What is pulling America Apart?

[durangodawood]

Smart agitators remain behind the scenes. Not everyone can lead a nation into years of wars in order to change a government in order to have more favourable outcomes on pipeline projects.

I guess it is arguable that a massive and unnecessary war, with all the suffering that continues to this day, has played a part in the fracturing of America.

I just dont see Cheney as one of those loudmouths who personally get the anger and indignation to bubble up in people.

 

[Abraxos]

The Zionist lobby's occupation of the US Government. They don't seek the interests of Americans but the interests of Israel actively dividing the country. Billions of taxpayers' money are sent overseas. No aid for many military veterans. Health Care at ridiculous prices, etc. etc.

Left, Right is an illusion to distract the masses.

 

[Laodicean60]

It started in the 90s with Newt Gingrich

Yes we were. I listened to Limbaugh, Savage and all the other right-wing radio talking heads every day, and they polarized the country through radio waves, and all of them were out to get Clinton.

Remember the dittoheads?

Who is we? You say that as if you speak for others.

Maybe the group you hung out with but the guys I worked with at white sands who my age didn't see politics like that. You might be a little older than me but dude take a chill pill. I didn't listen to talk radio because I was too busy coaching sports. I'm going off my memory of the people I interacted with. I don't speak for you so quit being defensive. I can't even mention Hillary without you blowing a gasket.

 

[Laodicean60]

Yes we were. I listened to Limbaugh, Savage and all the other right-wing radio talking heads every day, and they polarized the country through radio waves, and all of them were out to get Clinton.

Remember the dittoheads?

Who is we? You say that as if you speak for others.

BTW the first talk radio I listened to was Hannity and Colmes because I liked hearing opposing views. Prolly 2005

 

[mark46]

That's not how US presidental elections work.


Free from what would be the question.

Part of the problem in US elections is that several groups believe that they have God on their side. They believe that that theirs is the only correct interpretation of God's Will, and that they have every right to impose that interpretation on the everyone through state actions (under their control, of course).

 

[JacksBratt]

I stopped myself from posting this opinion in another thread because I'm curious about what Americans in America think is pulling America apart.

I am 1000% convinced that the left and the right do NOT agree on what that is. As I'm outside of it, I have my own opinions on both groups. But from SPECIFICALLY where you sit, what do you think is causing the slow melting of America's standing.


My thoughts?

Right
Mass migration
DQSH/LGBTQ issues
CRT
Economic crisis (which isn't actually an ECONOMIC crisis...it's a distribution of wealth crisis as the rich get richer and the middle and poor get left behind....still)

Left
Greed/Corporate exploitation
Racism
The removal of rights for certain classes of people
Republican degradation of national institutions.



But really, what do you guys think.

https://aztownhall.org/resources/Documents/Bridging Divides to Build Community/Stuck in the Middle - The Extremes Pulling America Apart Summary.pdf
That's a link to a boring pdf that indicates that it is the extremism that's tearing America apart. Seems boring and, frankly, the "Extreme left" in America? I'm curious who that would include....

There are many issues that are polarizing the western world. It's by design.
You can split up a family... even churches on some of the most basic political issues going on right now.

It's the agenda of the powers that be.

 

[JacksBratt]

Part of the problem in US elections is that several groups believe that they have God on their side. They believe that that theirs is the only correct interpretation of God's Will, and that they have every right to impose that interpretation on the everyone through state actions (under their control, of course).

The problem is that everyone has an opinion and nobody thinks that the other guy is allowed to have his. If people don't agree to your opinion.... then the names and accusations fly.

This is not one side is right and one side is wrong. Nobody has all the answers...

Problem is that people in power who have one view.. want to muzzle and silence anyone that puts out a contrary argument. Whoever is in power gets a voice. Those who don't... don't get a say..... Even if it's the truth.

1000 people could state that "A" is correct... One person could state that "B" is correct.

If "B" is correct...... by fact... and reality... it won't survive.

 

[RDKirk]

You blame Clinton too. Good to know.

I never liked Hillary Clinton, not even when she was First Lady.

 

[mark46]

It started in the 90s with Newt Gingrich.

Yes, chaos as a strategy goes back to Gingritch. But, in the end, he worked within the system. GHe wanted changes. He didn't want to tear the republic and give the power to a populist leader.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes, chaos as a strategy goes back to Gingritch. But, in the end, he worked within the system. GHe wanted changes. He didn't want to tear the republic and give the power to a populist leader.

How else was "chaos as a strategy" going to end? The essence of chaos is that it's undirected and uncontrolled.

 

[rturner76]

I stopped myself from posting this opinion in another thread because I'm curious about what Americans in America think is pulling America apart.

Donald Trump

He praises dictators like the leader of North Korea who is one of America's avowed enemies. He supports the overthrow of our democracy. He has even divided his own party. Donald Trump is probably the most divisive human being born in the United States of America. He dog whistles Nazi and Fascist propaganda and refuses to abide by income tax laws and real estate laws. By the number of supporters that I see he has., I can see why the United States is one of the most racist, sexist, greedy countries on the planet Earth. In the coming election I am not voting FOR anyone, I am voting AGAINST the Donald Trump dictatorship. I mean he even wants to shred the Constitution! What makes me the most sick is the sheer number of people who have been fooled by his organization.

 

[Laodicean60]

How else was "chaos as a strategy" going to end? The essence of chaos is that it's undirected and uncontrolled.

I'm ignorant about Chaos Theory in science and just now read a little on the internet. How was it used in politics by Newt? Thx

 

[timothyu]

anger and indignation to bubble up in people.

True. More like fear and loathing

 

[timothyu]

He didn't want to tear the republic and give the power to a populist leader.

You mean like Teddy Roosevelt?

 

[timothyu]

Donald Trump

He or any other candidate can have no effect upon people other than what they give to themselves. People get stirred up over the stupidest things and it is their own fault.

 

[mark46]

How else was "chaos as a strategy" going to end? The essence of chaos is that it's undirected and uncontrolled.

But it did end. There were changes. The White House made compromises. And within a very few years Gingritch was replaced.

 

[RDKirk]

You mean like Teddy Roosevelt?

I like Teddy. He's my favorite president. But he did do that.

 

[RDKirk]

But it did end. There were changes. The White House made compromises. And within a very few years Gingritch was replaced.

But he made permanent negative changes in reducing the ability of Republicans and Democrats to come to compromises in Congress.

 

[RoBo1988]

Yes, chaos as a strategy goes back to Gingritch. But, in the end, he worked within the system. GHe wanted changes. He didn't want to tear the republic and give the power to a populist leader.

I remember Newt merely taking Bill Clinton's campaign promises (3 strikes, balanced budget, etc) ,and making them into legislation for him to sign. Then Clinton, being the expert politician he was, took credit for the success, and was re elected.
Perhaps that needs to happen more often.

 

[KCfromNC]

Part of the problem in US elections is that several groups believe that they have God on their side. They believe that that theirs is the only correct interpretation of God's Will, and that they have every right to impose that interpretation on the everyone through state actions (under their control, of course).

It's been said that it is curious that God always seems to hate exactly the same people his followers do. At least in certain formulations of Christianity.
Outsiders might reasonably see that as simply slapping the "God's will" label on whatever random thing those voters happen to be riled up about on any given election day.