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Hamas-Israel News Thread

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trophy33

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I said MOST things on the list. Is Israel at war? Yes.
And by MOST you mean almost nothing, right? Anyway, Israel is at war few days, while these things happen for decades.

If I know Israel is involved in bad things I have no problem calling them out on it. Here's one...
Orthodox Jews in Israel treat Messianic Jews like dogs and try to put them out of business.
And now try to say something about bad things towards non-Jews, namely Palestinians, which is our context.
 
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And by MOST you mean almost nothing, right? Anyway, Israel is at war few days, while these things happen for decades.


And now try to say something about bad things towards non-Jews, namely Palestinians, which is our context.
No MOST meant MOST not almost nothing. You have become quite contrary.
 
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No MOST meant MOST not almost nothing. You have become quite contrary.
I think you understand my point. You said most, but actually almost nothing from the list is "just war". All is against international law.

Do you admit Israel does wrong, illegal things to Palestinians?

Also, do you dismiss it and say "its war" when Palestinians do it to Jews?

Stop ignoring my questions.
 
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How is beating civilians, killing civilians or breaking their arms or creating illegal settlements or blockading international aid or racism "war"? Will you admit no bad thing, when Israel is involved?

Also, do you dismiss it and say "its war" when Palestinians do it to Jews?
A high percentage of those encountered are Hamas or jihad supporters. The jihadists goal is to exterminate every Jew. These people have already refused to obey Israeli orders to move south. While the jihadists would make sure to kill every Jewish civilian, after raping and torturing them if they had the time, the Israeli military shows great restraint. But if any "civilian" pulls out a gun or attacks an Israeli soldier or refuses to show their hands they will likely be roughed up or end up dead. Yes Hamas is preventing aid to many civilians and causing the death of many civilians, but it will take time to hunt down each terrorist. As has been said the neighboring countries are not helping the hunt for the terrorists.
 
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A high percentage of those encountered are Hamas or jihad supporters. The jihadists goal is to exterminate every Jew. These people have already refused to obey Israeli orders to move south. While the jihadists would make sure to kill every Jewish civilian, after raping and torturing them if they had the time, the Israeli military shows great restraint. But if any "civilian" pulls out a gun or attacks an Israeli soldier or refuses to show their hands they will likely be roughed up or end up dead. Yes Hamas is preventing aid to many civilians and causing the death of many civilians, but it will take time to hunt down each terrorist. As has been said the neighboring countries are not helping the hunt for the terrorists.
It seems you are another one here who is simply unable to admit Israel also does wrong things. I do not know why that is, but its probably something religious. Is your church believing Israel is God's people or something like that?
 
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It seems you are another one here who is simply mentally unable to admit Israel also does wrong things. I do not know why that is, but its probably something religious. Is your church believing Israel is God's people or something like that?
False, my comments are clear. Every country in the world does wrong things. But the attack on babies and other innocents is a horrific attack on Jews that is the most wanton since the Holocaust. It seems to me that some people on these threads seem to want to brush that off. Do you believe in the jihadist cause?
 
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No "if" in the post.
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Also, would you dismiss it and said "its war" if Palestinians did it to Jews?

Uhhhhh, wrong again.....See #1070
So again, would you like to make sense?
 
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Its a documentary, it needs context, not a timestamp. If you are interested in your original question "what oppression", watch it, when you will have time. If you want to just argue, let us let it be.

Fair enough, just two quick points...

1. I don't consider measures or restrictions on Palestinians done for the purposes of national security "oppression". Israel lives next to a hostile nation that elected terrorists to office. Israel is completely justified in taking some rather extreme measures in dealing with the people of a nation that averages 800-1000 attacks on them every year.

2. Energy, water, and food from Israel to Palestine is aid. If Palestine wants to consider themselves a sovereign nation...and they can smuggle in weapons...they can smuggle in food, water, and solar panels. Israel isn't obligated to feed and power their enemies.

3. Palestinians that sell land to Israelis are, as far as I'm concerned, entering a contract of their own free will. I understand that is a crime punishable by death in Gaza, and I understand that the UN doesn't recognize these as legal settlements. I don't care. It's either land that the Palestinians own and can do with as they please....or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. Native Americans used to pull this same nonsense on their reservations. Some developers would offer tribal members money for their land, they would sell it and move away with the money, and when the tribe realized it was missing a third of its land it would start complaining about how some old treaty was violated. Now those tribes don't own that land....it's held in trust by the US government and the people living there do so in perpetual poverty.


If your documentary has some examples outside of those things...feel free to timestamp it. Otherwise, don't expect me to sit through a 90 minute video. I've posted three minute videos on here that people refuse to watch. I'll consider what examples of oppression you have....but make it concise. 90 minutes in hopes that there's something relevant to be found is too long. I get the feeling I'll watch 30 minutes without even one valid example.
 
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So basically they distribute anything they can make money on, right? I mean, that's what film distributors do. But who actually MADE this so called 'documentary' film and more importantly what is their agenda for making it. I don't see that in there......
I want TRUTHFUL information from sources that can be corroborated instead of some fly-by-night outfit that has a political agenda to push. Are you willing to provide such sources?......or should we just take it that 'Journeyman Films' is your highest standard?
Journeyman Pictures isn't a fly-by-night outfit. They've been around for more than three decades. I've watched a few of their documentaries on the Mindanao conflict and the terrorist groups in that region of the world, and their reporting has been accurate.
 
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Journeyman Pictures isn't a fly-by-night outfit. They've been around for more than three decades. I've watched a few of their documentaries on the Mindanao conflict and the terrorist groups in that region of the world, and their reporting has been accurate.
Still, they are just a distributor, not a creator. Big difference there.......
 
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Hank77 said:
Why won't Egypt help them? Why won't Jordan help them?

I don't know the answers to these questions, do you?
Probably because they don't want to be accomplices in Israel's ethnic clensing of the Palestinian territories.


JZ, how would that make them accomplices? The fact is that the palestinians are the unwanted Arab step-children and nobody wants to take any responsibility for them......except when it is politically expedient that is.......
 
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JZ, how would that make them accomplices?
Because they know that if they allow Palestinian refugees to enter their countries, Israel will not allow them to return in the future, thus making them accomplices in the ethnic clensing of the Palestinians from their land.
 
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I can appreciate your love for your neighbor. That is truly a just and righteous position.

But if we truly love our neighbor, we have to also be willing ro root out the evils of Jihadist terrorism, and protect innocent life.
I think there is a difference between rooting a few terrorists out of an apartment building and blowing the whole thing up
Of course you agree that murder is never the correct response to land grabs... Right..? Surely you know that it is evil and must be stopped at all costs.
I don't think I expect a correct response from non believers generally. If one is living in the Bronx and sets up a KKK village of tents, one might expect that neighbors would not be agreeable. In Israel's case, it is in a Muslim 'neighborhood' and has taken a whole lot of land from people. So if they are expecting some 'correct response' from the prison camps and neighbors, it might be unrealistic. To get a good response from neighbors a minority group in a neighborhood would probably have to be extra friendly, not belligerent and Mr tough guy.
 
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Other countries should be helping to eliminate the Hamas terrorists.
Maybe other countries would rather eliminate the land grabbers.
The quicker this can be done the more lives will be saved.
That would be never if you are waiting for 'other countries' to do it. Eliminate the cause for hatred and anger and maybe it could help. (although it probably has gotten too far for even that to work)
Israel is making a great effort to avoid civilian casualties, do not fall for propaganda.
I don't believe that for a minute
Hamas is afraid and such falsehoods from them should be expected.
Pictures of massive bombed out apartment blocks don't lie.
 
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Because they know that if they allow Palestinian refugees to enter their countries, Israel will not allow them to return in the future, thus making them accomplices in the ethnic clensing of the Palestinians from their land.
Except it is Israel's land to begin with (so no ethnic cleansing, a human concept).....unless you want to dispute that with God.
 
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