Without mentioning Trump or Democracy, why do you support Joe Biden for President.

[AlightSeeker]

Recognizing the good in someone you oppose is a Godly thing to do.

Yes it is, amen. Let me tell you something that I believe God is showing me. I'm going to be brutally honest here. I dislike catholicism. Forgive me for that. I know its probably offensive. But I shouldn't hate Catholics or anyone seeking the Lord. We are in this together. I am nothing but a wretched sinner hoping desperately in the Lord. He shows me that I cannot hate people. I must love them. The way I do that is by letting go of my prejudice and being humble before God and man. I think perhaps we all need to do that. Let go of everything and love each other and God. This religion divides us. But it's not supposed to do that. Forgive me for being honest here. But I want to share the heart that I believe God is giving me. I must love everyone who hopes in the Lord and I am not a judge. God alone is judge. I honestly believe most if not all churches are blind to some things. I am blind too. So we are brothers in that blindness. I want us to be brothers though, in Christ, not catholicism or any other church, but in Christ himself. This is just my fallible and humbled opinion, brother.

 

[probinson]

I'm looking at your examples, and it all looks like a desperate attempt to say "well, Biden does it too."

Um, the topic of this thread is Biden without mentioning Trump. You're the one playing wahboutism games.

I get it. If you actually addressed Joe Biden's creepiness that would violate your Biden-can-do-no-wrong agenda. So all you can do is deflect and say WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?!! The only issue here is, I've already acknowledged that Trump has done creepy things. You seem incapable of acknowledging Biden's clear and obvious creepy behavior. I mean, just watch the video. It's pretty unanimous across the political spectrum that Joe Biden's penchant for sniffing female's hair (particularly young females) is off-the-charts creepy. But I understand why your agenda doesn't permit you to acknowledge that reality.

 

[probinson]

Well, that puts him in with a few tens of millions of other Americans.

Biden fell while trying to dismount a stationary bicycle. Surely you are not contending that "a few tens of millions of other Americans" have fallen off of their bikes while trying to dismount them, are you?

You're being very disingenuous. Yes, people fall of bikes every day. No, not when they're simply getting off the bike after the ride is over.

 

[AlightSeeker]

See what the democrats and Republicans have done to us? Should I post scripture that says we are not to slander anyone, even politicians? Or how we must love each other? Is this love? Or how we must have one mind and one voice? Politicians lead us astray brothers and sisters. We are blinding ourselves and don't even know it.

 

[AlightSeeker]

Look at our blindness. Does this scripture not refer to blindness? We follow the world. We worry about the economy and many things that God has not commanded us to worry about, quite the opposite actually. He commanded us not to be like the Gentiles who seek those things. God himself is our helper. Why do we act unfaithful to him by following politicians who worry about those things and lead us to do the same? Where our treasure is so is our heart.

Matthew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

The Lamp of the Body
22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is [g]good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is [h]bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

You Cannot Serve God and Riches
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

 

[The Barbarian]

Biden fell while trying to dismount a stationary bicycle. Surely you are not contending that "a few tens of millions of other Americans" have fallen off of their bikes while trying to dismount them, are you?

We used to live on bicycles as a kid. Saw it lots of times. You're being very disingenuous.

I get that you're so locked into your "Biden Bad - Trump Flawless, that you can't think about this objectively. We all get that. I'm just asking you to try to step back a bit and look at what you're doing.

Um, the topic of this thread is Biden without mentioning Trump. You're the one playing wahboutism games.

I notice you're taking part in that. Trump is found to have sexually assaulted a woman by the courts. He brags about how he gets away with it. So it's "what about Biden? We think he's creepy, and we have Photoshopped pictures to prove it!" But I understand why your agenda doesn't permit you to acknowledge that reality.

 

[The Barbarian]

See what the democrats and Republicans have done to us? Should I post scripture that says we are not to slander anyone, even politicians?

The sexual assault stuff is not slander. It's a matter of public record.

 

[AlightSeeker]

The sexual assault stuff is not slander. It's a matter of public record.

Yes, true, but we don't gossip either. Even if it is public record. We show grace and love instead. But it's not even about sexual assault. We slander our leaders in many ways. Republicans slander democrats and democrats slander Republicans, and their pundits do the same and they all teach us that. Their example and words lead us astray. We are called to be holy. Without holiness we will not see God, as the apostles teach us, and Jesus said the pure in heart will see God. We dont do things they do but what God commands. His word is against politics, as far as I can see anyway. We must purify our hearts and be holy. God is a consuming fire. We get the idolatry and unfaithfulness out of our hearts by obeying his word. That's how we get the spirit too.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can you please state your support for President Biden’s re election without mentioning Trump or Democracy?

I don't support Joe Biden for president.

But if I have no other valid option then I'll vote for him again.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[probinson]

We used to live on bicycles as a kid. Saw it lots of times. You're being very disingenuous.

You must have hung out with a lot of very uncoordinated kids if you saw kids falling while simply trying to get off their bikes "lots of times".

I get that you're so locked into your "Biden Bad - Trump Flawless,

What are you even talking about? I've said Trump is creepy and an awful candidate in this thread. Why are you pretending like I'm saying Trump is flawless when anyone with even a basic reading comprehension level can see that's not even remotely close to what I've said?

We all get that.

How presumptuous to think you speak for "we all" (whoever that is).

So it's "what about Biden?

The thread is ABOUT BIDEN.

We think he's creepy, and we have Photoshopped pictures to prove it!"

Except I didn't provide photoshopped pictures to prove anything. I provided unedited video clips of Biden being repeatedly creepy with women and children, and you refuse to even acknowledge it.

Thanks for providing my comic relief for the evening.

 

[The Barbarian]

I get it. If you actually addressed Joe Biden's creepiness that would violate your Biden-can-do-no-wrong agenda.

I get that you're so locked into your "Biden Bad - Trump Flawless,

What are you even talking about? I've said Trump is creepy and an awful candidate in this thread. Why are you pretending like I'm saying Trump is flawless when anyone with even a basic reading comprehension level can see that's not even remotely close to what I've said?

And where did I say Biden can do no wrong? Clean your own house first, um? And yes, I said that, knowing what your response would be.

"We think he's creepy, and we have Photoshopped pictures to prove it!"

Except I didn't provide photoshopped pictures

You didn't. But the guys who started the story you're peddling, did exactly that. You're just dancing around, trying to find something to make Biden's conduct seem more like Trump's history of sexual assault and creepy behavior with women.

Which is pretty risible, if you look at the actual comparison. If truth is on your side, why hang out with liars?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Can you please state your support for President Biden’s re election without mentioning Trump or Democracy?

I Don't.

 

[FenderTL5]

Can you please state your support for President Biden’s re election without mentioning Trump or Democracy?

I can with one minor clarification, I support policy/ideals and not individual candidates/politicians.

First: Fiscal repsonsibility. Since World War II only one president has had a balanced budget containing a surplus on spending. That was D- Bill Clinton. Deficit spending by president beginning in 1980: Reagan increased the deficit 142%, Bush the first 36% increase, already mentioned Clinton had a 1% decrease with a surplus in 98, 99, 2000 and 2001. W. Bush increased the deficit 57% Obama 58% increase overall, but did cut deficits his last 4 years. The one who can't be mentioned increased the deficit 33%.
When it comes to taxes in general, Democrats are often labled "tax and spend" and to a large degree that is true. The GOP on the other hand; cuts revenue and spends just as much, if not more. If fiscal matters, matter, you can't vote for the GOP.

Second: Social Security and Medicare. Regardless of the shenanigans by some house members on the house floor during the State of the Union speech by the current White House occupant, the GOP's stated goals include cuts and changing the retirement age from the current 66-67 to 70, 70+. Democrats, tend to favor raising the cap on withholdings. Currently the cap is $160,200. Which means, a person earning 14 million a year contributes the same into SS as the person earning 160K. Biden's proposed change on the cap for those above 400K is a good plan. If Social Security is an issue for you, you must avoid voting for the GOP.

Third: Healthcare the GOP has no plan nor intent. They favor status quo with insurance companies and health conglomerates calling the shots. The US spends more than any other nation on earth in healthcare and does not have the results to show for it. Yes, the US has some great healthcare facilities and practiotioners but it's only for those who can afford it. At least the democrats are willing to take on the discussion. On this issue I roll in related sidebar items such as prescription drugs, vaccinations and mental health issues. Point Democrat.

Fourth: Immigration Reform. In 2013 (three years before the unmentionable one) a bi-partisan group of Senators brought foth a comprehensive piece of legislation addressing immigration reform. It included a variety of border measures, it would have added up to 40,000 border patrol agents and had a host of new policies concerning legal immigration (visas, green cards etc). This bill passed in the Senate by a vote of 68-32.
The bill was not considered by United States House of Representatives with R-John Boehner never putting it forward for debate. again, the GOP falls flat with it's one pet project being the only remedy.

Fifth: Family concerns such as Child Tax Credits, Pre K, and Family Leave are items Democrats are willing to discuss. The GOP can only say they are against all of the above.

Sixth: Gun violence. One party is willing to discuss it. The other puts their head in the sand. In a similar way that Americans have accepted that a significant portion of us will die in auto related incidents, one party is insisting we accept that a significant portion of our children will die in gun violence. At least with automobiles there are mechanisms utilized with the intent of lowering the carnage.

It's not that I support Biden. It's that I can not support the GOP.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's not that I support Biden. It's that I can not support the GOP.

This is pretty much the point. It's not just Trump.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes, true, but we don't gossip either. Even if it is public record. We show grace and love instead. But it's not even about sexual assault.

Right. It's about whether or not we can trust the nation to a man like that.

 

[probinson]

I get that you're so locked into your "Biden Bad - Trump Flawless,

I've already corrected you on this. Are you incapable of understanding that I believe Trump AND Biden are BOTH creepy?

And where did I say Biden can do no wrong?

OK. Great to hear that you realize Biden isn't infallible. So with that in mind, what are your thoughts on Biden's creepy penchant for sniffing women's hair (particularly young women) and violating their personal space?

"We think he's creepy, and we have Photoshopped pictures to prove it!"

You're clinging to this as if I actually did this, but I didn't and you know it. I used unedited videos.

You didn't. But the guys who started the story you're peddling, did exactly that.

So what? The question isn't what do you think about photoshopped pictures. The question is, what do you think about Biden being handsy and sniffing women's hair. That actually happened. Multiple times. Biden has some pretty cringe-worthy moments with women. I'm not sure why you're pretending otherwise.

You're just dancing around, trying to find something to make Biden's conduct seem more like Trump's history of sexual assault and creepy behavior with women.

I'm not even mentioning Trump. I've already agreed with you that Trump has been pretty creepy with women, but so has Biden. Your condemnation of one and tacit approval of the other is glaringly hypocritical.

 

[probinson]

I can with one minor clarification, I support policy/ideals and not individual candidates/politicians.

First: Fiscal repsonsibility. Since World War II only one president has had a balanced budget containing a surplus on spending. That was D- Bill Clinton. Deficit spending by president beginning in 1980: Reagan increased the deficit 142%, Bush the first 36% increase, already mentioned Clinton had a 1% decrease with a surplus in 98, 99, 2000 and 2001. W. Bush increased the deficit 57% Obama 58% increase overall, but did cut deficits his last 4 years. The one who can't be mentioned increased the deficit 33%.
When it comes to taxes in general, Democrats are often labled "tax and spend" and to a large degree that is true. The GOP on the other hand; cuts revenue and spends just as much, if not more. If fiscal matters, matter, you can't vote for the GOP.

Second: Social Security and Medicare. Regardless of the shenanigans by some house members on the house floor during the State of the Union speech by the current White House occupant, the GOP's stated goals include cuts and changing the retirement age from the current 66-67 to 70, 70+. Democrats, tend to favor raising the cap on withholdings. Currently the cap is $160,200. Which means, a person earning 14 million a year contributes the same into SS as the person earning 160K. Biden's proposed change on the cap for those above 400K is a good plan. If Social Security is an issue for you, you must avoid voting for the GOP.

Third: Healthcare the GOP has no plan nor intent. They favor status quo with insurance companies and health conglomerates calling the shots. The US spends more than any other nation on earth in healthcare and does not have the results to show for it. Yes, the US has some great healthcare facilities and practiotioners but it's only for those who can afford it. At least the democrats are willing to take on the discussion. On this issue I roll in related sidebar items such as prescription drugs, vaccinations and mental health issues. Point Democrat.

Fourth: Immigration Reform. In 2013 (three years before the unmentionable one) a bi-partisan group of Senators brought foth a comprehensive piece of legislation addressing immigration reform. It included a variety of border measures, it would have added up to 40,000 border patrol agents and had a host of new policies concerning legal immigration (visas, green cards etc). This bill passed in the Senate by a vote of 68-32.
The bill was not considered by United States House of Representatives with R-John Boehner never putting it forward for debate. again, the GOP falls flat with it's one pet project being the only remedy.

Fifth: Family concerns such as Child Tax Credits, Pre K, and Family Leave are items Democrats are willing to discuss. The GOP can only say they are against all of the above.

Sixth: Gun violence. One party is willing to discuss it. The other puts their head in the sand. In a similar way that Americans have accepted that a significant portion of us will die in auto related incidents, one party is insisting we accept that a significant portion of our children will die in gun violence. At least with automobiles there are mechanisms utilized with the intent of lowering the carnage.

It's not that I support Biden. It's that I can not support the GOP.

Thank you for this post. I disagree with almost every point you made, but I'm always interested to see people's thought processes on this topic.

 

[AlightSeeker]

Right. It's about whether or not we can trust the nation to a man like that

We can't trust the government at all nor should we. We instead separate ourselves from them. We submit but we don't become like them. Fighting over politics isn't God's way for us. That's what Gentiles do. We walk in the light of Christ, In love, gentleness and humility. We don't command anyone but we serve them. We always point to the light if Christ. That's our job. As far as I see anyway.

 

[FenderTL5]

Thank you for this post. I disagree with almost every point you made, but I'm always interested to see people's thought processes on this topic.

Fair enough. Reasonable people can disagree on matters of policy.
There are at least a couple more 'high profile' items that's likley fall into similar territory, ie Wages/Minumum Wage and Income Inequality where the GOP policy has been to "provide downward pressure on wages" and the results have been disastorous for working people. Another would be the Environment, where few in the GOP give two shakes of a cat's tail about clean air and water when there's money to be extracted..
anyway.. I digress

 

[Merrill]

Turns out the deficits count even if there was a pandemic. Particularly since Donald Trump brought the severe consequences of the pandemic on himself. And you probably should learn what "gaslighting" means.

Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims are fed false information that leads them to question their identity, memory, and sanity.

Gaslighting

Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves. They may end up doubting their memory, their perception, and...

www.psychologytoday.com

It's not your sanity that is questionable. At least not for me.


But we can say that Biden managed to bring the deficit down by $1.7 trillion. Whether or not you think that he was fiscally responsible to do it, it's a fact that he did it.

He did not bring the debt down. No president since Bill Clinton has managed that.


Just less than Donald Trump. Hence the deficit reduction. Do you understand the difference between the deficit and the debt? The graph you posted is for debt, not deficit.

Gaslighting is when you try and convince someone they are crazy for seeing, or objecting to, something that is obviously wrong or abusive

You are gaslighting everyone here when you say that the finances of our government are just fine under Biden, and that he reduced deficits by 1.7 trillion.

The fact is, we are running the second highest deficits in US history in 2023, and we have the highest government debt in history. We are running a 120% debt-to-gdp ratio, which is a full-blown crisis. Moody's just issued a credit warning for the US.

The massive deficits in 2020 and 21 were largely a result of the CARES Act, which was bipartisan. That, and other measures, were fully-supported by Democrats and cheered on by left-wing economists like Paul Krugman

U.S. needs a 'really, really big' relief package to keep its economy afloat, says Paul Krugman

The U.S. may need several hundred billion dollars a month in "disaster relief," Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said.

www.cnbc.com

Krugman wanted to spend even more money

The "Green New Deal" pushed by left-wing Democrats, and largely supported by Biden, would cost the US government like 50 trillion dollars, leading to runaway inflation and a likely debt default

so I don't know who you are trying to gaslight when you say Biden is fiscally responsible, has championed reductions in spending, etc. --he obviously isn't. If it weren't for guys like Joe Manchin and others, Biden would have spent trillions more, and we would have double-digit inflation and have a run-on-the-dollar