Hamas-Israel News Thread

[truthpls]

Because you say so, because Israel is going after the real terrorists.

Real terrorists deny water and medical and power and food and bomb fleeing convoys and apartment after apartment building with people in them

 

[Valletta]

It is Hamas that puts babies in harms way, they have shown themselves to be extreme cowards. The reports are that Hamas is shooting at the civilians who dare defy them and go for humanitarian aid. Look, if someone throws a baby in front of a moving train, is the train conductor the murderer, is the conductor responsible? No, it is the person who puts the baby in harms way. The jihadists are fearful, they beg for people to intervene to save them, to not hold them accountable for their crimes. They blame Israel for all of their actions. They want the world to plead for them, to say how dare Israel harm them. They are happy to see civilians die in their place.

 

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[Ana the Ist]

Occasional?

Yeah, occasional.

Granted Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields so I'm sure they die more often than is typical for civilians...but that's Hamas' fault. Hanas knows where all of its military weapons are, they know where they have headquarters located, they know where there are open spaces they could strike from. If Hamas wanted to...they could tell Palestinian civilians to avoid and move away from areas Hamas is operating in....but they don't. That's Hamas' fault.

Hamas uses human shields. They took hostages for this purpose. They even blame Israel when their own rockets kill Palestinians on accident.

Targeting an apartment is purposeful, regardless of supposed warnings.

And I'm sure they had good reasons.

I think the terrorists deserve sever justice.

I agree.

But now Israel is the terrorist as well.

Nope. They're legitimately targeting terrorists who cruelly killed and tortured innocent women and children. It's not Israel's fault that Hamas uses human shields.

 

[Ana the Ist]

A better question would be to ask whether the barbed wire, bombed out airport and etc added to reasons why they would want to take up arms

No reason to ask that question....they were already taking up arms long before that.

Yes, there have been problems since people were forced out of their lands.

Are you referring to the Jews forced out of Europe here? Or the Jews forced out of middle east Arabic lands like Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, etc?

In other words they tried to fight back?

Fight back against what?

They fought and lost. They can accept defeat and live peacefully....or they can keep fighting...but if they keep fighting, there's no reason why I should sympathize with them as they lose. They made their choice. If they want to die for a losing fight....they will.

Maybe some felt life was more than bread. Justice and freedom are things people yearn for also.

Justice for what exactly?

One might ask if Israel accepted such deals? I seem to remember Rabin tried, and had a bad ending.

Yeah...Israel actually proposed a 2 state deal long before any war broke out that the Palestinians completely rejected. They wanted war...and they lost when they got it.

As do all nations. That does not mean targeting civilians.

Hamas shouldn't use civilians as shields then. Hamas shouldn't murder innocent civilians instead of attacking military targets then.

Prison camps do have their problems

I don't see what that has to do with the current situation.

I do. Terrorism on any side is evil. So how do you stop that?

Kill the terrorists.

I would imagine that addressing the problems rather than compounding them might be a strategy.

The problem as Hamas describes it....is that Israel exists. They want the total annihilation of Israel and death of all Jewish people worldwide.

That's not a problem I'm willing to consider helping them with.

If you want to help them with their problem....I'd like to hear how you'd do it?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Israel Hamas war: Civil order 'breaks down' in Gaza as strikes damage hospital and death toll rises​

The Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) has announced that Israeli strikes on Sunday damaged sections in the packed Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza City, after receiving two phone calls from the Israeli military to evacuate.

The PRCS-run hospital administration said that evacuating the hospital was impossible, as its hundreds of patients included children in incubators and wounded people in the intensive-care unit. In a statement, it said many of the 14,000 people seeking shelter there are Palestinians displaced by the ongoing Hamas-Israel war.

Israeli strikes targeted areas around the hospital throughout Sunday. The director-general of the World Health Organization has previously said that it would be “impossible” to evacuate hospitals without endangering people’s lives.

Israel Hamas war: Civil order 'breaks down' in Gaza as strikes damage hospital and death toll rises

All the latest developments from the Israel Hamas war.

www.euronews.com

This is another problem - a phone call to evacuate a hospital is simply not a doable plan.

Then Hamas shouldn't use hospital residents for human shields.

Detained terrorists admit Hamas using hospitals to shield themselves

Member of Hamas's elite Nukhba force says terror group using medical institutions, especially Gaza City's Shifa Hospital, because 'you won’t strike them'

www.ynetnews.com

During his interrogation, Amer Abu Awash, a member of Hamas's elite Nukhba force, was asked about the connection between hospitals in Gaza and the Palestinian enclave's vast system of subterranean tunnels, to which he responded, “most of them are hidden in the hospitals. (At) Shifa for example (the hospital), there are underground levels… Shifa is not small, it is a big place that can be used to hide things."



This is why they can't have nice things. They were warned. They had a choice. Now they can live with the consequences if they survive. Blame Hamas for using hospitals as bases of operations.

 

[ralliann]

Real terrorists deny water and medical and power and food and bomb fleeing convoys and apartment after apartment building with people in them

All you are doing is encouraging Hamas to put civilians in danger and misery. Hamas uses it's own water pipes to make their bombs. These people suffer because of this kind of rhetoric.

 

[truthpls]

No reason to ask that question....they were already taking up arms long before that.

The problem started when lands were taken, no? How could there be Jewish Palestinian problem before 1948?

Are you referring to the Jews forced out of Europe here? Or the Jews forced out of middle east Arabic lands like Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, etc?

The 700,000 forced from Israel, according to wiki

Fight back against what?

Losing lands becoming refugees and being oppressed?

They fought and lost. They can accept defeat and live peacefully....or they can keep fighting...but if they keep fighting, there's no reason why I should sympathize with them as they lose. They made their choice. If they want to die for a losing fight....they will.

So if a home invader kicks you out of your house, and you fight back but lose, the house is theirs? No. You call the police. In the case of Gaza and the West Bank there is no one to call to help them. You don't blame a victim for not being able to lick the home invaders.

Justice for what exactly?

For folks who were forced out of their homes and lands that used to live in what is now called Israel (not in a true sense since they are unbelievers)

Yeah...Israel actually proposed a 2 state deal long before any war broke out that the Palestinians completely rejected. They wanted war...and they lost when they got it.

I guess whatever was proposed was not considered a good deal

Hamas shouldn't use civilians as shields then.

And Israel shouldn't blow people up by the apartment full.

Hamas shouldn't murder innocent civilians instead of attacking military targets then.

As should not Israel

Kill the terrorists.

Soon as you can find them. meanwhile leave the babies alone.

The problem as Hamas describes it....is that Israel exists. They want the total annihilation of Israel and death of all Jewish people worldwide.

People want all sorts of things. No reason to blow untold thousands of civilians to smithereens

That's not a problem I'm willing to consider helping them with.

Guess your vote is what it is then

If you want to help them with their problem....I'd like to hear how you'd do it?

The problem at hand is being terrorized and killed and collectively punished.

 

[truthpls]

All you are doing is encouraging Hamas to put civilians in danger and misery.

So by not wanting to deny water and medical and power and food one is encouraging Hamas?

Hamas uses it's own water pipes to make their bombs. These people suffer because of this kind of rhetoric.

You think that after being denied water for the population some 18 days or whatever, that people there would be using water pipes for bombs now? Why stop the aid convoys from getting in?

 

[Landon Caeli]

The problem started when lands were taken, no? How could there be Jewish Palestinian problem before 1948?

NO, it started when Jews were buying land. Please view the anti-Jewish terrorism that began in the early 1920's, by Islamic terrorists... It's always been Islamic terrorism... On, and on, and on... And still is... Why..? Because Mohammad was a terrorist, and these killers are the students of Islam's most UNholy "prophet".

• The Great Palestinian Revolt (Thawrat Filastin al-Kubra),[11] lasted from 1936 until 1939, demanding Arab independence and the end of the policy of open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases
• The Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron,
• By 1935, Black Hand had several hundred men - the figures differ from 200 to 800 - organised in cells of 5 men, and arranged military training for peasants.[2][5] The cells were equipped with bombs and firearms, which they used to raid Jewish settlements and sabotage British-constructed rail lines.[6

1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Black Hand (Mandatory Palestine) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Valletta]

So by not wanting to deny water and medical and power and food one is encouraging Hamas?

UN agencies reported that supply via one of the pipelines restarted last Tuesday at a reduced rate, but that by Wednesday it was at full capacity, providing 14.4 million liters of water a day.
COGAT said that with the opening of the second pipeline, there is now sufficient water and food to answer Gaza’s humanitarian requirements, adding that the agency is constantly monitoring the humanitarian situation in the territory.
. . . At least two of the desalination plants are running at some capacity, although the status of the water treatment facilities is not currently known.

Israel reopens second of three water pipelines into Gaza

Israeli liaison says the territory is receiving 28.5 million liters of potable water a day, insists there is 'no shortage' of food

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[truthpls]

NO. Please view the anti-Jewish terrorism that began in the early 1920's, by Islamic terrorists..

• The Great Palestinian Revolt (Thawrat Filastin al-Kubra),[11] lasted from 1936 until 1939, demanding Arab independence and the end of the policy of open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases
• The Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron,
• By 1935, Black Hand had several hundred men - the figures differ from 200 to 800 - organised in cells of 5 men, and arranged military training for peasants.[2][5] The cells were equipped with bombs and firearms, which they used to raid Jewish settlements and sabotage British-constructed rail lines.[6

1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Black Hand (Mandatory Palestine) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NO. Please view the anti-Jewish terrorism that began in the early 1920's, by Islamic terrorists..

• The Great Palestinian Revolt (Thawrat Filastin al-Kubra),[11] lasted from 1936 until 1939, demanding Arab independence and the end of the policy of open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases

It says that was against Britain, as well as the policy of "open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases with the stated goal of establishing a "Jewish National Home"

Basically against being invaded.

• The Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron,

Reactionary violence. This seems to show that the imposed immigration was not a good mix for the area, Did anyone take the hint?

• By 1935, Black Hand had several hundred men - the figures differ from 200 to 800 - organised in cells of 5 men, and arranged military training for peasants.[2][5] The cells were equipped with bombs and firearms, which they used to raid Jewish settlements and sabotage British-constructed rail lines.[6

"The Black Hand (Arabic: الكف الاسود, romanized: al-Kaff al-Aswad) was an anti-Zionist and anti-British Jihadist militant organization" -wiki
The problem kept getting bigger and resentment against Britain therefore as well. Perhaps if the people of that land had a say in who could immigrate the problems would have reduced rather than grow exponentially

When 700,000 had to flee Israel, it became a problem that would not go away.

 

[trophy33]

Then Hamas shouldn't use hospital residents for human shields.

I agree, Hamas should not use hospitals for human shields.

Do you agree that Israel should not do massive bombing of targets full of civilians?

This is why they can't have nice things. They were warned. They had a choice. Now they can live with the consequences if they survive. Blame Hamas for using hospitals as bases of operations.

Being warned solves nothing, you cannot immediately evacuate a hospital with hundreds of people, children in incubators, people in intensive care etc. Its not possible.

 

[Landon Caeli]

It says that was against Britain, as well as the policy of "open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases with the stated goal of establishing a "Jewish National Home"

Basically against being invaded.

Reactionary violence. This seems to show that the imposed immigration was not a good mix for the area, Did anyone take the hint?


"The Black Hand (Arabic: الكف الاسود, romanized: al-Kaff al-Aswad) was an anti-Zionist and anti-British Jihadist militant organization" -wiki
The problem kept getting bigger and resentment against Britain therefore as well. Perhaps if the people of that land had a say in who could immigrate the problems would have reduced rather than grow exponentially

When 700,000 had to flee Israel, it became a problem that would not go away.

I spent a lot of time on that, just for you to throw it down and, and within 10 seconds, stomp all over it like it was nothing. At least humor me in my efforts.

...Maybe take a couple seconds to think about it? instead of dismissing it on contact..?

 

[trophy33]

And who are you to be giving me orders? You've got problems, son.

Its a rule of conversation. Why should I be the only one answering yours?

 

[trophy33]

@Ana the Ist, @Landon Caeli , @Hank77, @civilwarbuff

Let us simplify our conversation:
Are you able to simply admit that both sides, Palestinians and Jews, did and do wrong things to each other? That both lives matter and that the life of one ethnicity is not more worth than of the other one?

If you cannot do that, your siding with one specific side is not factual, but fanatical, religious. Ask yourself how you got to behave and think in a way that is sensitive to suffering of only one side and dismissive of the other.

 

[truthpls]

UN agencies reported that supply via one of the pipelines restarted last Tuesday at a reduced rate, but that by Wednesday it was at full capacity, providing 14.4 million liters of water a day.
COGAT said that with the opening of the second pipeline, there is now sufficient water and food to answer Gaza’s humanitarian requirements, adding that the agency is constantly monitoring the humanitarian situation in the territory.
. . . At least two of the desalination plants are running at some capacity, although the status of the water treatment facilities is not currently known.

Israel reopens second of three water pipelines into Gaza

Israeli liaison says the territory is receiving 28.5 million liters of potable water a day, insists there is 'no shortage' of food

www.timesofisrael.com

COGAT is a unit of Israeli defense ministry.

"
The head of civil affairs of COGAT, the Israeli defense body responsible for Palestinian civilian affairs, said Israel had established a “humanitarian zone” near the southern city of Khan Younis and recommended that Palestinians flee there.


But Elad Goren provided no details on the exact location or how much aid would be available. He also said Israel has opened two water lines in southern Gaza within the past week. The AP could not independently verify that either line was functioning."

More aid arrives in Gaza as desperation mounts and Israel widens military offensive

Nearly three dozen trucks entered Gaza on Sunday in the largest aid convoy since the war between Israel and Hamas began, but humanitarian workers said the assistance still fell desperately short of needs after thousands of people broke into warehouses to take flour and basic hygiene products.

www.pbs.org

 

[truthpls]

I spent a lot of time on that, just for you to throw it down and, and within 10 seconds, stomp all over it like it was nothing. At least humor me in my efforts.

...Maybe take a couple seconds to think about it? instead of dismissing it on contact..?

The problem started when Jewish immigration was forced on the area. Not that Jews are not great folks, but the mix was not good. The more time went by and the more Jewish the area became the greater the problems became. So, is it hard to figure out that the problem began with that and became worse till all the land belonged to Jews almost? So, what is the solution? Unless they can get along, one or the other might need to go?

 

[Landon Caeli]

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[trophy33]

Meh, there's really no use trying to reason with posters who dismiss everything. Every...single...thing..!

Exactly. So why do you dismiss everything for one side and argue only for another? Jews are not perfect angels and Arabs are not the embodiment of all evil.