Jordan Peterson

[linux.poet]

Oh forgive me I should have helped you with that. I actually started a blog on CF.com of such terms and definitions and I reckon I need to expand on it.

No worries. In the future I will consult your blog before bothering you, and if it is not there I will make an inquiry as to the definition.

By the way, i have a vast library of ebooks in the public domain which I have downloaded, which consist of Patristic material and so on, which I would be happy to share.

I would appreciate it if you would share it with me. I'm always happy to learn.

 

[The Liturgist]

No worries. In the future I will consult your blog before bothering you, and if it is not there I will make an inquiry as to the definition.

I would appreciate it if you would share it with me. I'm always happy to learn.

I’ve neglected my blog due to poor health so it is not systematic … yet.

By the way I am a systems programmer / embedded os developer and I do a lot of work with Linux. I’d love to talk computing with you at some point.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The realization that all paths lead to Christ.

What do you mean by this ??

I ventured into Buddhism and it didn't lead to Christ...

 

[stevevw]

What do you mean by this ??

I ventured into Buddhism and it didn't lead to Christ...

lol Iv'e ventured into some paths that led me up the garden and beyond.

What I mean is that Peterson has a way of explaining the good reasoning behind why all aspects of life lead to Christ being the key. Psychologically, socially, theologically, morally, physically and especially through our experience.

I am not sure why Peterson has evolved to incorporate Judeo-Christian belief. But it seems that for him no matter which way you look at it everything comes back to religious belief as seen in our history. Behind the human condition and striving for overcoming suffering and becoming better people is inherent in religious belief and is best understood in the Judeo-Christian belief and Christ.

He has a way of explaining how in practical and philosophical terms even to some extent in scientific terms as behaviour, our choices have a great effect on things is linked to these stories we tell each other especially the BIble from very early in our past. Almost as though we reject the truth of God to our peril.

 

[The Liturgist]

lol Iv'e ventured into some paths that led me up the garden and beyond.

Respectfully, that statement is at odds with the Scripture, Tradition and Experience of the church and is also contrary to a Reasonable explanation of the same (thus violating the Welseyan Quadrilateral and the Anglican Tripod and the principles of the Orthodox and Catholic churches and also of Lutheranism and Calvinism). All evidence suggests that Buddhism has led many Christians to spiritual disaster, and the same is true with every other non-Christian cult.

 

[stevevw]

Respectfully, that statement is at odds with the Scripture, Tradition and Experience of the church and is also contrary to a Reasonable explanation of the same (thus violating the Welseyan Quadrilateral and the Anglican Tripod and the principles of the Orthodox and Catholic churches and also of Lutheranism and Calvinism). All evidence suggests that Buddhism has led many Christians to spiritual disaster, and the same is true with every other non-Christian cult.

LOl I wasn't saying I went down the Buddist path. I was speaking about the paths I took before being a Christian lol. That is why I referred to "beyond" the garden path because some were dark places, unhealthy physically, mentally and spiritually.

You may not understand Australian Lingo. Being taken up the garden path or going up the garden path is a metaphor for being led astray or going astray. I think in terms of getting lost in the garden or jungle of life.

 

[The Liturgist]

LOl I wasn't saying I went down the Buddist path. I was speaking about the paths I took before being a Christian lol. That is why I referred to "beyond" the garden path because some were dark places, unhealthy physically, mentally and spiritually.

You may not understand Australian Lingo. Being taken up the garden path or going up the garden path is a metaphor for being led astray or going astray. I think in terms of getting lost in the garden or jungle of life.

Oh forgive me, you are quite right. While I do know a reasonable amount of Aussie dialect, I am far from being “Fair dinkum” as they used to say (perhaps they still do) and my attempts at using the dialect tend to go all pear shaped. Also contact with Kiwis like @Carl Emerson causes even more confusing because their vowel shift is different from the Aussie vowel shift.

 

[All Becomes New]

This is true. It is possible that Peterson believes the Gospel, but that he is afraid to confess it because it could alienate his followers. He probably doesn't want to emotionally hurt them in any way. However, Peterson's dedication to honesty and his willingness to buck public opinion for the sake of it before suggests that he is still struggling and being very honest about it.

"Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge me before others, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before others, I will also deny him before my Father in heaven. Don’t assume that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:32-34)

 

[iluvatar5150]

The little bit I've heard of Peterson's work was so laughably bad, it was hard to believe anybody would take him seriously. His pedigree is such that I would assume he's a bright fellow and a decent academic when he's focused on psychology research, but mass-market stuff of his I've seen is ridiculous and could be easily torn apart by anybody with a couple of brain cells.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Who is he? Is this the gentleman from England who holds conservative views?

 

[All Becomes New]

Who is he? Is this the gentleman from England who holds conservative views?

No. He is a Canadian. This video is how came into his rise to fame.

 

[linux.poet]

"Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge me before others, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before others, I will also deny him before my Father in heaven. Don’t assume that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:32-34)

And what about the guy who does neither?

I'm not seeing acknowledgement or denial on the part of Peterson, but only waffles. Whether they are the tasty Belgian waffles that lead to repentance and faith or the cardboard Eggo waffles of mere intellectual play remains to be seen. It is rather pointless to engage in speculations, as they are a waste of mental energy.

 

[All Becomes New]

And what about the guy who does neither?

I'm not seeing acknowledgement or denial on the part of Peterson, but only waffles. Whether they are the tasty Belgian waffles that lead to repentance and faith or the cardboard Eggo waffles of mere intellectual play remains to be seen. It is rather pointless to engage in speculations, as they are a waste of mental energy.

If someone does not acknowledge Christ, then they are not living publically for Him. A waffle does not mean he is saved.

"If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Peterson has not confessed with His mouth that Jesus is Lord, so he is not saved.

 

[The Liturgist]

No. He is a Canadian. This video is how came into his rise to fame.

The trans-sexual person who is heckling him is astonishingly rude, and to me this underscores the need for gender dysphoria to not be accommodated but rather to be treated as a mental health condition, with medication, cognitive behavioral therapy and so on, in the same way we treat schizophrenia and psychosis.

 

[Carl Emerson]

What I mean is that Peterson has a way of explaining the good reasoning behind why all aspects of life lead to Christ being the key. Psychologically, socially, theologically, morally, physically and especially through our experience.

This is what makes me really uncomfortable.

On the one hand Paul says

1 Cor 9:
21 to those who are without the Law, I became as one without the Law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might gain those who are without the Law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become all things to all people, so that I may by all means save some. 23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

So we should tolerate whatever approach we see being taken to share the Gospel...

But wait - Jordan does not share the Gospel.

Listen to this...

Jordan is presenting a case for the betterment of society by following Judeo Christian principles.

While this may help society, it will not save souls.

Satan does not care what we do as long as souls are not being saved.

What we end up with is a throng of followers that find justification for dismissing the Gospel in favour of principles.

The end result is a sophisticated humanitarianism with a religious cloak.

Meantime no angels rejoice because no one came to repentance.

 

[The Liturgist]

If someone does not acknowledge Christ, then they are not living publically for Him. A waffle does not mean he is saved.

"If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Peterson has not confessed with His mouth that Jesus is Lord, so he is not saved.

Well we don’t know that for sure. Also Christ our True God did reserve the right to save people arbitrarily, declaring “I will have mercy on who I will have mercy.” However, he did outline a path to salvation for us, which consists of faith in Him, being baptized into His church (this grafts us onto the Body of Christ according to the First Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians), partaking of His body and blood in Holy Communion with thanksgiving (the Eucharist), while forgiving others for their trespasses against us and then asking for forgiveness having done that, and to repent of our sins, and finally, to learn to pray without ceasing and to pursue perfection, with the goal being to be perfect even as the Father in Heaven is perfect.

 

[The Liturgist]

This is what makes me really uncomfortable.

On the one hand Paul says

1 Cor 9:
21 to those who are without the Law, I became as one without the Law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might gain those who are without the Law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become all things to all people, so that I may by all means save some. 23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

So we should tolerate whatever approach we see being taken to share the Gospel...

But wait - Jordan does not share the Gospel.

Listen to this...

Jordan is presenting a case for the betterment of society by following Judeo Christian principles.

While this may help society, it will not save souls.

Satan does not care what we do as long as souls are not being saved.

What we end up with is a throng of followers that find justification for dismissing the Gospel in favour of principles.

The end result is a sophisticated humanitarianism with a religious cloak.

Meantime no angels rejoice because no one came to repentance.

Well lets see if you can book him, because maybe we can persuade him of the Gospel. Right now his views appear based on your description to be almost exactly analogous to those of Thomas Jefferson, who regarded our Lord as merely the greatest philosopher. He dared to presume the Native Americans would reject the Gospel because of its accounts of miracles, and so, to faciltate their conversion, constructed his own Gospel Harmony* from which he then deleted everything of a miraculous or supernatural nature, which he regarded as corruptions attributable to “priestcraft”,**. Needless to say his literal cut-and-paste “Jefferson Bible” was not successful for its original intent.

Later the Jefferson Bible was given to all newly elected members of Congress, starting in the 1890s and continuing for a few decades into the 20th century, in an example of the American secondary civic religion.

*A Gospel Harmony is a book that merges all four Gospels together so as to ruin them, as one would ruin New England clam chowder, Bavarian cheese soup with wild mushrooms, Split Pea soup and Cream of Chicken by mixing them together into a nightmarish soup of doom, or alternately, perform all four operas from Wagner’s Ring Cycle concurrently in the same concert hall, slowing them down and speeding them up so that they would be of the same length; the Diatessaron of Tatian is an early second century example composed by the Syrian church leader in Syriac before he apostasized and formed a Gnostic cult in the Syrian Gnostic tradition of Bardasanes, Severian (not to be confused with the fifth century Mor Severus of Antioch) and the Ophites.

** This is a term I find extremely offensive (for the word priest is merely an Anglicization of the word Presbyter, used in the New Testament to refer to Christian ministers, which confusingly in some early Bible editions was used instead to refer to the Kohanim of ancient Judaism and to the ancient Pagan religious leaders and the equivalent Greco-Roman religious office of the Hierus (also the word Magus originally referred to a hereditary Zoroastrian Hierus,, similiar to the Pandits or Brahmins of Hinduism), the word being a Hellenization of the ancient Persian word mobed, which is the proper title for Zoroastrian clergy.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Ok - help me understand -

He is not a Christian.
He does not claim to be a Christian
He is not trying to stop Christianity

So, why is this such a major issue? Don't we have bigger things to complain about?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Right now his views appear based on your description to be almost exactly analogous to those of Thomas Jefferson, who regarded our Lord as merely the greatest philosopher.

That is exactly the position I took in my late teens - afraid of total commitment to Jesus - envisioning the result would be being a ragged barefooted prophetic figure on the street. I embraced the principles of Jesus but avoided letting Him take over my life.

What I didn't know was that full surrender results in a more orderly life - not chaos.

For the record I registered as a conscientious objector during the Vietnam war and won my case before a military tribunal on moral grounds siting the principles of Jesus.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Ok - help me understand -

He is not a Christian.
He does not claim to be a Christian
He is not trying to stop Christianity

So, why is this such a major issue? Don't we have bigger things to complain about?

My post #155 spells it out...