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So celibacy and chastity are a perversion? St. Paul was a pervert because he was unmarried, and he advocated perversion when he offered as advice for the Faithful to remain unmarried. Got it.



Which is why the biblical patriarchs and kings famously were monogamous. Solomon and his 300 wives and 700 concubines was a shining example of monogamy.

I think you should be more honest with yourself, that you are defending any biblical principle or moral, you just don't like queer people.

I'm a cis straight male. I've never had any serious doubts about who or what I am. But as far as my masculinity and heterosexuality is concerned, back in the late 90's and throughout the early-mid 2000s I had friends who constantly told me I wasn't a "real man" because I was in touch with my emotions and didn't sleep around. I didn't pursue women just to "get laid", I wanted a serious, long term relationship. And when romance wasn't on the table, I could maintain long term platonic friendships with women. As a result I was bombarded with being called "gay" and had the F-slur thrown at me frequently.

I didn't meet their expectations of what a "man" should be. I was raised with certain values about how to treat people, I looked at the Scriptures--to Christ--about how I should treat others, and to be introspective about my intentions, to "hold every thought captive" as St. Paul says. That my feelings and thoughts might betray me, and to tread carefully. I was never into sports, I was never athletic. I was into dinosaurs and video games as a child. I know nothing about cars, or how to fix broken pipes in my house. I don't relate with "macho" things very well.

As such while I've always had a clear view of what being a man meant for me, it has clashed consistently with what "being a man" means in the minds of many. As such, I've had my masculinity and manhood, my straight sexual orientation challenged and denied throughout much of my life.

These days, that's less of an issue. Largely because those friends, the ones I still call friends anyway, have matured. Others, well they aren't really my friends anymore. And it is bad enough when I faced this kind of nonsense from those outside of the Church, but it was worse when I faced this nonsense from within the Church.

Here, in the Church, we are supposed to regard Christ as King and Lord; and His way as the way above all other ways.

Perhaps you've read this and haven't seen my point in saying this entirely. So let's be clear: My gender and identity were frequently challenged and ridiculed because I didn't conform to what some people believed being "a straight man" entailed. I couldn't "be a man" if I wasn't objectifying women and solely interested in sexual conquests. I wasn't "straight" if I had meaningful friendships with women, or if I talked about my feelings. Others wanted to project their view of gender onto me. I'm a cis-male, my biological sex is male, and I identify as a man. I'm straight, I am romantically and sexually attracted to women. And even still I didn't meet certain expectations of my peers, I didn't conform to certain societal expectations. I didn't conform, and so I was attacked, ridiculed, belittled.

I identified as a man, but I was being told I wasn't one. My biological sex (male) wasn't being called into question. My gender, my male-ness, was.

-CryptoLutheran
Here is a Christian man who gets it.

The fact is that even a LOT of Christians have incredibly antiquated and VERY unhealthy ideas of what it means to "be a man". Strange that they want to protect something that can be very toxic even though they are all our very own inventions. I am ALMOST exactly like you Crypto. I tend to not have all the "machismo" characteristics of being a man.


And I have the sneaking suspicion that the deeper into a socialized gender construct, the harder it is for people to accept alternate genders or even the idea that gender is nonbinary.
 
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I appreciate your boundaries.
There are, of course, thousands of different medical conditions that children can fall victim to and many of them don't have books directed at their exact medical condition.
But I ALSO know that there are not many medical conditions where other people are telling the child "You're fine. There's nothing wrong with you. You are being indoctrinated into thinking something is 'wrong' with you". Nobody is going to say that to a child with multiple schlerosis.
Christian Scientists - ironically named.
 
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Christian Scientists - ironically named.
Not really. I went to a Christian university and all my science professors were Christians. VERY intelligent and respected men and women who practice science just as well as their secular peers.
Katherine Hayhoe, the current leader in media messaging for scientists on global warming, she's a christian as well. She's awesome.

I understand why you'd say that though....
 
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Not really. I went to a Christian university and all my science professors were Christians. VERY intelligent and respected men and women who practice science just as well as their secular peers.
Katherine Hayhoe, the current leader in media messaging for scientists on global warming, she's a christian as well. She's awesome.

I understand why you'd say that though....
There is a sect of Christians known as "Christian Scientists" : Christian Science - Wikipedia

What is ironic is that for calling their metaphysics "science" when it really is kind of a mind-over-matter deal -- traditionally, they eschewed medicine, for example. I don't know their current stance is.
 
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Not really. I went to a Christian university and all my science professors were Christians. VERY intelligent and respected men and women who practice science just as well as their secular peers.
Katherine Hayhoe, the current leader in media messaging for scientists on global warming, she's a christian as well. She's awesome.

I understand why you'd say that though....
^_^ Yeah, I don't mean scientists who happen to be Christian, but the eponymous sect @Tinker Grey linked to above. They still eschew medicine and its so-called "germ theory" of disease.
 
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^_^ Yeah, I don't mean scientists who happen to be Christian, but the eponymous sect @Tinker Grey linked to above. They still eschew medicine and its so-called "germ theory" of disease.
AHHHHH!!! Okay. Sorry. I didn't catch that. I had a BIIIIIT of a feeling since both words were capitalized but....I get a bit sensitive at the idea that christians (or nonchristians hold) that you can't be a christian and trust in the work of science.
 
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AHHHHH!!! Okay. Sorry. I didn't catch that. I had a BIIIIIT of a feeling since both words were capitalized but....I get a bit sensitive at the idea that christians (or nonchristians hold) that you can't be a christian and trust in the work of science.
That's a notion harmful to Christians, scientists and the intersection of the two.
 
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There is a sect of Christians known as "Christian Scientists" : Christian Science - Wikipedia

What is ironic is that for calling their metaphysics "science" when it really is kind of a mind-over-matter deal -- traditionally, they eschewed medicine, for example. I don't know their current stance is.
Muppet creator Jim Henson was CS and it ended up killing him as he wouldn’t go to a medical doctor to treat (pneumonia, I think).
 
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Asexuality is a gender
I believe many would say that's a sexual orientation.
If gender is a social construct, once you become aware of that, and IF YOU DESIRE TO DO SO, you are able to control what kind of effect it has on you and how you choose to negotiate that.
And it's supposed to be a good idea to train little kids to do that.
 
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Well then why would you think that gender roles have anything to do with anything Biblical or ordained by God?
Because of how God addresses those issues in the bible.
Is it biblical that Masai girls are circumsized between 11 and 13? Or that they subordinate to their husbands and cannot divorce?
No. So I don't see why you brought it up.
 
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Because of how God addresses those issues in the bible.

No. So I don't see why you brought it up.
So....is your argument that God only addresses issues for judeaochriatian cultures?
 
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I believe many would say that's a sexual orientation.
And those people would be correct.
And it's supposed to be a good idea to train little kids to do that.
Any link to a curriculum that explicitly says that. I would feel uncomfortable if it was outlined in a curriculum for younger kids at least. But there has been a LOt of misrepresentation and lies about what is actually represented in official documents.
 
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So celibacy and chastity are a perversion? St. Paul was a pervert because he was unmarried, and he advocated perversion when he offered as advice for the Faithful to remain unmarried. Got it.



Which is why the biblical patriarchs and kings famously were monogamous. Solomon and his 300 wives and 700 concubines was a shining example of monogamy.

I think you should be more honest with yourself, that you are defending any biblical principle or moral, you just don't like queer people.

I'm a cis straight male. I've never had any serious doubts about who or what I am. But as far as my masculinity and heterosexuality is concerned, back in the late 90's and throughout the early-mid 2000s I had friends who constantly told me I wasn't a "real man" because I was in touch with my emotions and didn't sleep around. I didn't pursue women just to "get laid", I wanted a serious, long term relationship. And when romance wasn't on the table, I could maintain long term platonic friendships with women. As a result I was bombarded with being called "gay" and had the F-slur thrown at me frequently.

I didn't meet their expectations of what a "man" should be. I was raised with certain values about how to treat people, I looked at the Scriptures--to Christ--about how I should treat others, and to be introspective about my intentions, to "hold every thought captive" as St. Paul says. That my feelings and thoughts might betray me, and to tread carefully. I was never into sports, I was never athletic. I was into dinosaurs and video games as a child. I know nothing about cars, or how to fix broken pipes in my house. I don't relate with "macho" things very well.

As such while I've always had a clear view of what being a man meant for me, it has clashed consistently with what "being a man" means in the minds of many. As such, I've had my masculinity and manhood, my straight sexual orientation challenged and denied throughout much of my life.

These days, that's less of an issue. Largely because those friends, the ones I still call friends anyway, have matured. Others, well they aren't really my friends anymore. And it is bad enough when I faced this kind of nonsense from those outside of the Church, but it was worse when I faced this nonsense from within the Church.

Here, in the Church, we are supposed to regard Christ as King and Lord; and His way as the way above all other ways.

Perhaps you've read this and haven't seen my point in saying this entirely. So let's be clear: My gender and identity were frequently challenged and ridiculed because I didn't conform to what some people believed being "a straight man" entailed. I couldn't "be a man" if I wasn't objectifying women and solely interested in sexual conquests. I wasn't "straight" if I had meaningful friendships with women, or if I talked about my feelings. Others wanted to project their view of gender onto me. I'm a cis-male, my biological sex is male, and I identify as a man. I'm straight, I am romantically and sexually attracted to women. And even still I didn't meet certain expectations of my peers, I didn't conform to certain societal expectations. I didn't conform, and so I was attacked, ridiculed, belittled.

I identified as a man, but I was being told I wasn't one. My biological sex (male) wasn't being called into question. My gender, my male-ness, was.

-CryptoLutheran
Jesus himself was celibate and never married. And he explained why some people are perpetually clebate and unmarried. It's noteworthy that both Jesus and Paul both went out of their way so to speak to address that situation and obviously made it clear that it was alright, but never included anything else sexual outside of marriage between a man and a woman as being alright. Quite the contrary in fact.

Old testament scripture cites several improper sexual unions. Citing what transpired doesn't equate to saying it was alight.

When you were a little child adults weren't teaching you that you could identify as anything you wanted to in regards to multiple sexual orientations and multiple genders which crisscross and overlap. And such wasn't ubiquitously celebrated, promoted and encouraged. It wasn't part of your elementary school curriculum, nor in the children's section of the public library, nor promoted in children's cartoons and toys. It wasn't taught to and marketed to little children. And it makes no sense in my opinion for a Christian to be onboard with all of that. In my opinion that equates to a Christian being yoked together with the ungodly world.
 
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And those people would be correct.
But you said it was a gender.
Any link to a curriculum that explicitly says that. I would feel uncomfortable if it was outlined in a curriculum for younger kids at least. But there has been a LOt of misrepresentation and lies about what is actually represented in official documents.
Take your pick:

 
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So....is your argument that God only addresses issues for judeaochriatian cultures?
As a Christian my argument is that what the one and only true God YHWH wants regarding mankind, is stipulated in old and new testament scripture. Do you have a counter argument to that?
 
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There is a sect of Christians known as "Christian Scientists" : Christian Science - Wikipedia

What is ironic is that for calling their metaphysics "science" when it really is kind of a mind-over-matter deal -- traditionally, they eschewed medicine, for example. I don't know their current stance is.
Such a cult is "Christian" in name only.
 
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Yeah, it’s pretty cool that there really are fish that do change their sex in adulthood.
What occurs in fish is a natural biological process, whereas sexual reassignment in humans is achieved through forced artificial means via inserting chemicals and performing invasive surgery. Therefore you are using a false equivalency.
 
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As a Christian my argument is that what the one and only true God YHWH wants regarding mankind, is stipulated in old and new testament scripture. Do you have a counter argument to that?
No sorry.
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Then what are you getting at with "Is it biblical that Masai girls are circumsized between 11 and 13? Or that they subordinate to their husbands and cannot divorce?" and "So....is your argument that God only addresses issues for judeaochriatian cultures?"
 
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