Israel-Hamas Thread II

[2PhiloVoid]

I understood that......

Oh, Ok. Cool!

 

[Bradskii]

Whenever you try to deflect I know what you are saying.....you seem to give us lots of practice at that sort of thing.......

You seem not to understand the difference between an explanation and a deflection. Maybe you need lots of practice.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What an incredibly naive statement. You are obviously aware of the backlash Israel is getting from its friends. What do you honestly think that those people who are not exactly bosom buddies with Israel are thinking right now? 'Good for them standing up for themselves' perhaps. Or 'all those Muslim deaths are entirely justified.'

If Israel specifically wanted to increase the number of enemies that would do them actual harm, as opposed to simply not supporting them, then what they are doing right now is exactly the best method to attain that end.

Can no-one get this across to any of you, that there are two reasons for telling Israel to stop? One is the horrendous death toll (and why are you arguing against it if you don't think it's horrendous). And that concerns me because of simple basic humanity. And two, they are making things worse for themselves. And that concerns me because I support Israel.

Post October 7th didn't see any rise in hatred for Muslim or Palestinians....it did see an explosion in antisemitism, and generally support of Palestine, all before Israel began fighting back.

From their perspective, it's time to finish off this problem before the left becomes more radical.

 

[Bradskii]

Yes. You're exactly right about that. But some people seem to think their own ethical point of view is somehow "special" and should be protected, receiving diplomatic immunity from the same ascerbic scrutiny and deconstruction that they themselves like to dish out.

Well, mines special! I was going to expound, but we're off topic.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You were the one complaining about the 'methodology' of killing innocents. And I agree. Israel is using a completely different method.

And abortionists use another method. I think we all prefer certain methods and it's a weak point.

 

[Valletta]

What an incredibly naive statement. You are obviously aware of the backlash Israel is getting from its friends. What do you honestly think that those people who are not exactly bosom buddies with Israel are thinking right now? 'Good for them standing up for themselves' perhaps. Or 'all those Muslim deaths are entirely justified.'

If Israel specifically wanted to increase the number of enemies that would do them actual harm, as opposed to simply not supporting them, then what they are doing right now is exactly the best method to attain that end.

Can no-one get this across to any of you, that there are two reasons for telling Israel to stop? One is the horrendous death toll (and why are you arguing against it if you don't think it's horrendous). And that concerns me because of simple basic humanity. And two, they are making things worse for themselves. And that concerns me because I support Israel.

Showing weakness to jihadists is the worst thing that can be done. Joe Biden and Iran is a classic example. Trump did the opposite of Joe with the Taliban.

 

[Bradskii]

Showing weakness to jihadists is the worst thing that can be done. Joe Biden and Iran is a classic example. Trump did the opposite of Joe with the Taliban.

Showing strength and acting in a manner which encourages more of your enemies...Well, do you think that's the same thing.

 

[Valletta]

Showing strength and acting in a manner which encourages more of your enemies...Well, do you think that's the same thing.

62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president: poll

A majority of American voters say that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine had former President Trump still been in office, according to a new survey released …

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Letting an enemy know that you will respond with great force should they do something very often is enough. The Bush administration could have stopped Kuwait from invading Iraq, the White House had received the highest intelligence warning, but they failed to act. They could have prevented Sadaam form attacking had they told him the U.S. was ready to intervene. Trump would have acted and Putin knew it. Joe has allowed numerous attacks on our troops in the Mideast, some have received traumatic brain injuries, and without a decisive response the attacks continue. But Hamas is a cowardly and particularly fanatic enemy. Hamas must be destroyed because they will continue no matter what.

 

[durangodawood]

....Trump would have acted and Putin knew it.....

Putin was getting exactly what he wanted from Trump: USA pulling back from alliances into a go it alone posture. Trumps skepticism of NATO went way beyond funding disparities. No reason for Putin to jeopardize all that while USA in the process of withdrawal. With Biden, that process stopped cold. It was now or never time for Putin

Plus Trump would have been an utter idiot to get America into a direct hot conflict with Russia. And "No New Wars!" was one of the matras of his voting base. Hot war action was not going to happen. The resurgence of NATO, economic withdrawal from Russia, and support for Ukr that did happen was pretty massive under Biden and the other western leaders. Not sure what other additional action you were looking for.

 

[Vanellus]

The last, and possibly next, President of the USA spoke about commensurate response. We now find that many of us question if the IDF has not gone beyond a commensurate response.

The increase in support is caused in large part by the overly extreme violence meted out by Israel to the general population of Gaza

 

[truthpls]

First time I have seen genocide called love.

God is love. When He had to rid the world of extremely wicked people at times so that His plan of eternal life for man would not be stopped that was love and just and righteous. When a wicked unbelieving nation mass murders children that is evil.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You seem not to understand the difference between an explanation and a deflection. Maybe you need lots of practice.

Or you could stop deflecting and start explaining......just a suggestion........

 

[truthpls]

Jesus also loves the Hama fighters who murdered children and raped women. He loves the Israeli soldiers and the Israeli government making the the war on Hamas. I don't think he desires peace among all men.

Then you do not know Him

Yes and like the destruction of Jericho and the Amalekites. God himself destroyed babies.

There was a righteous reason. That has nothing to do with Israel today whatsoever

Yes the are living in unbelief as a nation. Yet there are still faithful Jews and Christians there. The Palestinians are very wicked.

You are not the judge and the many thousands of innocent children were not the wicked ones here.

We also know that the armies that attack Israel are completely wiped out.

Baloney! Only in the very end AFTER they accept Jesus!

And Jesus helps Israel do it.

Not now. Only after He returns when they believe.

I would say he's really the one that does it. So Israel enemies are the one that need to mind their ps and qs.

Nope. God will use them soon as the bible says. Israel loses big time. ONLY the direct return of God will save them in the end. Even then it will only be after they believe.

No it's true. That's all governments mandates. Israels government is meeting it's mandates as a government. Hamas is not.

No one has any mandate to kill innocents.

All children are born into wickedness. They come from the womb with lying lips. They are not innocent in God's eyes. That's why he wiped them out.

He gives them a chance before the age of decision many believe. But Israel already decided!

Okay with that said I don't feel it's right to specifically target babies and children. If you are walking up to babies and killing them like Hamas did with deliberance and a desire to specifically kill children then I don't support that in the least.

And I take the Israeli account with a grain of salt. But yes, terrorists that attack civilians are bad

And if Israel did the exact same thing I would be opposed to that methodology as well. But I am afraid I don't see it the same way. I won't explain it to you as it has been explained to you umpteen times. We will just have to disagree

The proof is in the pudding and a tree is known by it's fruit. The actions of Israel spoke loud and clear.

 

[truthpls]

'They're killing everyone!'
'But they said that God told them to'.
'Oh. My bad. Sorry to have interrupted'.

They lie. They call evil good.

 

[Valletta]

Israel continues to do a remarkable job in protecting civilians as they try to seek out the terrorists and free the hostages.

 

[Robban]

The increase in support is caused in large part by the overly extreme violence meted out by Israel to the general population of Gaza

Tomorrow Thursday 7/12 is the first day of Chanukah,

The festival of lights, celebration of miracles.

Maybe the penny will drop for more than a few.

In eight days a lot can happen.

 

[Bradskii]

Hamas must be destroyed because they will continue no matter what.

If you think that Hamas is the only enemy that Israel is going to have after this debacle and it will be an end to the violence then you're as foolish as the Israeli leadership

 

[Bradskii]

Or you could stop deflecting and start explaining......just a suggestion........

Well, you see that 'There are people who think that using quotes means that someone actually said what is within the quotes rather than it being used as a hypothetical and tongue in cheek example of a conversation highlighting a nonsensical position.'

 

[Bradskii]

They lie. They call evil good.

Saul and his army were lying? Where do you get this from?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not that I'm aware. And I'm not talking simply about the accuracy. You reject numbers complaining that they aren't that high. Why does the number matter?

Don't they always?

Surely you don't see the murder of 1 person as tragic as the murder of hundreds. I'll concede at a certain point it becomes hard to differentiate in the mind but let's not pretend that it doesn't matter.