Would you marry a woman who was a former stripper or X-rated star if she turned into a Christian ?

[Presbyterian Continuist]

How can we expect Jesus to forgive our past mistakes if we don't do the same with others? Aren't we called to follow into Jesus footsteps? To live as he lived, and love as he loved?

“I, even I, am he who blots out​

your transgressions, for my own sake,​

and remembers your sins no more.​

Isaiah 43:25​

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Jesus not only forgives us, but welcomes us into a relationship with him, into his ministry. He doesn't say things like "hey yes i forgive you but i wouldn't want to be around you" or "you're not the kind of person i want to have in my ministry" so... yeah. I myself, as a woman, wouldn't want other men to judge me for my past sins, ESPECIALLY if I have repented and I'm converted. If Jesus doesn't treat me like that, why would you, also a sinner, do the same? The devil looooves to convince people that some sins are bigger than others, but that's just a lie. To God, all sins are the same, that's why he has the grace to forgive any kind of sin. You are a pedophile? If you repent and seek him out, God will forgive you. You lied to your mother about something serious? God will forgive that too, and have a place for you in heaven.

Denying this is denying Jesus's nature and the fact that he "makes all things new"

“Therefore if ANY man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17)

She is no longer a stripper. She was born anew, she is a new creature.

Agreed. It is a shame that many professing Christians, even church leaders have little knowledge of what a new creature is all about, and so they discriminate against a woman based on her past and give no acknowledgment of her conversion to Christ. Isn't it interesting that it is women who are discriminated in this way and not men? Maybe it is because many profess Christ by putting on the Christian badge, but don't press into God to gain a full conversion to Christ, therefore these ones may not be new creatures in Christ themselves and so not having personal experience of it. Being born anew is much more than just saying a sinners prayer at the front of a church.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

How can we expect Jesus to forgive our past mistakes if we don't do the same with others? Aren't we called to follow into Jesus footsteps? To live as he lived, and love as he loved?

“I, even I, am he who blots out​

your transgressions, for my own sake,​

and remembers your sins no more.​

Isaiah 43:25​

​

You are right. Remember the parable of the wicked servant who was forgiven a debt he could never repay, but went and had a fellow servant put in jail in order to retrieve a much smaller debt from him. Isn't that what many Christians do to those, especially women, who have a checkered past? If Christians don't forgive the past mistakes of fellow believers, will God ultimately forgive them of the debt of sin they owe Him?

 

[QuestionQuest74]

If she is a new creation in Christ, wouldn't the "warts" be part of her that has passed away? One advantage would be that she would have no problem knowing how to go about things on the wedding night.

That might maker also harder to please since she has experienced multiple men if you wanna go that route.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

If she is a new creation in Christ, wouldn't the "warts" be part of her that has passed away? One advantage would be that she would have no problem knowing how to go about things on the wedding night.

The problem is that it is only with regards to this sin that the warts dissappear. Other sins, remain and can be used as a metric to not enter a marriage.

Still if learning how to have sex is an advantage why do we even have the standard to begin with?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

You are right. Remember the parable of the wicked servant who was forgiven a debt he could never repay, but went and had a fellow servant put in jail in order to retrieve a much smaller debt from him. Isn't that what many Christians do to those, especially women, who have a checkered past? If Christians don't forgive the past mistakes of fellow believers, will God ultimately forgive them of the debt of sin they owe Him?

Does the same standard of accepting sinners apply to women?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

If she hasn't healed from her past, before marriage, I would recommend her to a Christian psychologist, or bring her to a pastor or priest. Some people get scarred for life. But hey, we all have scars. Just as long as she doesn't repeat any mistakes or goes back into that industry.

Does that mean that the Holy Spirit produces only partial conversion to Christ. I thought that a full conversion to Christ meant a total transformation of the person, that the full healing of the past comes with being born again of the Holy Spirit. If a person still needs healing from the past, does that mean they are not fully converted to Christ? I reckon that many churches give wonky teaching about conversion to Christ and fail to teach that genuine conversion to Christ involves a total transformation of the person, mentally spiritually, and emotionally, therefore it is not just putting on a Christian "badge", joining a church, and saying, "I'm a born again Christian now."

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I mean that’s his preference though he is not denying her as a Christian. Some Godly women would deny a romantic relationship with a Christian man with a dark past as well let’s not pretend all of us are open to everyone romantically. I still want to hear his point of view.

A person fully converted to Christ no longer has a dark past. In fact, they have no past at all. When the devil tries to bring up my shameful past, I tell him that I am a new creature in Christ and all that past no longer exists. The devil backs off very quickly when I quote the Scripture at him. So, I reckon that anyone discriminating against a believer according to his pre-conversion past, is siding with the devil, and that might prove to be a bit of a problem between him and God.

 

[AlexB23]

Does that mean that the Holy Spirit produces only partial conversion to Christ. I thought that a full conversion to Christ meant a total transformation of the person, that the full healing of the past comes with being born again of the Holy Spirit. If a person still needs healing from the past, does that mean they are not fully converted to Christ? I reckon that many churches give wonky teaching about conversion to Christ and fail to teach that genuine conversion to Christ involves a total transformation of the person, mentally spiritually, and emotionally, therefore it is not just putting on a Christian "badge", joining a church, and saying, "I'm a born again Christian now."

Even full Christians need healing. Not wanting to help a fellow Christian is just individualism and laziness here. God can do a lot, but he made us humans so we can help out our fellow comrades in difficult life moments.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It's about personal preferences. Would you allow a repented pedophile to babysit your kids?

I would think that a repented pedophile, who has genuinely repented and been born again of the Spirit of God, would prefer not to babysit children in order to avoid any situation where the devil would being temptation to him. Remember, the presence of sin is still with us, and the devil uses it to tempt believers to sin. Paul said that he keeps his body under control so that after preaching to others he doesn't become a castaway himself.

Anyway, people who have been born again of the Holy Spirit and have become new creatures in Christ, don't have to rake up their past for the benefit of stickybeaking busybodies who get their jollies by muckraking the colorful pasts of others. This is why I don't believe in testimonies that detail the person's past to show how sinful they were before they came to Christ. This is the type of sensationalism we don't need.

There is the story of a person who, in giving testimony, said about having delved right into the flesh pots of Egypt and engaged in a comprehensive sinful life...before he got converted at the age of seven!

 

[timothyu]

. Remember, the presence of sin is still with us, and the devil uses it to tempt believers to sin.

Most trade workers are not nymphomaniacs so where would be the temptation? Petty cash?. They would I am sure prefer doing their nails or talking on the phone or think about painting the ceiling, while the guy does his thing.

 

[timothyu]

Of course now that we have all been mandated as Puritans, it may have to change the tone of the thread

 

[Tropical Wilds]

If an attractive women that was a former sex-worker becomes a Christian woman would you date her and consider marriage with her ?

Assuming a gender swap and assuming I was single, I wouldn’t rule out dating/marrying a former stripper. I would not be able to marry a former X video star, though. I would not trust myself to not seek out their videos and watch them and then dwell on the surrealism of seeing my partner with somebody else. It truly is a me thing, not a them thing.

 

[lanceleo]

Most trade workers are not nymphomaniacs so where would be the temptation? Petty cash?. They would I am sure prefer doing their nails or talking on the phone or think about painting the ceiling, while the guy does his thing.

He's specifically replying to my post regarding pedophilia.

 

[Niels]

This isn't a salvation issue. There isn't a right or wrong answer in that sense. Christianity and romantic compatibility are different things. Much like two single people in a church aren't necessarily right for each other just because they happen to be single and Christian. It doesn't follow that they consider the person they're not interested in to be worse in God's eyes than they themselves are. At no point should it call into question one's rightness with God.

We are new creatures, but not even new creatures are necessarily romantically compatible.

Some are comfortable with marrying a former sex worker while others aren't. There are many possible reasons for this. Marriage is a personal, intimate, and practical matter. It would be wrong to force our own preferences onto others. Things like this are best left between the two individuals and God.

As for myself, never say never but it's unlikely. Compatibility is more important to me than proving to the busybodies that I don't see this as a matter of salvation. She would need to be genuinely compatible with me in other crucial ways to begin with. Not merely attractive and forgiven. Much like with anybody else that I'd consider marrying. Likewise, I wouldn't expect my own salvation to erase romantic incompatibilities. It's more important to find somebody who is the right fit than to assume that you're romantically compatible just because both of you are believers.

 

[Divide]

I wonder if you'd be upset by someone putting up lots of posts claiming things such as that all men lie, are manipulative, and so on? Would you consider that polite? I'd suggest it's at least skirting close to CF's rules on not flaming people as a group.

Oh, I thought the thread was about would a man marry a former SW, so that's what I was talking about. You want to hear me talk about men so it's fair?! Ok, Good luck finding a husband because half of the men are gay now, the other half are drunks the other half of those wont work and the other half of them cheat regulalrly, At that rate there might be 7 decent men left in the world that are single.

Wasnt that fair of me? I am not flaming women as a group. I said I would not marry one girl that had a checkered past as put forth in the OP. So you should calm down. I'm flaming women as a group! That is rich! Go start up a reverse type thread if you would like to hear men get bashed. But this is the topic here. One hypothetical girl got trurned down. So what? It doesn't mean that I don't like women.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Well, how about an STD test at least? Is she saved from that too?

I am not sure about being saved from all penalty for sins. It's not like God declares that the pedophile gets set free from prison after he says the sinner's prayer. You see the same thing in the Bible when God forgave David. He forgave David for his transgression, but then penalized David after forgiving him, by taking his child away. And I think you can find various things in the NT about God disciplining the ones that he loves. . .

We are saved from the fires from hell, but not all of the worldly consequences and punishments for our sins, so it seems to me at least.

So you are saying that Jesus is not a complete Saviour and that His work on the Cross was unfinished, even though He said it was finished?

If a person breaks the law of God and he repents and puts his trust in Christ, he is totally forgiven and cleanses of all unrighteousness. However, if he broke the law of the land, he still has to pay the penalty for it. Remember the penitent thief? Although he was totally forgiven and was promised to be in Paradise with Jesus, he still had to pay the criminal penalty for his crimes. He wasn't miraculously set free from the cross. He still had to continue to suffer and then go through the agonising process of getting his legs broken in order to die quickly so as no to be hanging on the cross through Sabbath.

When I was working for the District Court, there was a defendant who told the judge that his offences were "all under the Blood". I thought it was a silly statement to make in a secular court, because no one would know what he is talking about. But we know that our offences are cleansed by the blood of Jesus, but we still have to go through the civil penalty for them. It is the same with prisoners serving jail sentences who have been converted to Christ. They don't get automatically released, but still have to serve the remainder of their sentences.

Concerning an STD test, I would imagine that most "professionals" would be having those on a regular basis while still involved in the "industry". If I was dating someone and I found out (through gossip) that she had a past, any demand for an STD test would kill our relationship stone dead.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Most trade workers are not nymphomaniacs so where would be the temptation? Petty cash?. They would I am sure prefer doing their nails or talking on the phone or think about painting the ceiling, while the guy does his thing.

I didn't know that. But then I have never "done my thing" with a trade worker.

 

[timothyu]

But then I have never "done my thing" with a trade worker.

Likewise but realistically why would it be normal love making. That's not what they are paying for. That would be reserved for flings. Movies distort truth lol

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Likewise but realistically why would it be normal love making. That's not what they are paying for. That would be reserved for flings. Movies distort truth lol

It is basically one step up from masturbation. The problem with watching the movie versions is that the males are auditioned with a ruler, and what looks like just one session, could be several sessions merged together to make it appear that the session lasts more than the normal less than 5 minutes for most normal couples. The consequences for those hooked on movies is when they get to their wedding night, they end up disappointed and dissatisfied because the reality is far different from the fantasy.

 

[timothyu]

because the reality is far different from the fantasy.

David vs Goliath.