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Did the early church worship on Sabbath?

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I satisfied that the women worshipped the risen Lord on His resurrection (Matthew 28:9),
We should worship God every day, but this verse doesn't say anything about the first day being the new day of worship, a new Sabbath, or a new commandment of God. One would have to read that into the verse to make this case.

Are you satisfied with the teachings of Jesus? He said one worships in vain when we place mans traditions over the commandments of God and directly quotes from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8 the Sabbath is a commandment of God, written and spoken personally by God Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18.

If Jesus was going to change one of His commandments that He kept, the disciples kept and His faithful followers kept according to the commandment Luke 23:56 He would have told someone, not silence.
 
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I satisfied that the women worshipped the risen Lord on His resurrection (Matthew 28:9),
I think this is meant for me.

Did Jesus command them to, or did they personally choose to do so? If it is the latter how does that form a command from Jesus to the entire Christian church to do the same on that day?
 
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I think this is meant for me.

Did Jesus command them to, or did they personally choose to do so? If it is the latter how does that form a command from Jesus to the entire Christian church to do the same on that day?
It wasn’t meant for anyone. It was just a general comment on which I base my understanding of Sunday worship.
 
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Its not just take credit, they revel and trumpet it over Protestants..

"Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950. This Rock


Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50


Q. Should not the Protestant doubt when he finds that he himself holds tradition as a guide?
A. Yes, if he would but reflect that he has nothing but Catholic Tradition for keeping the Sunday holy; ... Controversial Catechism by Stephen Keenan, New Edition, revised by Rev. George Cormack, published in London by Burns & Oates, Limited - New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Brothers, 1896, pages 6, 7.

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible." The Catholic Virginian, "To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

"... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

'Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'' Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

"But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair." The Faith of Millions


"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

'If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.' Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

'It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.'Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ on March 18, 1903. This Rock


'Of course these .. quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit or blame ' This Rock,The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997


'The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.' Monsignor Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today';, p. 213.

If you look at all of that you will find a common thread. That thread being the general worldview. It is written entirely from the standpoint of the Protestant/Catholic divide, and show no universal knowledge. And by that I mean it leaves the Eastern Churches out entirely. There is no knowledge of global Christianity. Now if the Roman Church wants to claim that they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday within their ow Church then so be it. They have the authority to do that. But it was not changed -if it ever was- by decree, but by acceptance of the entirety of the Church, not just the Roman Church. The entirety of the Church does in fact have the authority to make that change but the Church never did. The Church has simply gathered to worship on Sunday because that is what the Apostolic Churches were taught to do by the Apostles. And the matter is resolved.
 
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If you look at all of that you will find a common thread. That thread being the general worldview. It is written entirely from the standpoint of the Protestant/Catholic divide, and show no universal knowledge. And by that I mean it leaves the Eastern Churches out entirely. There is no knowledge of global Christianity. Now if the Roman Church wants to claim that they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday within their ow Church then so be it. They have the authority to do that. But it was not changed -if it ever was- by decree, but by acceptance of the entirety of the Church, not just the Roman Church. The entirety of the Church does in fact have the authority to make that change but the Church never did. The Church has simply gathered to worship on Sunday because that is what the Apostolic Churches were taught to do by the Apostles. And the matter is resolved.
Do you have verse for it? I previously requested if you could provide one scripture that says Sunday is a new day or worship, a new commandment, God's new holy day, the Sabbath was transferred to the first day. So far no one has been able to provide any scripture for this.

Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Luke 4:16 Mat 15:10 1 Cor 7:19, they kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 preaching to both Jews and Gentiles. There is no scripture that the apostles kept every first day in all of scripture, that it is a commandment or God's new holy day.

God blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Once God blesses something, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so you would need a thus saith the Lord on that scripture. All the thus saith the Lords about God's holy Sabbath day is for us to keep it, from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 to the end Isa 66:22-23 and everywhere in the middle. :)
 
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It wasn’t meant for anyone. It was just a general comment on which I base my understanding of Sunday worship.
You didn't answer my question. Did Jesus command the women to worship Him?
 
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Do you have verse for it? I previously requested if you could provide one scripture that says Sunday is a new day or worship, a new commandment, God's new holy day, the Sabbath was transferred to the first day. So far no one has been able to provide any scripture for this.

Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Luke 4:16 Mat 15:10 1 Cor 7:19, they kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 preaching to both Jews and Gentiles. There is no scripture that the apostles kept every first day in all of scripture, that it is a commandment or God's new holy day.

God blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Once God blesses something, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so you would need a thus saith the Lord on that scripture. All the thus saith the Lords about God's holy Sabbath day is for us to keep it, from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 to the end Isa 66:22-23 and everywhere in the middle. :)

Jesus said to his Apostles:

Mat 18:18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The Apostles had the authority to make decisions for the Church. Once again:

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

The Apostles taught all of their Churches to gather on Sunday. That has been the practice of Christianity since the beginning. And it doesn't matter what it says in the bible, you think that you have some authority over the Church. Well, you don't. Now, to borrow a phrase, show me in the bible where you get your authority from.
 
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Jesus said to his Apostles:

Mat 18:18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The Apostles had the authority to make decisions for the Church. Once again:

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

The Apostles taught all of their Churches to gather on Sunday. That has been the practice of Christianity since the beginning. And it doesn't matter what it says in the bible, you think that you have some authority over the Church. Well, you don't. Now, to borrow a phrase, show me in the bible where you get your authority from.
This verse has nothing to do with the apostles changing what Jesus taught or commanded for them or of us, nor do they have the authority to change one of God's eternal commandments written by God's own finger.

The apostles never taught Sunday keeping as a new day of worship or a new commandment- they taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 the Sabbath is a commandment of God which they kept every Sabbath. Acts 18:4

So back to my original question- if you could please provide one scripture that says Sunday is a new day or worship, a new commandment, God's new holy day, the Sabbath was transferred to the first day.
 
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This verse has nothing to do with the apostles changing what Jesus taught or commanded for them or of us, nor do they have the authority to change one of God's eternal commandments written by God's own finger.

The apostles never taught Sunday keeping as a new day of worship or a new commandment- they taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 the Sabbath is a commandment of God which they kept every Sabbath. Acts 18:4

So back to my original question- if you could please provide one scripture that says Sunday is a new day or worship, a new commandment, God's new holy day, the Sabbath was transferred to the first day.

That's precisely what it means. Jesus gave his apostles the power to "bind and loose" and told them whatever a majority of them agreed on would be binding. You can see them exercising that authority in Acts 15 when they abrogated circumcision. Now, according to you, they had no such authority and we should obey "the word of God" and have our sons circumcised.

Gen 17:13 “He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Don't listen to those mere men who contradicted the word of God.

But anyways, the Apostles gathered for the Eucharist on the first day of the week:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread...

That has been the practice of Christianity ever since.
 
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That's precisely what it means. Jesus gave his apostles the power to "bind and loose" and told them whatever a majority of them agreed on would be binding. You can see them exercising that authority in Acts 15 when they abrogated circumcision. Now, according to you, they had no such authority and we should obey "the word of God" and have our sons circumcised.
We should always obey the Word of God and Acts 15 is God's Word.

This is what bind and loose means

They had the freedom, in delivering the gospel to people, to make an eternal difference. What they did on earth would be seen in heaven. People who are…. Evil spirits and habits that were bound on earth would be bound for the world to come and it was saying that those who were loosed from those things would be loosed in the world to come.

Not that they had the authority to change whatever they wanted. This is the Great Commission...by Jesus before ascending back to heaven.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

So this message from Jesus disagrees with your interpterion You still have not proven from scripture where the apostles taught that the first day was the new day of worship and new Sabbath or a new commandment. They do not have that kind of authority to change one of God's commandments, nor did they as they kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 preaching God's Word to all people Jews an Gentiles.

Gen 17:13 “He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Don't listen to those mere men who contradicted the word of God.

But anyways, the Apostles gathered for the Eucharist on the first day of the week:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread...

That has been the practice of Christianity ever since.
Where in this scripture does it say Sunday is the new holy day, a new Sabbath or a new commandment- you can only make that case if one were to add to God's Word, which we are told not to do. Pro 30:5-6

The disciples broke bread everyday, and that does not make everyday a new Sabbath, a new day of worship or God's new holy day. Acts 2:46
 
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We should always obey the Word of God and Acts 15 is God's Word.

This is what bind and loose means

They had the freedom, in delivering the gospel to people, to make an eternal difference. What they did on earth would be seen in heaven. People who are…. Evil spirits and habits that were bound on earth would be bound for the world to come and it was saying that those who were loosed from those things would be loosed in the world to come.

Not that they had the authority to change whatever they wanted. This is the great commission...by Jesus before descending back to heaven.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

So this message from Jesus disagrees with your interpterion You still have not proven from scripture where the apostles taught that the first day was the new day of worship and new Sabbath or a new commandment. They do not have that kind of authority to change one of God's commandments, nor did they as they kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 preaching God's Word to all people Jews an Gentiles.


Where in this scripture does it say Sunday is the new holy day, a new Sabbath or a new commandment- you can only make that case if one were to add to God's Word, which we are told not to do. Pro 30:5-6

The disciples broke bread everyday, and that does not make everyday a new Sabbath, a new day of worship or God's new holy day. Acts 2:46

You need to Google the meaning of "binding and loosing".
 
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You need to Google the meaning of "binding and loosing".
I trust the Words of Jesus- that He has the authority on earth and in heaven and the apostles are to do what He commanded them over google, but hey we have free will.
 
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You didn't answer my question. Did Jesus command the women to worship Him?
I answered that my reply was general & not personal and felt that was sufficient: Nonetheless, the Lord did not command the women since their gesture was spontaneous. Their spontaneity was evidently accepted by the Lord. The disciples also worshipped the risen Lord ( Matthew 28:17) some doubted although the Lord did not rebuke them.

There were clearly unsettled matters that had to be worked out and apparently in progress as the New Testament was being written. Circumcision was clearly unsettled and St. Paul contended against it ( Romans 4:9-11). Regardless of how the Eucharist is understood, the Lord called for the breaking of bread in His memory ( Luke 22:14-23, Matthew 26:26-30 etc.)before the Sabbath. The Apostles gathered for this after the Sabbath ( Acts 20:7).

Apparently the Lord permitted the Apostles to find ways to work matters out for the Gentiles ( Colossians 2:16 per Colossians 2:11-23).
 
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I trust the Words of Jesus- that He has the authority on earth and in heaven and the apostles are to do what He commanded them over google, but hey we have free will.

Well obviously you don't trust the words of Jesus because you don't accept that he gave his Apostles authority on earth. And the Church has not been left leaderless so that countless thousands throughout history can usurp that authority for themselves. But that is what you and others have done. I have faith in God and in Christ and in his Church. And I believe what he said.
 
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Well obviously you don't trust the words of Jesus because you don't accept that he gave his Apostles authority on earth. And the Church has not been left leaderless so that countless thousands throughout history can usurp that authority for themselves. But that is what you and others have done. I have faith in God and in Christ and in his Church. And I believe what he said.
Jesus said He has all authority, it was in the Great Commission....the disciples were to observe everything based on what Jesus commanded. The Sabbath is a commandment- one that Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers all observed.


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Why would humans have authority over our Creator. The example was left by Jesus for us to follow 1 John 2:6 not something that happened outside the bible that one cannot find one scripture saying so and Jesus warned us about Mat 15:3-9
 
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But anyways, the Apostles gathered for the Eucharist on the first day of the week:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread...

That has been the practice of Christianity ever since.

That in itself is an extremely churchy translation. It actually says mia ton sabbaton, (μια των σαββατων), as also found in the crucifixion-resurrection narratives. That's the first half of the weekly Shabbat according to the scripture teachings concerning the calendar and calendar days. The weekly Shabbat is rendered in plural in the LXX even when it is perfectly clear by the context that the text is speaking of a single day.

Example:

Exodus 20:8 LXX (Brenton Translation)
8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:8 LXX
8 μνησθητι την ημεραν των σαββατων αγιαζειν αυτην

And the same practice is carried over into the Apostolic writings:

Luke 4:16 KJV
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luke 4:16 T/R
16 και ηλθεν εις την ναζαρετ ου ην τεθραμμενος και εισηλθε κατα το ειωθος αυτω εν τη ημερα των σαββατων εις την συναγωγην και ανεστη αναγνωναι

The problem is in not understanding the calendar, and specifically, when a new calendar day actually commences, and that is not something one will likely ever guess at correctly: it must be learned and understood from the scripture. And the Orthodox do not have it right, and Protestantism does not have it right, and mainstream Christianity does not have it right, and not even modern Judaism has it right. The Biblical calendar day does not begin at sundown: μια των σαββατων is the first light, (epiphosko), or first half of the weekly Shabbat. There is good reason why the midday hour is called the tzohorim hour.

Tzohorim: double light or the two lights, because the morning light and evening light are not counted as the same, and the morning light transforms into the evening light at midday, when the sun passes over its zenith in the sky and begins its downward trek into the west.
 
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Jesus said He has all authority, it was in the Great Commission....the disciples were to observe everything based on what Jesus commanded. The Sabbath is a commandment- one that Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers all observed.


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Why would humans have authority over our Creator. The example was left by Jesus for us to follow 1 John 2:6 not something that happened outside the bible that one cannot find one scripture saying so and Jesus warned us about Mat 15:3-9
This reminds me of Canon 2 of the Synod of Jerusalem. You accept the bible as was delivered to you by the Church (mostly but you then removed several books from it) and by doing so you accept the authority of the Church to determine what the bible is, then turn and say the Church has no authority because of the bible. Even though that very bible says that the Church does.

Anyway, Canon 2 of the Synod of Jerusalem, 1672:

We believe the Divine and Sacred Scriptures to be God-taught; and, therefore, we ought to believe the same without doubting; yet not otherwise than as the Catholic Church has interpreted and delivered the same. For every foul heresy accepts the Divine Scriptures, but perversely interprets the same, using metaphors, and homonymies, and sophistries of man’s wisdom, confounding what ought to be distinguished, and trifling with what ought not to be trifled with. For if [we were to accept Scriptures] otherwise, each man holding every day a different sense concerning them, the Catholic Church would not by the grace of Christ continue to be the Church until this day, holding the same doctrine of faith, and always identically and steadfastly believing. But rather she would be torn into innumerable parties, and subject to heresies. Neither would the Church be holy, the pillar and ground of the truth, {1 Timothy 3:15} without spot or wrinkle; {Ephesians 5:27} but would be the Church of the malignant {Psalm 25:5} as it is obvious the church of the heretics undoubtedly is, and especially that of Calvin, who are not ashamed to learn from the Church, and then to wickedly repudiate her.
 
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That in itself is an extremely churchy translation. It actually says mia ton sabbaton, (μια των σαββατων), as also found in the crucifixion-resurrection narratives. That's the first half of the weekly Shabbat according to the scripture teachings concerning the calendar and calendar days. The weekly Shabbat is rendered in plural in the LXX even when it is perfectly clear by the context that the text is speaking of a single day.

Example:

Exodus 20:8 LXX (Brenton Translation)
8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:8 LXX
8 μνησθητι την ημεραν των σαββατων αγιαζειν αυτην

And the same practice is carried over into the Apostolic writings:

Luke 4:16 KJV
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luke 4:16 T/R
16 και ηλθεν εις την ναζαρετ ου ην τεθραμμενος και εισηλθε κατα το ειωθος αυτω εν τη ημερα των σαββατων εις την συναγωγην και ανεστη αναγνωναι

The problem is in not understanding the calendar, and specifically, when a new calendar day actually commences, and that is not something one will likely ever guess at correctly: it must be learned and understood from the scripture. And the Orthodox do not have it right, and Protestantism does not have it right, and mainstream Christianity does not have it right, and not even modern Judaism has it right. The Biblical calendar day does not begin at sundown: μια των σαββατων is the first light, (epiphosko), or first half of the weekly Shabbat. There is good reason why the midday hour is called the tzohorim hour.

Tzohorim: double light or the two lights, because the morning light and evening light are not counted as the same, and the morning light transforms into the evening light at midday, when the sun passes over its zenith in the sky and begins its downward trek into the west.

Honestly, I'll leave the meanings of Greek words to the Greek Church.
 
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I answered that my reply was general & not personal and felt that was sufficient: Nonetheless, the Lord did not command the women since their gesture was spontaneous. Their spontaneity was evidently accepted by the Lord. The disciples also worshipped the risen Lord ( Matthew 28:17) some doubted although the Lord did not rebuke them.

There were clearly unsettled matters that had to be worked out and apparently in progress as the New Testament was being written. Circumcision was clearly unsettled and St. Paul contended against it ( Romans 4:9-11). Regardless of how the Eucharist is understood, the Lord called for the breaking of bread in His memory ( Luke 22:14-23, Matthew 26:26-30 etc.)before the Sabbath. The Apostles gathered for this after the Sabbath ( Acts 20:7).

Apparently the Lord permitted the Apostles to find ways to work matters out for the Gentiles ( Colossians 2:16 per Colossians 2:11-23).
Once again the Biblical day starts and ends at sundown.

Genesis 1: 6 ¶And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

So the Sabbath begins and ends at sundown. Thus Paul speaking after sundown when the first day started. Thus Eutychus fell out the window and broke his neck early in the morning for scripture tells us Paul preached a long time.
 
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Honestly, I'll leave the meanings of Greek words to the Greek Church.
Doncha know? Armchair linguists armed with a basic dictionary Trump native speakers of the language everytime.
 
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