the first to address this event of His church.

Which verse please? Jesus came as Israel`s Messiah, and that is what He was speaking to. It was NOT until He ascended to the Father that His next purpose was started.

 

[Marilyn C]

the bible is a singular narative ....

Yes, it is a singular narrative with Christ as its center - His character and His purposes for - the Nations, for Israel and for the Body of Christ. Each in their own time frame.

 

[Marilyn C]

If it's just a switch from cash to digital then the horsemen have nothing to do with it.

The 4 Horsemen represent the great powers of our day - British Commonwealth & America, the Russian Federation, the European Union, and the Islamic Federation.

 

[guyver]

The 4 Horsemen represent the great powers of our day - British Commonwealth & America, the Russian Federation, the European Union, and the Islamic Federation.

Only in your mind certainly not in mine.

 

[d taylor]

Which verse please? Jesus came as Israel`s Messiah, and that is what He was speaking to. It was NOT until He ascended to the Father that His next purpose was started.

The Rapture in Matthew 24? Nine Proofs – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[Marilyn C]

The Rapture in Matthew 24? Nine Proofs – Grace Evangelical Society

But the Body of Christ revelation was NOT known till the Lord revealed it to the Apostle Paul.

 

[Marilyn C]

Only in your mind certainly not in mine.

So these great powers are not the great powers of our day? And why wouldn`t God reveal the 4 great powers before He sets up His kingdom rule through Israel over the nations. (Dan. 7)

 

[guyver]

So these great powers are not the great powers of our day? And why wouldn`t God reveal the 4 great powers before He sets up His kingdom rule through Israel over the nations. (Dan. 7)

The 4 horsemen are revealed in Matthew 24 and are not nations or powers but events.
You might be thinking of Daniels prophecies

 

[Marilyn C]

The 4 horsemen are revealed in Matthew 24 and are not nations or powers but events.
You might be thinking of Daniels prophecies

Yes I did quote Dan. 7.

 

[Fisherking]

The Times we Live in and what we need to do.

Many of us realize that the times of the Gentiles ruling is coming to an end.

Firstly sister, you conflate what the "time of the Gentiles" means, reread Roman's chapters 9-11, it is showing us that this time is about service unto God, not ruling, I do not even get that thought process tbh, there has been no time when the gentiles overall were not stronger than Israel, so that is not the inference. In Rom. 9-11 we can see that Paul in ch. 9 is referencing Jacob being chosen over Esau, how God hardened the Pharoah's heart, how the Potter choses what and whom He so chooses. Then in ch. 11 Paul clearly states that God is not finished with Israel (with her service unto him......via the Kingdom Age) and that Israel will remain blinded until the time of the Gentiles is come full (the Service of the Church) and only then will the scales be taken off Israel, as a nation.

Jews have not been blinded as individuals, so how can a nation be blinded? Well, for one when they rejected Jesus as their Messiah, God disbanded them as a nation, they were seen as dead men's bones unto God, they were not raised up again as a nation until 1948, born in one day as the prophesy tells us. So, Israel can not "see again" until the service of the Gentile church is up, which means until we are raptured before the 70th week. How is this not evident? When we start off on a wrong assumption, we can never get back on track until we see the word for what it actually means.

We see them futilely attempting to form a central world government thinking they can bring peace upon the earth. However, we know man can only seek to control others either through military or economic means.

So, this is why understanding the former is so important. You conflated the issues and yes there will be an Anti-Christ man, ruling over Europe who will conquer the Mediterranean Region, but he never even attempts to conquer the whole world, that is just improper eschatology.

The IMF (as some say, the International Mafia Fund) predicts the world is heading for an economic collapse. As if they haven`t planned that through pumping trillions of dollars into the world`s economies. Thus, we are seeing and hearing the `Black horse` striding across the world bringing famine and great inflation in its wake.

Now this is spot on, the USA is about to collapse, this allows for the E.U. Anti-Christ to come forth in a more powerful mode. No horses are seen until the 70th week starts. The starvation and hunger comes from a lot of things, a 1/3 of the world will burn, an asteroid will blot out the suns rays by 1/3, and thus things are much harder to grow, and of course the wars will bring about hunger also. But that is during the 70th week

That `Day` is the Day of the LORD, God Almighty in judgment. We are not in that Day but see it approaching. Now that Day begins when the Russian Federation, plus Iran and others come down to the Golan Heights to destroy Israel. These nations are already connecting and planning against Israel. However, it will be in God`s own timing.

No, that is not the DOTL, that is Gog & Magog which chases Israel into the arms of the A.C. (E.U.). By the time the DOTL comes those nations armies of Gog/Magog will be wiped out by 5/6.

 

[Marilyn C]

So, this is why understanding the former is so important. You conflated the issues and yes there will be an Anti-Christ man, ruling over Europe who will conquer the Mediterranean Region, but he never even attempts to conquer the whole world, that is just improper eschatology.

We know from scripture where the anti-Christ will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.



Details of the anti-Christ –


His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)

 

[Fisherking]

We know from scripture where the anti-Christ will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.



Details of the anti-Christ –


His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

No sister, he's not born in old Assyria (Southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, with a sliver of Syria.

The Middle Green version of the Kingdom was the most noted regional power base, as stated above, not the light green kingdom which did not last very long. So, Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, and a sliver of Syria make up the old Assyrian power base.

Your problem, like many others, is you do not take all of the info about this coming Little Horn/A.C. into account, you only pick and choose what affirms you hypothesis, which is very bad for understanding eschatology in the long run.

So, is he the Assyrian, yes, by bloodline he has to be, but other scriptures show where he has to be born and where he has to arise to political power from, and because of "The Assyrian" angle you discount those facts in full, which is always an error in prophecy, we can not discount any prophecy.

Take Jesus' birth for instance, "he will come out of Egypt" (Hosea 11:1) Then the bile also says he will be born in Bethlehem. He is shown as a conquering king and a suffering servant, he will be a Nazarene, he is born of a virgin, he is the Son of God etc. etc. So, was Jesus an Egyptian by birth? No, he was born in Bethlehem, but he did also come out of Egypt, see my point(s) sister? All of the prophesies have to be fulfilled, not just "The Assyrian" prophesies. Lets say 2000 years ago if certain people choose only to look at Hosea 11:1 and not all of the prophesies about the Messiah they might have thought he was born in Egypt. That is why we can not pick and choose, we have to add all of the prophesies together.

So, is his nationality an Assyrian? No there was will be no Assyria to be born into, so this mention can only be about the "bloodline" sister, not where he is born. Syria, is not Assyria. So, where does this man have to be born at according to the scriptures? Well, we are told, God gives us every Greek king from Alexander the Great to Antiochus Epiphanes IV in verses 21-34 in Dan. 11, then we are shown the Little Horn/A.C. in verses 36-45. Why are we given every Greek king and then also given Little Horn/Anti-Christ at the end of that chapter? Because he is a Greek born king. Reading Dan. 8:9 shows us this very clearly.

Daniell 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great(Alexander the Great): and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up "four notable ones toward the four winds" of heaven. (Direction)

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(Do you get what this means sister ?), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. (He has to come out of one of the four generals locations.)

So, does the Anti-Christ conquer Israel? Yes, so we know waxes great towards means he conquers in that Direction, (four winds is God telling us these four generals are used as directional inferences). And out of one of them, well one of who? Seleucus, Ptolemy, Cassander (Greece) and Antigones and/or Lysimachus. So, how do we know where he is from? You think (it seems) he is born in Syria (Seleucus) but the scriptures show us different sister? Does that matter to you or is your thesis the be all end all?

This man conquers in certain, foretold directions, toward the East or Seleucus toward the South or Ptolemy, and toward Israel. So lets look at a map and analyze this sister.

Only a Little Horn born in Greece/Cassander can conquer towards the East (Turkey/Seleucus) towards Israel and towards the South (Egypt/Ptolemy). There is no other option in this four way generals battle, known as the Syrian Wars of which there were six wars, the A.C./Little Horn will be the 7th battle. Its not involving Russia nor Iraq/Iran to the East, its an inter kingdom battle only !! We get Daniel 11 for one reason, the end time Little Horn will be a Greek born man.

There of course is one more prophetic statement that has to be fulfilled. Dan. 7:7-8.

Dan. 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(A.C.), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So, this Little Horn/A.C. is a man, who is born amongst the 10 kings, here God uses 10 as completion, so the 10 that arise out of the fourth beasts head simply means that this Beast's territory is reassembled, in full, completely (the E.U.) and then a man is born in the E.U. (10 kings/horns/toes), and he will then be given power by Satan through the E.U. And as we all know Greece is in the E.U.

So, you take the Assyrian and override all of the other prophesies. If you were living 2000 plus years ago your diagnoses of the coming Messiah would have been that he was born in Egypt, if you followed the trajectory you are putting forth here sister. A Little Horn/A.C. being born in Syria dos not pass muster, he will be born in Greece and come to power in the E.U. and he will indeed have an Assyrian bloodline. You see, my understanding allows for the Assyrian prophesy in Isaiah 10, you dismiss Dan. 8:9 and 7:7-8 and we can not dismiss prophecy.

FINISH LATER

 

[Fisherking]

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

This is in error, verse 35 doesn't even go with verses 36-45 anyway.

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Nope, Dan. 7:7-8 is clearly about the Roman Fourth Beast and the 10 that arise from that same region, and you know this.

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

This is very, very, very bad eschatology sister.

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)

Well sister, 1/3 of the world is burning, which part is that sister? That would be North & South America.

In Dan. 2 we see Alexander the Great is said to rule the Whole Earth, did he? No, but he did rule the whole region being spoken about, the 7 Headed 10 Horned Region. (Mediterranean Sea Region) But alas, he really did not rule the whole region back then, look at a map, only Rome ruled the whole region, but Alexanders offspring will rule the whole region, as the Anti-Christ. That prophecy in Dan. 2 can ony be fulfilled by a Greek born Anti-Christ, watch this.

Dan. 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. (So, this never means that Alexander the Great ruled the whole earth, but it means someone from his kingdom will rule the Whole Earth [eventually]. What earth? The Seven Headed Ten Horn Region only, not the whole earth. Just the "GROUND/Earth" being spoken about. And only if the Little Horn is born in Greece can this prophecy come to pass sister, because else God lied, because Alexander the Great nor any of his Four Generals ever conquered the whole region being spoken about. See below.

So, the Greek Kingdom

1.) Never conquered the whole world (we know that)
2.) And never even conquered the Whole Region being spoken about, so did God lie? No, SEE BELOW.

This nation above (Rome) of course did conquer the whole region, but still, this does not cover the Greek Prophecy right? Right !! but when we look to the end time Little Horn/A.C. he does conquer the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, and since he is born in Greece that prophecy in Dan. 2:39 is fulfilled, but in the very end times, I just put this together in full tonight, God always shows me new things.

So, reading Dan. 11:40-43 we can see he conquers Israel and many nations he passes through to get at Israel, including Turkey, and all of North Africa. Thus the E.U. becomes this below:

So, only at this point in time can the Third Kingdom Greece conquer the whole earth/region being spoken about. It was never talking about the whole world. The New World will all burn up via Apophis in my opinion, Russia and China will be in bad condition because of the Economic collapse, but they will still have nukes, so the Little Horn/A.C. never conquers them, and no prophesy ever says he does, that is you guys taking the whole earth and not interpreting the prophecy correctly.

 

[Marilyn C]

Nope, Dan. 7:7-8 is clearly about the Roman Fourth Beast and the 10 that arise from that same region, and you know this.

You may like to live in the past but God`s word is very up-to-date. No one sees the EU as the terrifying beast, it is quite obvious who that is as they terrorize people across the world today.

 

[Fisherking]

You may like to live in the past but God`s word is very up-to-date. No one sees the EU as the terrifying beast, it is quite obvious who that is as they terrorize people across the world today.

Way to run, hide and dodge every fact that destroyed your thesis. Live in your own bubble, play pretend. SMH Just admit you have no reply and move on.

 

[Marilyn C]

Way to run, hide and dodge every fact that destroyed your thesis. Live in your own bubble, play pretend. SMH Just admit you have no reply and move on.

So, who is killing people across the world?

 

[Fisherking]

So, who is killing people across the world?

Again, you are subbing in the whole world for the whole earth being spoken about, BUT you refuse to acknowledge the facts, Alexander the Great was said to conquer the whole earth, yet you do not understand, or want to just ignore the fact that the earth being spoken about in a 7 Headed 10 Horned region only, that's the "whole earth" being spoken about. It is nonsensical to think one man conquers nations with Nukes like China & Russia. Also, 1/3 of the World will burn, that will be North & South America. When Jesus came why did he only minister to the Jewish nation? Because he needed to have his ministry be a success and he needed to reach only a few men to reach the world. The A.C. needs to also have a contained kingdom to start with, and he only rules for 7 years, that would not be enough time to conquer the whole world my friend.

The 2nd Woe is 200 Million Angels, they kill the 1/3 who have taken the Mark of the Beast. So, when the Beast kills 1/4 it is speaking about in the E.U. and Mediterranean Sea Region he conquers. That is who is killing the Martyrs. But not in the New World which will be on fire, not in China and not in Russia. God is judging the whole world.

 

[Marilyn C]

Again, you are subbing in the whole world for the whole earth being spoken about, BUT you refuse to acknowledge the facts, Alexander the Great was said to conquer the whole earth, yet you do not understand, or want to just ignore the fact that the earth being spoken about in a 7 Headed 10 Horned region only, that's the "whole earth" being spoken about. It is nonsensical to think one man conquers nations with Nukes like China & Russia. Also, 1/3 of the World will but, that will be North & South America. When Jesus came why did he only minister to the Jewish nation? Because he needed to have his ministry be a success and he needed to reach only a few men to reach the world.

The 2nd Woe is 200 Million Angels, they kill the 1/3 who have taken the Mark of the Beast. So, when the Beast kills 1/4 it is speaking about in the E.U. and Mediterranean Sea Region he conquers. That is who is killing the Martyrs. But not in the New World, not in China and not in Russia. God is judging the whole world.

I was just looking at the reality of the situation. The EU is not killing people across the world but the Islamic terrorists are.