Hillary Clinton wants to deprogram MAGA?

[BPPLEE]

Then what was the point of a post attempting to whitewash the violence they committed after their leader told them to fight like hell? Please be specific.

I posted something that Trump actually said. Are you denying that he said it?
He does enough things that deserve criticism there’s no need to make things up.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Are any conservatives allowed to use the term "woke" when describing someone, or something, or is that also considered to be derogatory in the same manner as describing people as MAGA cultists... or something similar to that for the MAGA people?

What is ‘woke’ specifically? It sounds like a made up term and like it’s meant to be insulting. What are some synonyms of woke?

 

[Hazelelponi]

For those having trouble understanding the mentality that is being described a "cultish", here's a few examples of painting Donald as a messiah who is the only one who can save the world. View attachment 337512View attachment 337513View attachment 337514View attachment 337515

No man, nor any political party is able to do that.

That doesn't make them cultists.

Cults aren't cults because they have hope in something I might consider wrong, and they aren't cults because they think outsiders might be dangerous, especially since outsiders, oftentimes ignorantly but intentionally too, usually are..

Cults are cults based on a defined set of reasons.

They are recognized in an inability to criticize the cult leader without reprisal - clearly not the case with Trump. He's criticized on all sides, and in conversation I would easily be able to criticize Trump without any fear from even the most loyal Trump supporter.

They are recognized in it's members not being allowed to leave the group without fear of reprisal... none of that going on. People stop supporting Trump all the time. No one is doxing and targeting former Trump supporters.

No... the shoe can better be applied to the other foot.

Disagreeing with the anti Trump propagandists is what carries a hefty price. Continuing to support Trump is what is being threatened. It's "not allowed". It's not allowed in 94 is it? indictments. It's not allowed in comments like "reeducation of the cultists", it's just not allowed. And if people continue? Who knows we aren't to the end of that train yet...

Those in this country who hold themselves above the law oftentimes have a D behind their name, though I do give there's a general prevalence to wanting to live above the law for anyone in power - maybe that's the draw of power who know? But there's some prominent and untouchable, apparently, Dems right now.

And those who believe they hold the moral authority to reeducate anyone, need to be removing some logs first.

Because whenever you stand on such a high ground that you believe what you believe is so far superior to others that it's your job to teach them what to even think? Your on the shakiest ground of all.

What happened to American politics? Why can't a few people vote for Trump and leave well enough alone in 2024?

Doesn't bother me there's Biden voters this go around... and I think Biden is the worst president in American history.

Yet... I still don't sit around thinking how there's Dems running around who need to come around to my way of thinking, by force if necessary...

I think the biggest lie of all is that Donald Trump is any kind of danger.

I wouldn't hand absolute power to the man, but I wouldn't hand that to anyone. So far the only one's who have as of late proven they have far too much power and are willing to use it against every day people have D's behind their name.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I have watched some of the rallies, and I have not seen any signs at all that people there are worshipping Trump.

Just the fact there are rallies for him even when he’s not running is strange, cult like behavior. I don’t see any other politician having these kinds of rallies dedicated to them and so often like Trump does.

 

[essentialsaltes]

They are recognized in an inability to criticize the cult leader without reprisal - clearly not the case with Trump. He's criticized on all sides

Obviously Trump is criticized. The question is whether he is criticized by those within his 'cult of personality'.

There are plenty who are literally expressing that he can do no wrong, and that he is a messiah-like figure. Only he can fix it.

They are recognized in it's members not being allowed to leave the group without fear of reprisal...

Do we really hafta go through the whole litany of Trump's chosen Cabinet level officials who resigned or were fired and have said unkind things about Trump afterwards?

'Stupid' Mark Milley
"Mark Esper was weak and totally ineffective. I fired 'Yesper' because he was a RINO incapable of leading, and I had to run the military myself."
Donald Trump told supporters in Alabama “do not trust” Jeff Sessions and backed his opponent for the Republican Senate nomination
“[My indictment] is a disgrace and virtually everybody other than a low life like Bill Barr — who I, as you know, I terminated because he was gutless, he wouldn’t do what you’re supposed to do"
"MAGA, or I, will never go for Birdbrain Nikki Haley. No loyalty, plenty of lies!"

Looks like Trump is telling 'MAGA' how to treat Haley.

And of course, who could forget:

“I remember Pat [Cipollone, the White House counsel] saying something to the effect of, ‘Mark, we need to do something more. They’re literally calling for the vice-president to be [doggone] hung.’

“And Mark had responded something to the effect of, ‘You heard him, Pat, he thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.’

 

[GoldenBoy89]

You do understand Trump is campaigning for president right? He is running for office... hence the indictments.

Right now we are in a very precarious position with that too because he can run for office until or unless he becomes a convicted felon.

And he's not stopping his bid.

As a nation that's super dangerous, because what do you think is going to happen should he be elected president and then found guilty of a felony after the fact and removed from office?

In this political environment?

If there's ever anything to worry about with Trump supporters it should be that. That's the thing I'm most worried about ATM. Not even close to knowing all the ways that could be an absolute minefield.

That said I think the left would be equally unpredictable if he actually won another election..

But me? I do see many ways he wouldn't win.... so, there's that. But I think the fixation on making sure he doesn't run is causing scenarios I hadn't previously thought about, so it is always possible that he could win.

Yes, right now he’s running, probably just to avoid prosecution at this point and he gets to use the all too convenient excuse of ‘election interference’ for what we on earth call due process.

But he’s been having these rallies since he left office. He had them throughout this presidency even when he wasn’t up for election. He obviously loves the adulation he gets from his fans. He’s really good at campaigning…. Actually governing, not so much.

But what drives Trump is obvious to everyone. What I can’t figure out is what drives his fan base to stay so fully committed to such a deeply unfaithful man.

That’s where I see some signs of a cult in some people.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump's campaign/legal defense fund solicitation this morning:

News reports show that with over $45.5 million raised, WE more than TRIPLEDthe third-quarter fundraising haul of the RINO’s Deep State-approved candidate.

Shun the heretics!

 

[BPPLEE]

Just the fact there are rallies for him even when he’s not running is strange, cult like behavior. I don’t see any other politician having these kinds of rallies dedicated to them and so often like Trump does.

He is running. So are several other candidates

 

[GoldenBoy89]

He is running. So are several other candidates

Ok.

 

[DaisyDay]

He said those words. I don’t support what happened but he did say to go to the capital and peacefully protest You may have never heard it because some outlets edited the video.

I did hear it as well as read it in the transcript. Please note that I did not say "go peacefully" was not spoken - it was somewhere in the middle, a single mention - as opposed to the number of times he urged the crowd to "fight". As I said before, it is like 1:18.

I don’t defend Trump he made claims about the election that weren’t true and I don’t support what he did but he did say to peacefully make your voices heard

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

Again, where in the speech does he say "go peacefully"? You have the transcript so you can look it up easily.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes Trump supporters chanted about locking his political opponent up, who knew that Biden would actually do it

Biden hasn't done it. Mr. Trump is still walking free because Mr. Biden is allowing the various courts to operate as they were meant to.

Donald tried to "lock her up" but, happily, the Deep State is all about laws, procedures and regulations - all of which Donald flouts.

 

[KCfromNC]

I posted something that Trump actually said. Are you denying that he said it?

No, I'm just not all that impressed by it. He had a long speech with aggressive language designed to rile up his supporters who then went on to attack the US Capitol. A single "oh, by the way.." tacked on near the end is just another case of the guy trying to cover his tracks when his real intention was obvious.

He does enough things that deserve criticism there’s no need to make things up.

What specifically are you accusing me of making up? I also quoted Mr. Trump directly.

All the accusations of lying are getting quite tedious. I mean, I get it, there aren't many other comebacks when all one has to do to poke huge holes through GOP propaganda is to directly quote their leader. But attacking the messenger isn't going to fix that problem the GOP has.

 

[BPPLEE]

I did hear it as well as read it in the transcript. Please note that I did not say "go peacefully" was not spoken - it was somewhere in the middle, a single mention - as opposed to the number of times he urged the crowd to "fight". As I said before, it is like 1:18.


Again, where in the speech does he say "go peacefully"? You have the transcript so you can look it up easily.

Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." You have the transcript too, you can easily check for yourself
This is all I have to say about this I don’t care to defend Trump. I don’t support what happened and don’t support him as a candidate.

 

[BPPLEE]

No, I'm just not all that impressed by it. He had a long speech with aggressive language designed to rile up his supporters who then went on to attack the US Capitol. A single "oh, by the way.." tacked on near the end is just another case of the guy trying to cover his tracks when his real intention was obvious.


What specifically are you accusing me of making up? I also quoted Mr. Trump directly.

All the accusations of lying are getting quite tedious. I mean, I get it, there aren't many other comebacks when all one has to do to poke huge holes through GOP propaganda is to directly quote their leader. But attacking the messenger isn't going to fix that problem the GOP has.

I don’t intend to be put in the position of defending Trump. I don’t support what he did and I don’t support him as a candidate. But I posted what he said and a transcript of the speech. Anyone can see for themselves what was said. Maybe he was trying to cover his tracks but that would require suggesting he was smart enough to think of that.

 

[BPPLEE]

Biden hasn't done it. Mr. Trump is still walking free because Mr. Biden is allowing the various courts to operate as they were meant to.

Donald tried to "lock her up" but, happily, the Deep State is all about laws, procedures and regulations - all of which Donald flouts.

When did he try to lock her up?

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

When did he try to lock her up?

Here is a link to the transcript of Trump's January 6. 2021 speech.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

I posted this so all could read it for themselves and I want to be able to find it whenever I want.

In 2016 Donald Trump promised his base he would appoint a special counsel to look into Hillary's crimes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/trumps-promise-to-jail-clinton-is-a-threat-to-american-democracy/503516/

10 times Trump has called for Hillary Clinton and Democrats to be investigated

Trump has called for investigations into Clinton, the Democrats and the DNC.

abcnews.go.com

 

[DaisyDay]

Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." You have the transcript too, you can easily check for yourself

Yes. He said that. WHERE in the speech did he say that? You have been asked a few times now.

This is all I have to say about this I don’t care to defend Trump. I don’t support what happened and don’t support him as a candidate.

But you do defend him.

 

[BPPLEE]

Here is a link to the transcript of Trump's January 6. 2021 speech.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

I posted this so all could read it for themselves and I want to be able to find it whenever I want.

In 2016 Donald Trump promised his base he would appoint a special counsel to look into Hillary's crimes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/trumps-promise-to-jail-clinton-is-a-threat-to-american-democracy/503516/

10 times Trump has called for Hillary Clinton and Democrats to be investigated

Trump has called for investigations into Clinton, the Democrats and the DNC.

abcnews.go.com

Trump drops repeated threat to jail Clinton: 'She went through a lot'

The president-elect ‘doesn’t wish to pursue’ criminal investigations into Clinton over her use of a private email server, despite vows he made during campaign

www.theguardian.com

 

[DaisyDay]

When did he try to lock her up?

Trump wanted to prosecute Hillary Clinton and James Comey – report

White House counsel Don McGahn wrote a memo to dissuade Trump, noting that potential consequences could include impeachment

www.theguardian.com

My article post-dates yours He said he wouldn't but then he tried to anyway on the down low.

Link to original report

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes. He said that. WHERE in the speech did he say that? You have been asked a few times now.


But you do defend him.

I quoted him and I didn’t make any claims about where in the speech he said this. I don’t care where in the speech he said it, I just claimed that he did say it. Which he did.