Hamas-Israel News Thread

[wing2000]

That's a concern, but it's not a reason to not try to destroy Hamas.

Agreed.

I also realize it's easy to critique Israel's methods while living in a country that is not under constant threat from nearby enemies. To use an imperfect example.....had the Mexican cartel crossed the US border and killed 40k+ Americans in a US city (US has 33 times the population of Israel), our reponse would be swift with higher tolerance for "collateral damage."

 

[Chesterton]

Agreed.

I also realize it's easy to critique Israel's methods while living in a country that is not under constant threat from nearby enemies. To use an imperfect example.....had the Mexican cartel crossed the US border and killed 40k+ Americans in a US city (US has 33 times the population of Israel), our reponse would be swift with higher tolerance for "collateral damage."

Agreed. And another thing to bear in mind - a country like America could "afford" to lose a war like Vietnam. Russia might be able to afford to lose a war like Ukraine. Tiny little Israel, surrounded by hateful enemies, cannot afford to lose. We sometimes throw around the term "existential threat". Israel faces a threat which is truly, literally existential.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Terrorism is not right. Mass murdering families is not of God. It is evil. If Israel cannot get at the Hamas terrorists without collective punishment and terrorism of a heavily populated area, then I say they can make a new plan, Sam.

During the WW2 70,000 Britons were killed in bombing. 2 million German civillians died in their country, and many of them opposed the Nazis. It is an unfortunate cost of war.

Or should Britain and allies found another way? According to your logic, yes. I wonder why no one complains of the dead Germans during WW2...hmm

 

[civilwarbuff]

Israel have not used the "it was a misfiring Hamas rocket" excuse this time. They have admitted they bombed the refugee camp and of course are saying it was a Hamas base.

You have evidence that it wasn't? If so, please lay it out for us.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Hamas doesn't have the firepower to threaten the existence of Israel but Israel has the firepower to obliterate Gaza.

They killed hundreds of people.

 

[Valletta]

Israel have not used the "it was a misfiring Hamas rocket" excuse this time. They have admitted they bombed the refugee camp and of course are saying it was a Hamas base.

The Hamas camp is in the north, the real refugees went south.

 

[ralliann]

If the propaganda is that atrociously bad, yes.

I think I did that in my post you responded to.

Well, what do you call LGBTQ support to Hamas? They either are aware they kill LGBTQ people, or they are ignorant of it. It is hypocrisy for the very same crowd that harassed others in support of Lgbtq, which are now supporting those that would kill them, against a people (Israel) that do not. This shows insincerity (evil), or ignorance. Like Tlib, having both LGBTQ flag and Palestinian flag hanging in her office. You think she does so out of ignorance? No! She knows full well they would be dead in Palestine.

 

[Chesterton]

Well, what do you call LGBTQ support to Hamas?

I call it Clown World. Might be a stale meme, but I can't think of anything better to call it.

 

[truthpls]

During the WW2 70,000 Britons were killed in bombing. 2 million German civillians died in their country, and many of them opposed the Nazis. It is an unfortunate cost of war.

Or should Britain and allies found another way? According to your logic, yes. I wonder why no one complains of the dead Germans during WW2...hmm

If this was a thread about that they would

 

[Valletta]

"This image is almost certainly AI-generated," said Hany Farid, professor at the University of California, Berkeley and expert in digital forensics, misinformation and image analysis, on October 30. "In addition to our models classifying it as AI, there are telltale signs in the image like the misshapen arm of the adult," the professor noted.
According to the director of the Media Forensic Lab at the University of Buffalo, Siwei Lyu, the image classifies "as AI generated by recent detection algorithms."

Image of Palestinian carrying children out of rubble shows signs of AI

An image of a man carrying children through rubble has been shared tens of thousands of times on social media in posts linking it to the bombing of Gaza amid a war triggered by a deadly Hamas attack on Israel. But experts say the image shows signs of artificial intelligence and it was not...

www.yahoo.com

 

[ralliann]

I call it Clown World. Might be a stale meme, but I can't think of anything better to call it.

Yeah, until they succeed and turn on those they used to gain power. After gaining sufficient power they will then turn on those which helped them gain it. Then clown world becomes something else entirely not so funny.

 

[Vanellus]

The Hamas camp is in the north, the real refugees went south.

Assertion without evidence plus pejorative use of "real" e.g. "real" Americans support Trump

edit; did the dead count as "real" human beings?

 

[civilwarbuff]

"This image is almost certainly AI-generated," said Hany Farid, professor at the University of California, Berkeley and expert in digital forensics, misinformation and image analysis, on October 30. "In addition to our models classifying it as AI, there are telltale signs in the image like the misshapen arm of the adult," the professor noted.
According to the director of the Media Forensic Lab at the University of Buffalo, Siwei Lyu, the image classifies "as AI generated by recent detection algorithms."

Image of Palestinian carrying children out of rubble shows signs of AI

An image of a man carrying children through rubble has been shared tens of thousands of times on social media in posts linking it to the bombing of Gaza amid a war triggered by a deadly Hamas attack on Israel. But experts say the image shows signs of artificial intelligence and it was not...

www.yahoo.com

Very Interesting. I have read articles about such manipulation but this is the 1st time I have seen it in action. There will probably be many more before this war is over.....

 

[Vanellus]

They killed hundreds of people.

Which of course is an atrocity but the population of Israel is millions not 100s

 

[rjs330]

Hamas is not a race of people wiping them out would not be genocide

Thats what the Palestinians want to do to the Jews.

 

[rjs330]

Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf

Yeah genocide doesn't apply to Hamas. Just like he said.

 

[JosephZ]

Yeah genocide doesn't apply to Hamas. Just like he said.

That's correct and I agree with him 100%.

Eliminating Hamas certainly wouldn't be considered an act of genocide.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Amos 1 6 Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Gaza,
and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they carried into exile a whole people to deliver them up to Edom. 7 So I will send a fire upon the wall of Gaza, and it shall devour her strongholds. 8 I will cut off the inhabitants from Ashdod, and him who holds the scepter from Ashkelon;
I will turn my hand against Ekron,
and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish,” says the Lord God.

Zephaniah 2 4For Gaza shall be deserted,

Zechariah 9 5 Ashkelon shall see it, and be afraid;
Gaza too, and shall writhe in anguish;

 

[rjs330]

Well, being attacked by ground forces is much different than a 500lb bomb falling on ones house. At least one has a chance of surviving if an Israeli soldier breaks through your front door.

Not an issue. Bombing is a legit part of war to eliminate the enemy and his infrastructure. And if the enemy is using humans shields it's legitimate to go after the enemy.

 

[rjs330]

Which of course is an atrocity but the population of Israel is millions not 100s

What's your point?