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It is the doers of the Law who are righteous before God.

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Do you really believe that is all there is to it? Do you believe that we can be the bride of Yahshua simply by believing these details, while ignoring the rest of what he said?

Do you believe this?:

(CLV) Mt 24:12
And, because of the multiplication of LAWLESSNESS, the love of many shall be cooling.

(CLV) Mt 24:13
Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved.

How about this?:


(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

What about this?:

(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of lawlessness!'


I see that you backed up a few verses from this:

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for the writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

I believe in the writings of Moses. Lets back up one more verse for even greater context.


(CLV) Jn 5:38
And His word you do not have remaining in you, for that One Whom He commissions, this One you are not believing.

Moses, all of the Prophets, Yochanan the Immerser, and Yahshua all had the same message. That is repentance, obedience to YHWH's word.


(CLV) Jn 14:6
Jesus is saying to him, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one is coming to the Father except through Me.

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THE WAY
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(CLV) Ex 18:20
You will warn them with the statutes and the laws and make known to them the way in which they shall go and the deeds which they shall do.

(CLV) Dt 10:12
And now, Israel, what is Yahweh your Elohim asking of you, save to fear Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in all His ways, to love Him and to serve Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul,

(CLV) Jos 22:5
But observe meticulously to keep the instruction and the law that Moses the servant of Yahweh enjoined on you: to love Yahweh your Elohim and to walk in all His ways, to observe His instructions, to cling to Him and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

(CLV) 1Ki 2:3
You will keep the charge of Yahweh your Elohim to walk in His ways, to observe His statutes and His instructions, His ordinances and His testimonies as written in the law of Moses, so that you may act intelligently in all that you do and everywhere that you turn around,

(CLV) Ps 119:1
Happy are those whose way is flawless, Who are walking in the law of Yahweh.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.

(CLV) Mal 2:8
Yet you withdraw from the way. You cause many to stumble at the law. You ruin the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh of hosts.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

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THE TRUTH
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(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.

(CLV) Mal 2:6
The law of truth, it came to be in his mouth, and iniquity, it was not found on his lips. In peace and in uprightness he walked with Me, and turned many back from depravity.

(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,

(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."

(CLV) Ro 2:20
a discipliner of the imprudent, a teacher of minors, having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.

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THE LIFE
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(CLV) Jb 33:30
To restore his soul from the pit, To enlighten him with the light of the living.

(CLV) Ps 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light shall we see light.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life

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THE LIGHT
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(CLV) Jn 8:12
Again, then, Jesus speaks to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world. He who is following Me should under no circumstances be walking in darkness, but will be having the light of life."

(CLV) Jb 24:13
They are among those revolting against the light; They neither recognize its ways Nor dwell in its tracks.

(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Isa 51:4
Attend to Me, My people, And, My folk, give ear to Me! For a law shall go forth from Me, And My judgment for a light of the peoples.

(CLV) 2Co 6:14
Do not become diversely yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?

(CLV) 1Jn 1:7
Yet if we should be walking in the light as He is in the light, we are having fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, is cleansing us from every sin.

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THE WORD
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(CLV) Jn 1:14
And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.

(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,

(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."

(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.


Yahshua is the living Torah!

If we walk in his ways; we walk in the Torah.
You are quoting from the Old Testament/Old Covenant without consideration to the New Testament/New Covenant. That’s why you can’t see clearly.

Jesus death on the Cross changed things. Here is what Paul says about the reading of the Old Testament - as it relates to Christ - as it relates to righteousness:
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 KJV
13 “And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:” (What was abolished? The law!)

14 “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (Reading the Old Testament to justify righteousness brings about the vail of spiritual blindness upon oneself).

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 “Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.” (Only when we turn to the teachings of Christ in the New Covenant will that vail be removed).

Do you know what these scriptures mean?

When someone use the Old Testament scriptures to justify still being under the Old Testament laws, they are blinded to that which came, that is, they are blinded to the grace of God offered mankind under the New Testament, in the gospel of Jesus Christ, which tells us that Christ Has freed us from the law, that we have been redeemed by Him.

So what have we been redeemed from? We have been redeemed from the curse of the law that no man could escape.

Do you know why there is a curse over the law? The curse was put on the law by Israel themselves, a curse God honored.

You are unable to see Christ is our righteousness - and you have chosen to remain blind by reading the Old Testament in relation to righteousness. (You bring the vail off spiritual blindness upon yourself)

No amount of works - that is, no amount of keeping the law can make us righteous.
 
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Matthew 5-7 is referred to as the Sermon on the mount, it encapsulates the moral teaching of Christ on numerous matters and it encapsulates the gospel message of grace, it is indeed preached to Jews but the message is clearly for all Christians.
True, but can you break down what the Sermon on the Mount meant for the Jews before Jesus died on the cross vs the Christians after Jesus died on the cross? Because the moral law had the same meaning but different applications after Jesus’s death.

Two different covenants, two different applications. Were you aware of that?
 
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Yahshua said this after his his death:

Renewing the covenant doesn't change YHWH's law. Suppose that I got pulled over for speeding; and I said to the officer. "oh the law doesn't apply to me; because I just got remarried." I might be taken in for evaluation.

Yahahua spoke to the "Churches" after he died.

(CLV) Re 2:5
Remember, then, whence you have fallen, and repent, and do the former acts. Yet if not, I am coming to you, and shall be moving your lampstand out of its place, if ever you should not be repenting.

Acts, this speaks of actions, works. He drives home the message that he preached during his entire ministry when he walked the earth, REPENT. Do to know what the lampstand represents? It represents being recognized as a "Church."

(CLV) Re 2:6
But this you |have, that you are hating the acts of the Nicolaitans, which I, also, am hating.

Do you know who Nicolas was? He practiced lawlessness.

(CLV) Re 2:7
"`"Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesias. "`"To the one who is conquering, to him will I be granting to be eating of the log of life which is in the center of the paradise of God."'

Conquering? Conquering what?


(CLV) Re 2:14
But I have a few things against you, that you |have there those holding the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a snare before the sons of Israel, to be eating idol sacrifices, and to commit prostitution.

Oh but wait, the common Christian narrative is that we don't have to obey YHWH's eternal precepts anymore, that now we are under grace.


(CLV) Re 2:16
Repent then! Yet if not, I am coming to you swiftly and shall be battling with them with the blade of My mouth.

Repent? There's that word again.

(CLV) Re 2:19
"`"I am aware of your acts and love and faith and service and your endurance, and your last acts are more than the former.

Here he is judging them by their works again.

(CLV) Re 2:21
And I give her time that she should be repenting, and she is not willing to repent o of her prostitution.

There is that repent word again; but maybe now it all about grace.

(CLV) Re 2:22
Lo! I will cast her into a couch, and those committing adultery with her into great affliction, if ever they will not be repenting of her acts.

Is this grace?

(CLV) Re 2:23
And her children shall I be killing with death, and all the ecclesias shall know that I am He Who is searching the kidneys and hearts. And I will be giving to each of you in accord with your acts.

Here he speaks more of works; but where is the grace?

(CLV) Re 2:26
"`"And to the one who is conquering and keeping My acts until the consummation, to him will I be giving authority over the nations;

More on works.

(CLV) Re 2:26
"`"And to the one who is conquering and •keeping My acts until the consummation, to him will I be giving authority onover the nations;

"`"I am aware of your acts. Lo! Before you have I granted an open door, which not one is able to lock it, for you have a little power, and you keep My word and you do not disown My name.

Keeping his word... His word is the eternal word of our heavenly Father.

(CLV) Ps 119:89
For the eon, O Yahweh, Your word is stationed in the heavens.
Why are you quoting Revelation? What about the Gospel of Christ from Romans to Jude?

You still fail to acknowledge the New Testament/New Covenant.

So, my suggestion is to read the New Covenant which starts at Romans, for understanding, which will help you see why we are no longer under the Old Testament/Old Covenant.

God bless!
 
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You are quoting from the Old Testament/Old Covenant without consideration to the New Testament/New Covenant. That’s why you can’t see clearly.
I quoted Yahshua.

Jesus death on the Cross changed things. Here is what Paul says about the reading of the Old Testament - as it relates to Christ - as it relates to righteousness:
It didn't change YHWH's eternal directions (law).

Here is what Yahshua said:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

2 Corinthians 3:13-16 KJV
13 “And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:” (What was abolished? The law!)

14 “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (Reading the Old Testament to justify righteousness brings about the vail of spiritual blindness upon oneself).

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 “Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.” (Only when we turn to the teachings of Christ in the New Covenant will that vail be removed).

Do you know what these scriptures mean?
If you want to know what they mean; you might start with a more accurate translation.

(CLV) 2Co 3:13
and are not even as Moses. He placed a covering over his face, so that the sons of Israel were not to look intently to the consummation of that which is being nullified.

(CLV) 2Co 3:16
Yet if ever it should reach a turning back to the Lord, the covering is taken from about it.)

(CLV) 2Co 3:15
But till today, if ever the reading of Moses should be reached, a covering is lying on their heart.

(CLV) 2Co 3:16
Yet if ever it should reach a turning back to the Lord, the covering is taken from about it.)

The words in grey do not appear in the Greek manuscripts.

This verse speaks of the covenant being nullified; and that covenant was nullified long before Yahshua came, by those who broke it. YHWH's eternal direction (law) stands forever. YHWH said it. Moses repeated it. David repeated it. YHWH's Prophets repeated it. Yahshua repeated it. Paul confirmed it.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

Paul was a slave to YHWH's Torah.


(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

Paul walked according to the Torah after coming to Yahshua.


(CLV) Php 3:6
in relation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in relation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.

Yahshua obeyed the Torah blamelessly. He is our example.


(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.
 
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Why are you quoting revelations? What about the Gospel of Christ from Romans to Jude?
The Gospels are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. That is where you will find the words in red, the words of Yahshua, along with the Revelation of John.
 
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I made no such claim.

Here is what YHWH says:


(CLV) Ezk 18:21
Yet if the wicked one should turn back from all his sins which he had committed, and he observes all My statutes and executes right judgment and justice, he shall live, yea live; he shall not die.

(CLV) Ezk 18:22
Any of his transgressions which he had committed shall not be remembered against him. In his righteousness which he does shall he live.

There's that "do" word.

(CLV) Ezk 18:23
Am I delighting, yea delighting in the death of the wicked, averring is my Lord Yahweh, and not rather in his turning back from his ways that he may live?

(CLV) Ezk 18:24
Yet when the righteous one turns back from his righteousness and commits iniquity like all the abhorrences which the wicked one commits, shall he do so and live? All his righteous acts which he did shall not be remembered; in his offense with which he offended and in his sin with which he sinned, in them shall he die.

Again, the message has been consistent from Moses to Yahshua, repent and live.

You are posting verses that are addressing a person turning from their evil ways so God would not take their physical life.
 
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So, my suggestion is to read the New Covenant which starts at Romans, for understanding, which will help you see why we are no longer under the Old Testament/Old Covenant.
The is a difference between a law, and a covenant (contract). Do you understand the difference? If so please explain the difference.

Let's look at this contract.

Jer 31:31
Behold, the days are coming, averring is Yahweh, when I will contract a (חדשה) covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

châdash, khaw-dash'; a primitive root; to be new; causatively, to rebuild:—renew, repair.
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)

STRONGS H2318:
† [חָדַשׁ] verb only Pi. (and Hithp.) renew, repair (in poetry and late) (Late Hebrew id., Phoenician חדש; noun חדש new moon, also in קרתחדשת new-city£½Carthage; Aramaic Tedfo and חַדֵּשׁ; Arabic حَدَثَ be new, Ethiopic ሐደለ፡ I. 2. renew; Sabean החדתֿ, see Os (Levy): ZMG 1865, 204 MordtZMG 1876, 30; Assyrian [adâڑu], uddiڑ, renew, eڑڑu, new, etc. DlW 199 ff.) —
Pi. Perfect וְחִדְּשׁוּ consecutive Isaiah 61:4; Imperfect וַיְחַדֵּשׁ 2 Chronicles 15:8; 2nd person masculine singular תְּחַדֵּשׁ Job 10:17; Psalm 104:30; וּנְחַדֵּשׁ 1 Samuel 11:14; Imperative חַדֵּשׁ Psalm 51:21; Infinitive לְחַדֵּשׁ 2 Chronicles 24:4, 12; —
1. renew, make anew הַמְּלוּכָה 1 Samuel 11:14 (editorial); פני אדמה Psalm 104:30, רוּחַ Psalm 51:12 (|| בּרא); = bring back יָמֵינוּ כְּקֶדֶם Lamentations 5:21; עדיך ח׳ Job 10:17 i.e. bringest fresh (new) witnesses.

OK so he said that he will be renewing his covenant, with Judah and the lost tribes. The lost tribes were out of covenant even at that time.

So how will we recognize this renewed covenant? What are the terms?


(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law (Torah) within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

Notice that YHWH has reunited the lost tribes of Israel with Judah in this renewed covenant. It's all one Israel again.

Is YHWH's eternal Torah written on your heart?
 
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I quoted Yahshua.


It didn't change YHWH's eternal directions (law).

Here is what Yahshua said:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.


If you want to know what they mean; you might start with a more accurate translation.

(CLV) 2Co 3:13
and are not even as Moses. He placed a covering over his face, so that the sons of Israel were not to look intently to the consummation of that which is being nullified.

(CLV) 2Co 3:16
Yet if ever it should reach a turning back to the Lord, the covering is taken from about it.)

(CLV) 2Co 3:15
But till today, if ever the reading of Moses should be reached, a covering is lying on their heart.

(CLV) 2Co 3:16
Yet if ever it should reach a turning back to the Lord, the covering is taken from about it.)

The words in grey do not appear in the Greek manuscripts.

This verse speaks of the covenant being nullified; and that covenant was nullified long before Yahshua came, by those who broke it. YHWH's eternal direction (law stand forever. YHWH said it. Moses repeated it. David repeated it. YHWH's Prophets repeated it. Yahshua repeated it. Paul confirmed it.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

Paul was a slave to YHWH's Torah.


(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

Paul walked according to the Torah after coming to Yahshua.


(CLV) Php 3:6
in relation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in relation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.

Yahshua obeyed the Torah blamelessly. He is our example.


(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.
I see the issue now. The Bible translation you are using has changed the meaning of various Bible verses from the original. The CLV It is not accurate and is not reliable.
 
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You are posting verses that are addressing a person turning from their evil ways so God would not take their physical life.
Almost everyone dies the first death, even if they have repented. The law is spiritual. YHWH is speaking in spiritual terms.
 
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I see the issue now. The Bible translation you are using has changed the meaning of various Bible verses from the original. The CLV It is not accurate and is not reliable.
Nonsense. I diligently went through the trouble of ommiting all of the words not found in the Greek manuscripts; so that you would have no way to defend your corrupt translation.
 
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Everyone dies the first death, even if they have repented. The law is spiritual. YHWH is speaking in spiritual terms.
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I did not say a person will not die. I was saying that if the person doing evil turns from their evil, God would not take their physical life before their appointed time to die. Go and read the account of the 12 spies and the ones who gave a bad report, God took their physical lives before they lived out their natural life.

This is my last reply to you, i have stated that i believe Eternal Life is received by belief in Jesus and not living a righteous life and obeying the law. If you do not agree, fine but i do not believe what you believe and i will never believe that is how to receive Eternal Life.
 
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The is a difference between a law, and a covenant (contract). Do you understand the difference? If so please explain the difference.

Let's look at this contract.

Jer 31:31
Behold, the days are coming, averring is Yahweh, when I will contract a (חדשה) covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

châdash, khaw-dash'; a primitive root; to be new; causatively, to rebuild:—renew, repair.
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)

STRONGS H2318:
† [חָדַשׁ] verb only Pi. (and Hithp.) renew, repair (in poetry and late) (Late Hebrew id., Phoenician חדש; noun חדש new moon, also in קרתחדשת new-city£½Carthage; Aramaic Tedfo and חַדֵּשׁ; Arabic حَدَثَ be new, Ethiopic ሐደለ፡ I. 2. renew; Sabean החדתֿ, see Os (Levy): ZMG 1865, 204 MordtZMG 1876, 30; Assyrian [adâڑu], uddiڑ, renew, eڑڑu, new, etc. DlW 199 ff.) —
Pi. Perfect וְחִדְּשׁוּ consecutive Isaiah 61:4; Imperfect וַיְחַדֵּשׁ 2 Chronicles 15:8; 2nd person masculine singular תְּחַדֵּשׁ Job 10:17; Psalm 104:30; וּנְחַדֵּשׁ 1 Samuel 11:14; Imperative חַדֵּשׁ Psalm 51:21; Infinitive לְחַדֵּשׁ 2 Chronicles 24:4, 12; —
1. renew, make anew הַמְּלוּכָה 1 Samuel 11:14 (editorial); פני אדמה Psalm 104:30, רוּחַ Psalm 51:12 (|| בּרא); = bring back יָמֵינוּ כְּקֶדֶם Lamentations 5:21; עדיך ח׳ Job 10:17 i.e. bringest fresh (new) witnesses.

OK so he said that he will be renewing his covenant, with Judah and the lost tribes. The lost tribes were out of covenant even at that time.

So how will we recognize this renewed covenant? What are the terms?


(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law (Torah) within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

Notice that YHWH has reunited the lost tribes of Israel with Judah in this renewed covenant. It's all one Israel again.

Is YHWH's eternal Torah written on your heart?

Under the old covenant - the shared agreement between God and Israel, there were many laws: Cleanliness laws, dietary laws, sabbath laws, servant laws, neighbor laws, tithing laws, land laws, worship laws, temple laws, etc. These laws made up the covenant. You can’t separate the laws from the covenant.

And you are still quoting the Old Testament, thus ignoring the fact that we are under the New Testament - a New Covenant.
 
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Under the old covenant - the shared agreement between God and Israel, there were many laws: Cleanliness laws, dietary laws, sabbath laws, servant laws, neighbor laws, tithing laws, land laws, worship laws, temple laws, etc. These laws made up the covenant. You can’t separate the laws from the covenant.

And you are still quoting the Old Testament, thus ignoring the New Testament.
Is this better?:

(CLV) Hb 8:8
For, blaming them, He is saying, "Lo! the days are coming," the Lord is saying, "And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a (καινην) covenant,

(CLV) Hb 8:9
Not in accord with the covenant which I make with their fathers In the day of My taking hold of their hand To be leading them out of the land of Egypt, Seeing that they do not remain in My covenant, And I neglect them," the Lord is saying,

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Is YHWH's eternal Torah written on your heart?
 
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I did not say a person will not die. I was saying that if the person doing evil turns from their evil, God would not take their physical life before their appointed time to die. Go and read the account of the 12 spies and the ones who gave a bad report, God took their physical lives before they lived out their natural life.

This is my last reply to you, i have stated that i believe Eternal Life is received by belief in Jesus and not living a righteous life and obeying the law. If you do not agree, fine but i do not believe what you believe and i will never believe that is how to receive Eternal Life.
(CLV) Ro 6:16
Are you not aware that to whom you are presenting yourselves as slaves for obedience, his slaves you are, whom you are obeying, whether of Sin for death, or of Obedience for righteousness?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.
 
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Is this better?:

(CLV) Hb 8:8
For, blaming them, He is saying, "Lo! the days are coming," the Lord is saying, "And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a (καινην) covenant,

(CLV) Hb 8:9
Not in accord with the covenant which I make with their fathers In the day of My taking hold of their hand To be leading them out of the land of Egypt, Seeing that they do not remain in My covenant, And I neglect them," the Lord is saying,

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Is YHWH's eternal Torah written on your heart?
Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV
Ezekiel 36:26 KJV

These two scripture are prophesies relating to the new covenant where the laws will now be written in the believers inward parts, and on the believer’s heart by the Spirit. These scriptures are telling us Gods will remove the requirements of the law Israel was under, and instead of keeping ordinances, and days, we will have His righteous Spirit in our hearts which makes us righteous, Romans 8:10 KJV, Romans 8:2 KJV.

The New Covenant tells us how God accomplished this. When we come to Christ, God gives us the Holy Spirit Who dwells in the body of the believer, Romans 8:9 KJV.

This above scriptures relate to the new birth, 1 John 3:9-10 KJV, which is what Jesus talked with Nicodemus about, John 3:3-6 KJV. John 7:38-39 KJV speaks of the same Spirit. Notice the scripture says the Holy Spirit had not been given yet because Jesus had not been glorified.

So, God writing the laws on our hearts could not take place until Jesus death on the cross where He brought in the full force of the New Testament. This is what Paul is telling us. A testament cannot be in affect until the testator dies, Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV. Jesus is the testator of the New Testament.

We can’t just take a scripture and run with it. We must study the scriptures for the meaning, 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. There is a blindness God placed on the scriptures. Only His elect can discern the scriptures, and the rest are blinded, Romans 11:7-8 KJV. The Holy Spirit teaches. We are given discernment by the Spirit in our heart and in our mind.

God tells us in Ezekiel 36:27 KJV, that He will put his Spirit in us and cause us to walk in His status and we shall keep His judgments. So, it is not of works, that is, it is not keeping the law, but through the Spirit that God gives us in Jesus; we are washed, regenerated, and renewed, Titus 3:5-6 KJV. We are reborn, 1 Peter 1:23 KJV, of incorruptible seed. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV speaks of the same thing.


To answer your question, yes God’s laws are written in my heart by His Spirit. This Power is not something we can grab at or control, John 3:8 KJV. The magnificence of the Spirit coming upon us cannot be denied.
 
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These two scripture are prophesies relating to the new covenant where the laws will now be written in the believers inward parts, and on the believer’s heart by the Spirit. These scriptures are telling us Gods will remove the requirements of the law Israel was under, and instead of keeping ordinances, and days, we will have His righteous Spirit in our hearts which makes us righteous, Romans 8:10 KJV, Romans 8:2 KJV.
You're mistaken. As Paul's letters are difficult to understand; you would do well to study them carefully. As Paul taught almost exclusively from the TaNaK; you would do well to get a strong foundation in the TaNaK before attempting to understand Paul's letters.

For starters you aren't even in the right chapter.

Paul mentions at least 8 different types of law in that letter.

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)

YHWH's Law appears in chapter 7; but that's still not close enough. YHWH wasn't speaking of The Law of Paul's Mind, A Different Law, nor The Law of Sin, in Jeremiah 31.

Here is Paul's reference to YHWH's law:


25 I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law."

Slaving for YHWH;s law...
 
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The New Covenant tells us how God accomplished this. When we come to Christ, God gives us the Holy Spirit Who dwells in the body of the believer, Romans 8:9 KJV.
Over 45,000 denominations can't agree on their doctrine; but they all have one thing in common. They all claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

How do you test the spirits?

I test them by YHWH's word.
 
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You're mistaken. As Paul's letters are difficult to understand; you would do well to study them carefully. As Paul taught almost exclusively from the TaNaK; you would do well to get a strong foundation in the TaNaK before attempting to understand Paul's letters.

For starters you aren't even in the right chapter.

Paul mentions at least 8 different types of law in that letter.

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)

YHWH's Law appears in chapter 7; but that's still not close enough. YHWH wasn't speaking of The Law of Paul's Mind, A Different Law, nor The Law of Sin, in Jeremiah 31.

Here is Paul's reference to YHWH's law:


25 I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law."

Slaving for YHWH;s law...
Ok, we don’t see the scriptures the same.
 
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Over 45,000 denominations can't agree on their doctrine; but they all have one thing in common. They all claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

How do you test the spirits?

I test them by YHWH's word.
Yes, we are to test every Spirit to see if they are of God.

But you asked, “is YHWH's eternal Torah written on your heart?” I replied to you by speaking of my personal experience.

And if you have not experienced the indwelling Spirit, the way the Bible speaks of, then it would be difficult for you to understand.
 
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How do you test the spirits?

I test them by YHWH's word.
Testing the spirit and having the indwelling Spirit is two different things.

Testing the spirit is relating to false prophets or false teachers.

The indwelling Spirit is given to the believer by God.
 
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