Do you believe we went to the moon?

[John 6:29]

Yes, of course. All those years of TV coverage of the Apollo program when I was growing up, and my father-in-law's work on the camera that went to the moon, and all the displays I've seen at NASA-Langley and NASA-Houston and the Smithsonian... sure, in theory, it could be an elaborate illusion, but that would involve the secret collaboration of very many people over many decades, which is hard for me to believe.

Except NotASpaceAgency is on record, in videos clearly presented by their people found easily on YouTube stating (1) We do not have the means to pass through the Van Allen Radiation Belt and hope to develop a means to do so in the future, and (1) We do not have yet the technology to build a rocket with the ability to go beyond lower earth orbit. This is not debatable, they have said this. Now, as to the idea of how could so many people keep a secret for so long without is leaking out? It is call compartmentalization and that very thing is used frequently in many design groups working on sensitive projects. Absolutely no doubt NASA employees and their contractors actually design parts and assemble rockets and other high tech pieces, however, the reality of what those pieces do after they have left their operation bubble is what needs to be discussed.

 

[RDKirk]

Except NotASpaceAgency is on record, in videos clearly presented by their people found easily on YouTube stating (1) We do not have the means to pass through the Van Allen Radiation Belt and hope to develop a means to do so in the future, and (1) We do not have yet the technology to build a rocket with the ability to go beyond lower earth orbit. This is not debatable, they have said this. Now, as to the idea of how could so many people keep a secret for so long without is leaking out? It is call compartmentalization and that very thing is used frequently in many design groups working on sensitive projects. Absolutely no doubt NASA employees and their contractors actually design parts and assemble rockets and other high tech pieces, however, the reality of what those pieces do after they have left their operation bubble is what needs to be discussed.

Having spent a career in that compartmentalized world, I'll testify that fake secrets can't be kept that long across so many agencies for so many years. Each step in the process requires trans-agency cooperation. Even in my particular role, I had to be given enough information about space capabilities that such a ruse would have to have been revealed to me.

Also, " We do not have yet the technology to build a rocket with the ability to go beyond lower earth orbit" has been disproven by other nations doing it, including China and India. Do you believe they lie for the US?

 

[John 6:29]

Having spent a career in that compartmentalized world, I'll testify that fake secrets can't be kept that long across so many agencies for so many years. Each step in the process requires trans-agency cooperation. Even in my particular role, I had to be given enough information about space capabilities that such a ruse would have to have been revealed to me.

Also, " We do not have yet the technology to build a rocket with the ability to go beyond lower earth orbit" has been disproven by other nations doing it, including China and India. Do you believe they lie for the US?

"Do you believe they lie for the US?".....I don't know, do you? NotASpaceAgency is on record stating they CANNOT achieve any height greater than lower earth orbit. Do you believe China? Do you believe that juvenile animation of India going to the moon...seriously, at a time of high technology they have presented ZERO evidence that they even went other than ridiculous claims and animation...kind alike NotASpaceAgency.
Just one example of many available:

 

[RDKirk]

"Do you believe they lie for the US?".....I don't know, do you? NotASpaceAgency is on record stating they CANNOT achieve any height greater than lower earth orbit. Do you believe China? Do you believe that juvenile animation of India going to the moon...seriously, at a time of high technology they have presented ZERO evidence that they even went other than ridiculous claims and animation...kind alike NotASpaceAgency.
Just one example of many available:

Right now, as of this moment, the US has no capability to launch a manned craft beyond Earth orbit.

Back in the 70s we did. Something else we don't have today that we used to have: The ability to fly a manned aircraft faster than Mach 3.

 

[returntosender]

Please site the USSR screaming that the Apollo missions were faked.



You said it looked faked but didn’t elaborate.


I have no idea what I could have said here that would make you reach that conclusion.

I have a right to my opinion without having to explain anything to you.

 

[John 6:29]

Right now, as of this moment, the US has no capability to launch a manned craft beyond Earth orbit.

Back in the 70s we did. Something else we don't have today that we used to have: The ability to fly a manned aircraft faster than Mach 3.

I see you are a man of GREAT FAITH in what NotASpaceAgency has told you.
Care to comment on what tech we had back when I watched the show on the black and white when we were able to pass through the Van Allen Belt....a thing NASA says WE CANNOT DO TODAY....even though we have better tech and better materials?

 

[Desk trauma]

I have a right to my opinion without having to explain anything to you.

Bit silly to come post it on a discussion forum if you're not only not going to explain it but are going to be defensive about it.

 

[Niels]

The evidence I've seen strongly suggests that we did. Going to the moon wasn't easy, but we had the motivation and the capability to do so. Thanks in part to the Cold War. Along with the official reports and footage, I have family members who were engineers on various satellite and missile projects at the time. I've also seen some of the equipment myself. It all adds up.

 

[RDKirk]

I see you are a man of GREAT FAITH in what NotASpaceAgency has told you.
Care to comment on what tech we had back when I watched the show on the black and white when we were able to pass through the Van Allen Belt....a thing NASA says WE CANNOT DO TODAY....even though we have better tech and better materials?

As I mentioned, we also cannot cruise in another manned aircraft today faster than Mach 3. After having scrapped our SR-71 capability, we'd have to go back to the drawing board and design an entirely new aircraft to do the same thing. It's the same thing with the Apollo program...it's been scrapped. There are no existing Saturn 5 rockets, there are no existing Apollo modules...we have to redesign a new vehicle that doesn't exist at present to do the same thing.

That's what those NASA spokespeople were talking about. Remember, there isn't even a person in NASA today who was in NASA back then.

 

[John 6:29]

The cognitive dissonance is strong here

 

[Aussie Pete]

Having spent a career in that compartmentalized world, I'll testify that fake secrets can't be kept that long across so many agencies for so many years. Each step in the process requires trans-agency cooperation. Even in my particular role, I had to be given enough information about space capabilities that such a ruse would have to have been revealed to me.

Also, " We do not have yet the technology to build a rocket with the ability to go beyond lower earth orbit" has been disproven by other nations doing it, including China and India. Do you believe they lie for the US?

Those who deny the Lunar landings call born again Christians liars. That, to me, is the worst of their delusion. God does not take kindly to His people being called liars when they speak the truth. Frank Borman died the same day that Hamas invaded Israel. He was 95. He commanded the mission that orbited the moon. He read Genesis 1:1. He took this picture.

 

[RDKirk]

Those who deny the Lunar landings call born again Christians liars. That, to me, is the worst of their delusion. God does not take kindly to His people being called liars when they speak the truth. Frank Borman died the same day that Hamas invaded Israel. He was 95. He commanded the mission that orbited the moon. He read Genesis 1:1. He took this picture.

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And Buzz Aldrin, a Presbyterian elder, became the first person to hold a religious ceremony on the Moon when he privately took communion.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Thats ridiculous, you are judging me for something i never said. I asked a question. And to presume that a christians opinion is always true is very ignorant.

"It looks fake looking at it now. They are known to fight their way to be first. To be the winner!" Your words, not mine. A Christian's opinion may or may not be correct. When a number of Christians claim to have gone to the moon, then either they lie or they tell the truth. I believe that they tell the truth.

 

[John 6:29]

Those who deny the Lunar landings call born again Christians liars. That, to me, is the worst of their delusion. God does not take kindly to His people being called liars when they speak the truth. Frank Borman died the same day that Hamas invaded Israel. He was 95. He commanded the mission that orbited the moon. He read Genesis 1:1. He took this picture.

That photo is a fabrication made before anyone knew there would be something called Photoshop where an elementary level PS user can adjust the contrast and levels to show the pasted artifacts around that supposed view of earth. How about showing something legit and recent where we can see the entirety of the 'globe' spinning at 1033mph while rotating in an elliptical orbit around the sun at 66,600mph

 

[RDKirk]

That photo is a fabrication made before anyone knew there would be something called Photoshop where an elementary level PS user can adjust the contrast and levels to show the pasted artifacts around that supposed view of earth. How about showing something legit and recent where we can see the entirety of the 'globe' spinning at 1033mph while rotating in an elliptical orbit around the sun at 66,600mph

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I don't know what you think you're saying. Well, yes, it was taken before the invention of Photoshop...what do you think that means? If anything, it means it was not Photoshopped.

He took that picture with a film still camera, either a Nikon or a Hasselblad (both cameras were used, modified for the purpose). Both the earth and the moon are illuminated by the sun, which is effectively at the same distance from each, so the exposure is the same (it's the traditional "sunny 16" exposure rule). You've probably never taken a picture of a sphere by a single light on velvet... I have. That's what it's going to look like.

What do you think is wrong with it?

 

[John 6:29]

I don't know what you think you're saying. Well, yes, it was taken before the invention of Photoshop...what do you think that means? If anything, it means it was not Photoshopped.

He took that picture with a film still camera, either a Nikon or a Hasselblad (both cameras were used, modified for the purpose). Both the earth and the moon are illuminated by the sun, which is effectively at the same distance from each, so the exposure is the same (it's the traditional "sunny 16" exposure rule). You've probably never taken a picture of a sphere by a single light on velvet... I have. That's what it's going to look like.

What do you think is wrong with it?

I don't "think" I am saying anything. I "know" I am saying something. What I also know is you literally understood very little of I typed out....probably because you come from a dogmatic mindset regarding this issue. I've been a graphics editor for decades...if that helps point you in the right direction.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't "think" I am saying anything. I "know" I am saying something. What I also know is you literally understood very little of I typed out....probably because you come from a dogmatic mindset regarding this issue. I've been a graphics editor for decades...if that helps point you in the right direction.

You still did not say what you think you're saying. Do you think that film image was manipulated? Despite your graphics background, you didn't appear to know what a sphere looks like when illuminated by a single light source without nearby reflecting surfaces...at least that was not apparent from your remarks. And then you were nattering about the relative motions of the objects as though you didn't realize that picture was taken with a still camera.

I've been a photographer for over fifty years. Thanks to my military service in the imagery reconnaissance business, I was involved with digital photography in the latter 70s, and in the 80s I was doing digital image manipulation (Photoshop before Photoshop).

 

[timewerx]

Yes, of course. All those years of TV coverage of the Apollo program when I was growing up, and my father-in-law's work on the camera that went to the moon, and all the displays I've seen at NASA-Langley and NASA-Houston and the Smithsonian... sure, in theory, it could be an elaborate illusion, but that would involve the secret collaboration of very many people over many decades, which is hard for me to believe.

NASA has plenty of cinematography experiences and resources. They needed it for data analysis and for training simulations/exercises.

They didn't have to hire anyone from "outside" other than consultations with non-classified info.

In theory, they could have pulled this elaborate deception off entirely with only a handful of NASA staff, government officials who are already signed to NDAs, top secret clearances etc. Profiled to be very nationalistic and could keep a secret for the "greater good", or for the sake of American Freedom, national security, whatever.

On the other-hand, there's actual evidence they made it to the moon via the Lunar landers.

I think the conspiracy theory is that they did everything unmanned. Those rockets and equipment did make it to the moon, brought back some rocks but did not carry anyone onboard.

Why? Nobody knows. Another theory is that Americans did walk on the moon but they did live editing to hide UFOs (AAPs) or even possibly artificial (but not man-made) structures that showed up in the camera and the imperfections in the live editing made it look like videos were faked.

I think the UFO live editing theory made more sense. Neil Armstrong came back from the mission a different man with signs of PTSD, going off later on with some really weird personal quests. It seemed they made it on the moon but found something so bothersome that nearly drove Neil Armstrong to insanity. I suspect they found an artifact on the moon with familiar writings from one of our ancient civilizations (thus, Neil Armstrong's crazy personal quests).

 

[RDKirk]

In theory, they could have pulled this elaborate deception off entirely with only a handful of NASA staff, government officials who are already signed to NDAs, top secret clearances etc. Profiled to be very nationalistic and could keep a secret for the "greater good", or for the sake of American Freedom, national security, whatever.

No, they couldn't have. Large portions of the Air Force would have had to be in on it. And, again, they'd have to get the Soviets and NATO involved...all of them were able to track the spacecraft. If the craft were unmanned, the Air Force would have to keep up the ruse of having retrieved them.

And frankly, that many Americans don't keep secrets as "nationalistically" as you think. We keep secrets we're convinced need keeping, particularly from real or prospective enemies, which as a practical matter means keeping those secrets from the public. You can't get that many people to keep a secret from the American public that isn't a matter of the security of the public. A small cabal of highly invested operatives might do that, but not the thousands of ordinary clerks and sergeants over decades that kind of ruse would require. Maintaining that ruse until now would require the sign-on of newly hired Gen-Z employees even today.

 

[John 6:29]

I was doing digital image manipulation (Photoshop before Photoshop).

Then you should understand my first post when, without spelling it out r e a l s l o w, the picture of the "earth" I showed had ZERO to do with lighting but the FACT is, when adjusting the levels and contrast of the image through any photo editor, one can see the scattering of pixilated artifacts around that "photo of the earth", and regardless of where that part of the composite image came from, it is clearly a, as modern terms would refer, a cut and paste.

And I wasn't "nattering" about anything....but if it helps you feel a bit more superior to make that sort of comment, well, I'm glad I could prop you up a bit.