Flat Earth Theory.

[Lost4words]

Thank you, Lost, for another post that proved my point.

Glad u agree that flat earth believers are very gullible...

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Jesus walking on water... Not scientific
Jesus bringing Lazarus back from the dead.. Not scientific
Jesus saving a young girl from miles away, Not scientific.
Jesus instantly turning water to wine. Not scientific.
The Red Sea separating for the Israelite's to cross.. Not scientific
A burning bush. Not scientific.
Water pouring from a rock, in the desert. Not scientific.
Floating axe head. Not scientific.
Talking donkey. Not scientific.
Pregnant virgin. Not scientific.

We believe all of these things. Why? Because the eternal safety of our eternal soul depends on it.

Otherwise, we would dismiss them outright.

How hypocritical.

Exactly! The bible is not a science book! I don't understand your last sentence, though.

FWIW, the benefice miracles my wife and I have experienced are also not Scientific. We don't need science to understand God. It does help us understand his creation, though. That's how we came up with the internet.

 

[Lost4words]

You are "Lost for words" must also be lost for ears...
I have not embraced the FE.
At least I have spent time looking into something before I criticize it.
Instead of just blurting out nothing burger cliche comments on other posts.

You ALWAYS defend and back up your flat earth believing friends! Its written! Lol....have you not read your own posts jack?

 

[prodromos]

Thing is..... in all reality, if you were on a ball, as you went up, you would see farther... when you saw farther the horizon would be curving away which would make it lower, much lower.

You simply fail to grasp how huge the earth is.

This is not even close to being represented. Even with high altitude balloon video and photos.
For all intents and purposes.... the horizon remains at eye level...Even the ocean seems to rise up to eye level when you stand on the shore.

Fiction. Purely subjective. You offer nothing objective.

 

[prodromos]

My point was.... to anyone getting up and having a cup of coffee, heading off to work, going out to lunch, taking in a ball game.... whatever... the earth can be flat or a ball...... would not matter one bit.

Even if you go to elaborate scientific tests.. they can't prove any spin or movement through space.

Some of these things are seen every day that there is visibility to that distance. Not on random days where the atmospheric conditions are just right.


On the internet. If you can't even take the time to look into that... then you're not worthy of debating.

You mean like your "refraction" excuse? No, these are regular visible facts.

Do more research. This has been shown in many videos.. Empty horizon... zoom in... voila... a ship, boat.. whatever. Do some research.

Go to any large lake, up in a plane, to an ocean... The horizon is always eye level.... Even if it's slightly below... it is the same at sea level or in a 747 at 30,000 feet.

Check it out on the forum... long discussions. I'm not digging it up for you. Just ask around.

You're one overused excuse.

As usual, you just offer empty claims with nothing to back them up.

Take a good look at your diagram....
Look at the size of the sun as it sits behind the moon. It's not reality.
But, it works for your argument... which is why it's presented this way.

In reality, the sun and moon, when observed from the ground... are identical in size. Which destroys this diagram and it's validity.
The sun, being hidden completely by the moon allows no room for the blessed sacred "umbar" and "penumbra".

The diagram is not to scale because it would not fit on a computer screen, but I have done the calculations and it all works out.

Again... you must have a keyboard... and internet. You are literate.... You can find all the false diagrams and arguments that are spat out like skittles on this forum...

Take a leap and look at some of the other things you are requesting.

Again, all you offer is empty claims. There is more than one 'official' flat earth model, but you can't point me to the 'correct' one.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Glad u agree that flat earth believers are very gullible...

That video I posted a few posts back does a very fair "non-insulting" analysis of "most" flat earthers, though she does account for a small minority of them being loons.

 

[Lost4words]

That video I posted a few posts back does a very fair "non-insulting" analysis of "most" flat earthers, though she does account for a small minority of them being loons.

Yea, i watched it. Thanks for sharing.

 

[JacksBratt]

I think it's that sometimes something is just such lunacy that, though we'd like to ignore it, it's impossible to do so because enough people are young and listening to the lunacy as though it might be true.

As I said in a previous posts When I first saw this flat earth stuff, I honestly thought it was an experiment to see how easy it would be to convince people to believe something that is ridiculous and easily disproven. Yet, as time goes on I'm more convinced that some otherwise intelligent people actually fall for this.

Here is a very level headed and fair observation of the whole thing by a real scientist. It's one of my favorite channels on everything scientific.

I understand the frustration of seeing someone who holds a view to which I whole heatedly believe is obviously false.

That's not my point.

My point is the simple fact that many of them resort to insults, condescension, ridicule, and other ad hominid action.

Rarely do you see that from someone that holds the FE view.

It's like they take it as a personal affront to their own character. They don't seem to be able to process the simple fact that people are allowed to believe a certain view and also have the right to argue that reasoning.

 

[Aussie Pete]

You are right. I apologize.

Not every one of them gets triggered. But..... I see globe believers getting triggered but I don't see FE believers getting triggered.

You are on the wrong forum then. I subscribe to another Christian forum. The lengths to which FE proponents go is absurd. As I said to one, no matter how much you jump up and down, the earth will still not be flat.

I was told by one that I was not saved because I believed the earth is a globe.

 

[JacksBratt]

Glad u agree that flat earth believers are very gullible...

If that is what you got from my post.... I have to ask.. who is the gullible one here.

 

[JacksBratt]

The diagram is not to scale because it would not fit on a computer screen, but I have done the calculations and it all works out.

This diagram is always drawn with the sun larger in diameter relative to the moon. This makes the argument work.
You can still represent the relation of the sun, moon and earth in a diagram with the realistic size relationship of each being relative.
The sun, even though huge, can be shown to be the exact same size of the moon. This would give the proper characteristics of light and shadow.
The moon, in reality, fully blocks the sun.
That is not what is represetned in this diagram where the sun is much bigger and the moon would be fully engulphed in the sun to the point that, viewed from earth there would be no shadow at all.
If the diagram was drawn in such a way that the sun was the same diameter as the moon... as we see from the earths surface... then... .the entire concept that your diagram is trying to present... is null and void.

 

[Laodicean60]

I was wondering if you think everything in the universe is flat?

 

[JacksBratt]

You are on the wrong forum then. I subscribe to another Christian forum. The lengths to which FE proponents go is absurd. As I said to one, no matter how much you jump up and down, the earth will still not be flat.

I was told by one that I was not saved because I believed the earth is a globe.

Someone telling you that your not saved... for whatever they attribute it to.... is an obvious sign that they don't understand God.

 

[Lost4words]

If that is what you got from my post.... I have to ask.. who is the gullible one here.

Those that believe in a flat earth, obviously!

 

[Aussie Pete]

Thing is..... in all reality, if you were on a ball, as you went up, you would see farther... when you saw farther the horizon would be curving away which would make it lower, much lower.
This is not even close to being represented. Even with high altitude balloon video and photos.
For all intents and purposes.... the horizon remains at eye level...Even the ocean seems to rise up to eye level when you stand on the shore.

I have news for new. You can see the curvature of the earth from high altitude. Concord flew at 70,000 feet. The passengers clearly saw the curvature of the earth. I was in the Navy in the 1970's. I've flown over a good deal of the earth both before and since. The earth is a globe.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Someone telling you that your not saved... for whatever they attribute it to.... is an obvious sign that they don't understand God.

For sure. I told them the basis for salvation and it is not FE. Since FE people have little respect for truth, I don't know if they changed their mind or not.

 

[JacksBratt]

I have news for new. You can see the curvature of the earth from high altitude. Concord flew at 70,000 feet. The passengers clearly saw the curvature of the earth. I was in the Navy in the 1970's. I've flown over a good deal of the earth both before and since. The earth is a globe.

If you watched the video of the high altitude balloon video.. they went to 100,000 feet and without a fish eye lense, there was no evidence of a curve. It's in this thread. Check it out.

 

[JacksBratt]

For sure. I told them the basis for salvation and it is not FE. Since FE people have little respect for truth, I don't know if they changed their mind or not.

Salvation is such a debated topic. It was, by design, not supposed to be difficult or complicated.
However, I would argue that people who believe in the FE respect the truth very much and are willing to ask questions of things that those who just sit in a chair at home... accept as fact because someone told them something.

Who has more respect for the truth.... a person who believes everything that they are told..... or someone who questions everything until they are satisfied with the evidence that they uncover to come to their belief in what is true?

Nobody is right in all their beliefs in what is true.

However, truth doesn't care how many people belief in it... It is absolute.... even if nobody knows it or believes it to be so.

 

[prodromos]

Rarely do you see that from someone that holds the FE view

You need to get out more. There are some prominent flat earthers who ridicule and shout down anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[prodromos]

This diagram is always drawn with the sun larger in diameter relative to the moon. This makes the argument work.
You can still represent the relation of the sun, moon and earth in a diagram with the realistic size relationship of each being relative.
The sun, even though huge, can be shown to be the exact same size of the moon. This would give the proper characteristics of light and shadow.
The moon, in reality, fully blocks the sun.
That is not what is represetned in this diagram where the sun is much bigger and the moon would be fully engulphed in the sun to the point that, viewed from earth there would be no shadow at all.
If the diagram was drawn in such a way that the sun was the same diameter as the moon... as we see from the earths surface... then... .the entire concept that your diagram is trying to present... is null and void.

I'm sorry, but you make no sense at all. Do you have a diagram you would like to offer? One that you consider representative?