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Hold on, I haven't caught up on all of the other questions you've asked.
Take your time. I understand compiling evidence, obtaining specific information and double checking it for accuracy can take a while. I'll be here when you're ready.

-- A2SG, I brought a book, just in case......
 
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Take your time. I understand compiling evidence, obtaining specific information and double checking it for accuracy can take a while. I'll be here when you're ready.

-- A2SG, I brought a book, just in case......
Does it have lots of pictures?
 
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Does it have lots of pictures?
Nope. Just text. But I can probably scrounge up an old issue of Teen Titans around here somewhere....

-- A2SG, love that Mad Mod.....
 
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Nope being transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary etc is now a part of the curriculum. It's gone too far to deny it any longer, you need to move into the "so what?" position.
"Being transgender....is now part of the curriculum"

Honestly I don't even understand what you're saying.


I'll just step away from this discussion cause you aren't contributing new ideas or information so i cant learn from you.
 
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"Being transgender....is now part of the curriculum"

Honestly I don't even understand what you're saying.


I'll just step away from this discussion cause you aren't contributing new ideas or information so i cant learn from you.
Kids are told people are whatever they identify as. And then they're introduced to a kelidescope of different genders and orientations they can identify as. There's whole long list of various combinations. I've seen that from sources that promote transgenderism. Directly from the horse's mouth as they say.

But a lot of people who support transgenderism being taught in schools, don't ever bother really looking into it. They blindly support it because they've been told it's wrong not to support it.
 
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I'm going by what I see on the news on a regular basis. And of course I haven't been compiling evidence in the process. This is a situation where someone is giving their opinion based on observation, and the other person denies it's happening and then demands a bunch of proof, which he most likely knows the person hasn't complied, and probably isn't going to start laboring on that, while claiming it can be done with the wave of a hand. This is a really common and trite tactic.
Yeah, the old “provide evidence” tactic. Gets them every time.
 
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Yeah, the old “provide evidence” tactic. Gets them every time.
Provide evidence means 'go on a google hunt for articles that I'll say are no good'. I think most of us have been doing this long enough to know how that silly little game works.
 
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Provide evidence means 'go on a google hunt for articles that I'll say are no good'.
So you're admitting that you will say anything produced is no good without even considering it, eh? At least, when you look for your own evidence you might wind up educating yourself, if no one else (happens to me a lot).

I think most of us have been doing this long enough to know how that silly little game works.
Evidence, quality, credible evidence is now a silly game to you? Has it always been or only when you don't have any decent?
 
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Most teachers I know MIGHT read three or four of these books outside of pride week. I teach in a K-9. I have children 9 and 14. My younger goes to to a christian school and my elder does not. Neither of them have been "forced to" or frankly been offered to read any of the books you folks seem to feel are in mass hysteria mode across all of society.

I have little idea what is informing this opinion but it runs 100% counter to every teacher I know.
I'm talking about book series that I read to my son outside of school, that are about dragons and robots and the like, suddenly in the last 1-2 years having trans characters. It seems like every single series. And because the series isn't explicitly about gender identity (unlike, say, "George" by Alex Gino), and there hasn't been anything like this in the series prior, it takes us by surprise.

I understand inclusivity and wanting children to see themselves in literature, but this feels like a trend or maybe deliberate provocation. There are plenty of conditions and experiences that children have that are not well-represented in children's literature.
 
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So you're admitting that you will say anything produced is no good without even considering it, eh? At least, when you look for your own evidence you might wind up educating yourself, if no one else (happens to me a lot).
There's also the ridiculous badly distort what someone says game.
Evidence, quality, credible evidence is now a silly game to you? Has it always been or only when you don't have any decent?
One of the most effective ways to establish a lack of credibility is to purposely distort what someone said. And then to score extra negative points, follow that up with a loaded question.
 
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I'm talking about book series that I read to my son outside of school, that are about dragons and robots and the like, suddenly in the last 1-2 years having trans characters. It seems like every single series. And because the series isn't explicitly about gender identity (unlike, say, "George" by Alex Gino), and there hasn't been anything like this in the series prior, it takes us by surprise.

I understand inclusivity and wanting children to see themselves in literature, but this feels like a trend or maybe deliberate provocation. There are plenty of conditions and experiences that children have that are not well-represented in children's literature.
Of course when the number of kids who identify as trans et al continues to increase, the claim will be that adults who fed them all that, made 6 year olds feel safe to come out of the closet as genderfluid nonbinary pansexuals etc.
 
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Of course when the number of kids who identify as trans et al continues to increase, the claim will be that adults who fed them all that, made 6 year olds feel safe to come out of the closet as genderfluid nonbinary pansexuals etc.
And these developments are “bad”?
Why?
 
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I'm talking about book series that I read to my son outside of school, that are about dragons and robots and the like, suddenly in the last 1-2 years having trans characters. It seems like every single series. And because the series isn't explicitly about gender identity (unlike, say, "George" by Alex Gino), and there hasn't been anything like this in the series prior, it takes us by surprise.

I understand inclusivity and wanting children to see themselves in literature, but this feels like a trend or maybe deliberate provocation.
Provocation? Why would they want to want to provoke a negative response?

I also have read the books with kids and I haven't seen that happen in a single book yet. Are you saying it's happenning in EVERY book or something?

There are plenty of conditions and experiences that children have that are not well-represented in children's literature.
1) 10 years ago there were, I'd wager, approximately 0 books that included trans kids.
I'm curious about which group you think are underrepresented. My school library is...intense. We have books for most cultural groups; books about deaf kids and numerous disabilities. I can't really think about anything missing.
 
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I also have read the books with kids and I haven't seen that happen in a single book yet. Are you saying it's happenning in EVERY book or something?
No, of course not every book. But just off the top of my head, I know that Dragon Masters recently had a nonbinary character, and the latest Wild Robot book that just came out (#3) has a fish that changes gender and a whole digression about how the robot main character isn't really female but is "programmed" to feel that way ... I'm sure there are others. As I said in an earlier comment, these led to some unexpected and challenging conversations at bedtime ...
I'm curious about which group you think are underrepresented. My school library is...intense. We have books for most cultural groups; books about deaf kids and numerous disabilities. I can't really think about anything missing.
My son spent a lot of his early life visiting doctors and having procedures and hospital stays. In trying to find books to help him process those experiences, I discovered that while there were picture books about hospital stays (broken limbs, maybe a tonsillectomy), there wasn't anything relevant to his medical conditions and the sort of procedures he was undergoing. I spent hours searching the web, asked librarians, etc. It was very frustrating. I don't want to go into the specifics of his medical conditions here.
 
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No, of course not every book. But just off the top of my head, I know that Dragon Masters recently had a nonbinary character, and the latest Wild Robot book that just came out (#3) has a fish that changes gender and a whole digression about how the robot main character isn't really female but is "programmed" to feel that way ... I'm sure there are others. As I said in an earlier comment, these led to some unexpected and challenging conversations at bedtime ...

My son spent a lot of his early life visiting doctors and having procedures and hospital stays. In trying to find books to help him process those experiences, I discovered that while there were picture books about hospital stays (broken limbs, maybe a tonsillectomy), there wasn't anything relevant to his medical conditions and the sort of procedures he was undergoing. I spent hours searching the web, asked librarians, etc. It was very frustrating. I don't want to go into the specifics of his medical conditions here.
Just wanted to point out that fish changing gender is a not uncommon occurrence. Also robot characters being programmed to feel a certain way is a common sci Fi trope.
 
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My son spent a lot of his early life visiting doctors and having procedures and hospital stays. In trying to find books to help him process those experiences, I discovered that while there were picture books about hospital stays (broken limbs, maybe a tonsillectomy), there wasn't anything relevant to his medical conditions and the sort of procedures he was undergoing. I spent hours searching the web, asked librarians, etc. It was very frustrating. I don't want to go into the specifics of his medical conditions here.
I appreciate your boundaries.
There are, of course, thousands of different medical conditions that children can fall victim to and many of them don't have books directed at their exact medical condition.
But I ALSO know that there are not many medical conditions where other people are telling the child "You're fine. There's nothing wrong with you. You are being indoctrinated into thinking something is 'wrong' with you". Nobody is going to say that to a child with multiple schlerosis.
 
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Just wanted to point out that fish changing gender is a not uncommon occurrence. Also robot characters being programmed to feel a certain way is a common sci Fi trope.
I am aware. There are all sorts of interesting things like that in the natural world, and I don't have a problem with it being in a children's book. The way it was presented in this case was very didactic and didn't seem to arise naturally from the storyline.
 
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I appreciate your boundaries.
There are, of course, thousands of different medical conditions that children can fall victim to and many of them don't have books directed at their exact medical condition.
I wasn't looking for something directed at his exact condition(s). Just something for kids going through medical stuff that went beyond a broken limb or a tonsillectomy.
But I ALSO know that there are not many medical conditions where other people are telling the child "You're fine. There's nothing wrong with you. You are being indoctrinated into thinking something is 'wrong' with you". Nobody is going to say that to a child with multiple schlerosis.
I've had people ask me, "What's wrong with him?" in front of my son, so I'm not sure that's true. But you're correct that most medical conditions haven't been politicized in the same way as being transgender. But also, with most medical conditions, you don't run the risk of a child getting confused and seeking out surgery because they think they have it.

I'm actually not against children's books having trans characters, but I do have reservations about the way it's being done and some of the messaging kids might be getting. I think our current society tends to be very reactive and to go to extremes.
 
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I wasn't looking for something directed at his exact condition(s). Just something for kids going through medical stuff that went beyond a broken limb or a tonsillectomy.
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I'm not sure when your little man had his issues but I can see that there are books about long term hospital stays nowadays. That's a good thing! I'm really sorry he didn't have something like that back then.

Honestly, I think this whole movement has been a healthy one; that children's literature has begun to see the importance of normalizing things that some kids may have questions about. I like it! I don't mean to be too intrusive and feel free to put me in my place but, how long ago was your experience?
I've had people ask me, "What's wrong with him?" in front of my son, so I'm not sure that's true. But you're correct that most medical conditions haven't been politicized in the same way as being transgender. But also, with most medical conditions, you don't run the risk of a child getting confused and seeking out surgery because they think they have it.
But I hope you understand that is absolutely not happenning. Doctors don't do surgeries to kids who are "just confused". Never ever ever. As far as I know the Dutch Protocol is the recommended treatment when someone presents with a desire to be transgender. It involves a sizeable amount of psychological support and investigation to ensure that a child is not MERELY "confused".

I'm actually not against children's books having trans characters, but I do have reservations about the way it's being done and some of the messaging kids might be getting. I think our current society tends to be very reactive and to go to extremes.
As I said, I haven't seen much in the way of significant encroachment but as soon as I see it in his books, I'll belly up and see how it's being portrayed.
 
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