Without mentioning Trump or Democracy, why do you support Joe Biden for President.

[The Barbarian]

For example, your chosen headline states that "Republicans complain [Biden] outsmarted them", but the text that you've chosen from the article doesn't even support that statement.

Well, let's take a look...

“Republicans got outsmarted by a President who can’t find his pants,” Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) tweeted on Tuesday

Sounds kinda bitter, doesn't she? She kinds sums up the republican dilemma. They can't decide if they want to portray Biden as senile or as fiendishly clever. He's neither, of course. Not the smartest president, just a lot smarter than the republicans in Congress.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Can you please state your support for President Biden’s re election without mentioning Trump or Democracy?

His policies and political stances most closely align to the ones I hold. He’s not my first choice or ideal candidate, but seeing as my first choice and ideal cannot serve more than 8 years, Biden will have to do.

That said, the Republican Party is deeply lost and I don’t see myself voting for any of them, unless they’re traditional conservatives or RINOs.

 

[The Barbarian]

. I can see why you'd want to ignore that as it flys in the face of your contention (and reality) that Biden is in top physical shape.

I see you're back to making up opinions and insisting others believe them.

Nope.

Yep. . You just made that up and pretended I said it. In fact, few people of Biden's age can be in "top physical shape." The point is, he's in much better physical shape than Donald Trump.

Which is a pretty low bar. One thing that keeps me from doing the kind of thing you did to yourself here, is when someone writes something that riles me, I stop answering for a bit, go play with the dog a while, and then come back and answer. Could save a lot of embarrassment in the future. Worth a try?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

While I don’t doubt Biden isn’t in “top” physical shape, I think he’s certainly in better shape than Trump. And, again, remembering I don’t dispute he’s not in top physical form, I don’t think falling going up carpeted stairs on a windy day (where others fell or almost fell as well) is indicative of anything. I’m certainly in better physical shape than either Trump or Biden and when God shows me my blooper reel after I die, most of it will be me falling up or down stairs. I tend to drag my heels so I’m forever tripping on stairs, especially if I’m wearing any sort of heeled shoes or clogs. In fact, I fell down a week ago because I was wearing Dansko kitchen clogs and the heel caught on the edge of the stair I was coming off of and I went down.

I’ve fallen so much that at work the safety person told me to stop taking the stairs and just use the elevator. He was tired of the paperwork.

I’m not infirm, just uncoordinated.

 

[Truth7t7]

A judge's decision. According to the law. I get that many of Trump's people don't respect the law. That's what the insurrection was about in the first place.

She could rule that he was part of the insurrection (which many of his followers admitted in court) and she could rule if he was qualified to be on the ballot in Colorado.

Donald J. Trump has not been charged and convicted of "insurrection" something that never took place

"Insurrection" is a claim and opinion, and President Donald J. Trump has never been convicted of such, In America it's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law

Liberal Judicial activism and Opinions are just that, and nothing more

 

[probinson]

Well, let's take a look...

“Republicans got outsmarted by a President who can’t find his pants,” Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) tweeted on Tuesday

Sounds kinda bitter, doesn't she? She kinds sums up the republican dilemma. They can't decide if they want to portray Biden as senile or as fiendishly clever. He's neither, of course. Not the smartest president, just a lot smarter than the republicans in Congress.

So a Republican tweeted that they felt they got "outsmarted" by Biden. Not sure that constitutes all "Republicans", but then no one expects objective reporting from the far-left HuffPo.

Maybe consider your media sources (and their biases) more carefully in the future.

 

[probinson]

The point is, he's in much better physical shape than Donald Trump.

That's not the point at all. The only one talking about Trump is you.

The point is that Biden can't even traverse stairs without falling down repeatedly. And have you ever watched that guy try to figure out how to get off the platform when he's done speaking? He looks like a little lost puppy.

 

[probinson]

While I don’t doubt Biden isn’t in “top” physical shape, I think he’s certainly in better shape than Trump.

You've fallen prey to Barbarian's diversion that this is somehow supposed to be a comparison to Trump. It's not. In fact, you'll note that the first three words of this thread title are Without mentioning Trump... something some people seem wholly incapable of doing when discussing Biden.

And, again, remembering I don’t dispute he’s not in top physical form, I don’t think falling going up carpeted stairs on a windy day (where others fell or almost fell as well) is indicative of anything.

He didn't just fall. He fell three times. In a row. It was pretty painful to watch.

I get that people stumble and it's not necessarily indicative of any physical problem, but when one says, "Trump can't even walk down a ramp" but then completely ignores that Biden can't even walk up the stairs, that's remarkably hypocritical.

I’m certainly in better physical shape than either Trump or Biden and when God shows me my blooper reel after I die, most of it will be me falling up or down stairs. I tend to drag my heels so I’m forever tripping on stairs, especially if I’m wearing any sort of heeled shoes or clogs. In fact, I fell down a week ago because I was wearing Dansko kitchen clogs and the heel caught on the edge of the stair I was coming off of and I went down.

I’ve fallen so much that at work the safety person told me to stop taking the stairs and just use the elevator. He was tired of the paperwork.

I’m not infirm, just uncoordinated.

You sound like my accident-prone sister. She finds new and creative ways to fall and hurt herself nearly every day.

 

[The Barbarian]

The point is, he's in much better physical shape than Donald Trump.

That's not the point at all.

Of course it is. We understand that you're not happy about being reminded. But that's the reality.

 

[The Barbarian]

And have you ever watched that guy try to figure out how to get off the platform when he's done speaking? He looks like a little lost puppy.

Yeah, pathetic...
The scenes aired Monday on Fox News as President Trump landed at Joint Base Andrews airfield. He is seen stepping off the plane and waving to a gathered crowd. However, when he reaches the bottom of the steps, he seems to miss his ride—parked directly in front of the jet—and walks off in a different direction. Maybe, like his alternative facts, he just prefers alternative routes? Trump is then redirected to his awaiting car by an aide.

The awkward moment went down sweeter than 4th of July apple pie on Twitter.

One person wrote: "The limo was RIGHT in front of him. All he had to do was walk in a straight line for 30 feet from the plane."

Watch: Donald Trump's Latest Problem? Finding His Ride

Maybe, like his alternative facts, he just prefers alternative routes?

www.newsweek.com

Morning Joe compiles all the times Trump awkwardly wandered away from an event​

President Trump awkwardly wandered away from a G-20 photo op before it was over, but it was hardly an isolated incident.

Morning Joe on Tuesday aired a montage of other times the president has just sort of meandered away from an event before it had actually wrapped up. This includes an instance when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was left standing by himself when Trump shuffled away from a press conference early. In another instance, Vice President Mike Pence had to turn Trump around while he was trying to leave before signing an executive order.

The most recent entry into the montage was a particularly odd moment at the G-20 summit this weekend, when Trump left a photo-op with Argentine President Mauricio Macri. He had apparently wandered off stage before a group photo was to be taken, and Trump seems to say off-camera, "Get me out of here," per Splinter.

Morning Joe compiles all the times Trump awkwardly wandered away from an event

The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week

theweek.com

 

[probinson]

The point is, he's in much better physical shape than Donald Trump.

Once again, the topic of this thread is Without mentioning Trump... , which I realize is an impossible feat for you.

But I think you're illustrating something very clearly with your incessant comparisons to Trump. The main reason most Democrats support Biden is not because he is a good candidate, but rather because he is not Trump. It's a classic "lesser of two evils" approach to politics. Your continual return to comparisons against Trump make it abundantly clear that you don't think Biden's accomplishments (whatever they are) can stand on their own merits.

Only a handful of people in this thread were able to actually do what the OP asked. Though I disagree with their contentions, I commend them for explaining why they supported Biden. But most people can't do that. You're demonstrating that in spades.

 

[probinson]

Yeah, pathetic...

See? Wholly incapable of acknowledging Biden's lost puppy moments without mentioning Trump.

 

[probinson]

Yeah, pathetic...

So here's a question that I have no doubt you'll completely ignore; If Trump is, to use your word, "pathetic" when he awkwardly wanders away, is Biden also "pathetic" in your eyes when he does the same thing?

 

[The Barbarian]

Donald J. Trump has not been charged and convicted of "insurrection" something that never took place

A judge already ruled on that. He was responsible for the insurrection. Many of his people charged in the insurrection admitted that they did it on his orders.

"Insurrection" is a claim and opinion,

"Terrorists" would be a better description?

An “insurrection,” by definition, is a “violent uprising against an authority or government.” It is clear that Capitol stormers who dissented against the election outcome, or even sought to obstruct Congress’ certification of the election, were rising up against the government. The crux of the contention among commentators, though, lies in whether the crowd was truly violent

What the History of the Word "Insurrection" Says About Jan. 6

The debate over whether to describe Jan. 6 as an "insurrection" is part of a fraught history over who controls the narrative in the U.S.

time.com

That question has been repeatedly answered by convictions of individual terrorists for violence during the insurrection:

Full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far, the sentences they are serving

Around 64 percent of those who have received sentences in relation to the January 6 uprising have been handed jail time.

www.newsweek.com

Notice all the convictions for violence. No point in denying the facts.

Liberal Judicial activism and Opinions are just that, and nothing more

Unfortunately for Trump and his followers, the rule of law is still the way we settle such criminal charges. A violent mob attempted to overturn an election by force. Many of them are now paying the price for their insurrection. More to come.
.

 

[The Barbarian]

So here's a question that I have no doubt you'll completely ignore; If Trump is, to use your word, "pathetic" when he awkwardly wanders away, is Biden also "pathetic" in your eyes when he does the same thing?

Biden did none of those things. As you have seen, wandering away is what Trump repeatedly did. But I understand how you would want to find anything Biden did that remotely resembled Trump's repeated mental lapses.

 

[The Barbarian]

So a Republican tweeted that they felt they got "outsmarted" by Biden.

Not just one. A number of them admitted that Biden outsmarted them. They went off-message because they were so upset about him so easily handling McCarthy that they blurted out the truth. It's not just McCarthy. As you know, Biden easily beat Trump in a series of debates.

Funny to see how they've been alternating between "Biden is senile" and "Biden keeps outsmarting us", sometimes (as you just saw) in the same sentence.

 

[probinson]

Biden did none of those things.

You're kidding, right? It's well documented that Biden has, on numerous occasions, looked lost or awkwardly wandered off stage. I'll post some examples later, which you'll no doubt completely ignore.

 

[The Barbarian]

Your list tells you nothing if you don't also look at the good side. Are the safe cities run by Republicans? No, they're not. Nearly all cities, good and bad, dangerous and safe, are run by Democrats. A city like Boston, for example, smokes red states on virtually every metric (except housing affordability). Why don't we use that as our benchmark?

The key is that the most dangerous cities for crime are, as you would expect, almost entirely in red states. After all, red states have higher rates of crime. Why would red state cities be any different?

 

[iluvatar5150]

The key is that the most dangerous cities for crime are, as you would expect, almost entirely in red states. After all, red states have higher rates of crime. Why would red state cities be any different?

eh... I think the dynamics are more complicated than that. Sure, it's a fine rebuttal to the equally-simplistic argument of "dem mayors bad", but idk... I'd rather understand things a little more deeply. Actually, it's not even a good rebuttal, because it just isn't true. California, Illinois, and Maryland are blue states. Michigan and Ohio are purple.

These lists are easy to game, too, by setting the population threshold wherever is most convenient. When I google "safest US cities," I get a bunch of hits with total populations less than 100k or even 50k people. Burlington, VT and Nashua, NH are both lovely (and also run by Dems btw), but trying to compare them in any meaningful way to, say, Baltimore is just stupid.

 

[probinson]

I'd rather understand things a little more deeply.

There are some people who are incapable of having any argument deeper than "RED STATE BAD! BLUE STATE GOOD!" They'll provide "data" to prove that. But as you've astutely pointed out, that data is quite easy to game to make it say whatever you want it to say.

Unfortunately, this forum is not generally conducive to deeper more nuanced conversations.