A biblical argument against Friendship Evangelism

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Do you guys hear from God ? I ask because chosen 1 on 1 evangelists should.. We get our marching orders from Him.
I read the bible daily and I believe. Because I believe, I see that there are many who are going to perish. And that is awful.
Jesus said, to go and preach the Gospel to everyone. And so, that has been my marching orders. To tell as many as possible. If I do feel that there is someone in particular on my heart that I need to share the Gospel, then I will. But my overall marching orders are from Gods word.
“Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.” James 1:22

T-Shirts are great. I make my own as well but they take me hours just to make one. My main slogan on the t-shirt is "needgod.com". This way someone can then look it up on their phone and hear the Gospel.
 
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Well... I firmly believe that as Jesus could only do what He 'saw' the Father doing - so it should be for us.

Somehow we need to return to sheep that hear His voice personally to us.

Through the Word of course, but also leading us to specific need (the one widow) - this is critical.

When this has happened for me I have seen Him move in beautiful ways.
 
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Somehow we need to return to sheep that hear His voice personally to us.
I agree. We do need to hear his voice. And if we ignore it, people may die. Such as happened in my story I told earlier.
But many of us read the bible and see that He has told us to share the Gospel with everyone, and then we wait for God to tell us personally what to do. And many can be waiting for years not realising that we have already been told. Many never get around to it. They sit in pews and just warm them up.
I hear people often say, "I don't know what special thing God want me to do. So, I will wait until He tells me." But He already has told. In His word. So, get equipped and go share.
 
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I read the bible daily and I believe. Because I believe, I see that there are many who are going to perish. And that is awful.
Jesus said, to go and preach the Gospel to everyone. And so, that has been my marching orders. To tell as many as possible. If I do feel that there is someone in particular on my heart that I need to share the Gospel, then I will. But my overall marching orders are from Gods word.
“Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.” James 1:22

T-Shirts are great. I make my own as well but they take me hours just to make one. My main slogan on the t-shirt is "needgod.com". This way someone can then look it up on their phone and hear the Gospel.
I like that needgod.com, I'll remember that. Hah send them to a digital tract ! We keep the folded 4 sides of Romans Road in our cars to hand out, leave at restaurant tables etc..

For the T's I'm using HTVRONT inkjet heat transfers and the same brand HTV vinyl for the Cricut. We use all Gildan shirts and buy them when they go on sale at Micheals for $2.50 each. The Ront HTV is pretty easy weeding and presses awesome. The thing is with Cricut, once you get a design made and saved in Design Space, you can pull it back up any time to make a new shirt. We also download free verses with a scene and reference number. Save that to phone or computer and print them straight up onto the inkjet transfer paper from our Canon printer. Wait 20 minutes or so for the ink to do it's thing, trim it up and go to the heat press with it. 320f @ 14 sec. medium high pressure. Those settings are for both products. Then I just bring the clam shell down on the shirt by hand light pressure for 5 sec or so in case anything lifted. Done deal. My wifes Grandson was baptized yesterday, he has a heart for the Lord and his dad is a pastor. My wife and I whipped up two T's for him with his favorite verses Sat in about 40 minutes all in, inkjet transfers. At the family gathering after, he was proudly wearing Joshua 1:9, sprained ankle boot on and all ! And the ladies were all oohing over the feel of the Gildan (, plus the fact he had his favorite verse) material.

And so it goes on and on !
 
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Judging by the title of this thread…

A biblical argument - Sounds like something out of the flesh (KJV would call variance)
Friendship Evangelism - Sound like something out of the Spirit giving us power to love one another

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Galatians 5
 
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Judging by the title of this thread…

A biblical argument - Sounds like something out of the flesh (KJV would call variance)
Friendship Evangelism - Sound like something out of the Spirit giving us power to love one another
Have you even read the thread?
It sounds like you are commenting without even knowing what you are talking about. (He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Prov 18:13)

I have said that I believe we are to do friendship evangelism. But it is more important to do proclamation. That is speaking the Gospel. The Gospel being the power of God unto salvation.
What do we put more faith in? Our friendship being the power of God unto salvation or the spoken Gospel being the power of God unto salvation? If the Gospel is the power, then churches should be teaching the believers how to share it more. They should be equipping the believers. How will they hear without a preacher? But sadly, a lot of churches will put more faith in their external friendship activities than proclaiming. This can fill the churches with unbelievers. The church becomes weak since it only has people who have made a commitment because their friend has a faith. Their faith is built on another person's faith. Their faith is not really in the cross.
 
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I just watched a video that has only come out today. It had a very good analogy in it. After watching it, I thought that it could be changed a little and used as a reason to why we need to do more than friendship evangelism. We need to warn people. To speak as much as possible about the condemnation that they are under.
Here is the original analogy:
If you see a teenage guy, he's in his late teens, he's drinking some soda, and you see someone has spiked it with arsenic. Are you obligated to tell him? Of course, you are. We have a moral obligation as well as a legal obligation. If you let someone die, you're guilty of a crime called depraved indifference and you go to jail for that. If man's court recognises this injustice, how much more would Gods' holy and righteous justice recognise the wrong that is done.

Now, let's change the scenario a little to fit friendship evangelism.
You meet a teenage guy, he's in his late teens, he drinks soda regularly, and you hear that someone is slowly poisoning the soda with arsenic. You do not know how long he has to live. He could die any time. But, because you are afraid of making a fool of yourself and that he may not believe you, you decide to make a relationship with the person first. Then when the time is right, you can then tell them that they are being poisoned and are going to die. How wrong is this? How loving is it? It is not loving at all.
This comes back to the original post I made where I quoted Proverbs 27:5. "Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed."

Watch the whole vid or the main part is between 5:55-6:34 (It is only 40 seconds)
 
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Mark talks about signs following the preaching and believing.

Jesus assured John the Baptist that the Kingdom was indeed being manifest by testifying about the poor being preached to, ailments cured etc.

So where Jesus reigns one would expect these signs to confirm the Word.
Just been doing a study on Mark 16. It looks like the verses you are quoting from were not in the original manuscripts (Verses 9-20). They were added later. So, some bibles do not have them and other bibles that do have them, often have notes saying that they are not in the originals.
It looks like we need to treat these verses very carefully and I would not make a doctrine on them in regard to those who believe should see these miracles.
 
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I just found another couple of verses that are of great interest.
"The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil." John 7:7
When we do friendship evangelism, we try to get those of the world to love us. And often they do.
And another verse.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. John 15:18-19
Those that speak in truth, will be hated and not loved by the world.
We should not be people pleasers. We need to have the unbeliever's highest interest in our heart. We should not prioritise their feelings before the Gospel. But when saying the Gospel, do it in love and wisdom.
Sometimes love is to press that hot button. Sometimes love is to go to that place that makes someone uncomfortable.
Jesus was the greatest example of this. He said to the Samaritan woman, “Go and get your husband,” when she had many husbands. He pushed the hot button. Or, when the rich young ruler said, “I'll follow you”, Jesus replies, “Sell everything you have”. Wow, how hard would that be? Jesus pushed the hot button again. Or the pharisees said, “We're children of Abraham”, and Jesus says, actually you're children of Satan because you can't stop sinning.
If we truly love our neighbour, we will tell them of the condemnation that they are under. We will not wait. We will do as Jesus did and push the hot button. We will not procrastinate. Their eternity is at stake.
So, what do you put first, your neighbours' feelings or their eternal wellbeing? Choose to love them.
 
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And yet in John 17 Jesus says the visible unity of the Body, God will use to attract the unsaved to Himself...

22 The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me.
 
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And yet in John 17 Jesus says the visible unity of the Body, God will use to attract the unsaved to Himself...

22 The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me.
Correct. We give God glory by telling the lost of the wonderful thing He did for us. We tell them in the hope that they will have growth in them and they will be one with Jesus, just as we are one. One of the greatest ways to show love would be to warn them.
 
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Correct. We give God glory by telling the lost of the wonderful thing He did for us. We tell them in the hope that they will have growth in them and they will be one with Jesus, just as we are one. One of the greatest ways to show love would be to warn them.

This reference to unity in the body is that the unity was to be be seen, not just spoken about.

Seeing how Christians relate together should be fundamental to our evangelism - sadly this is often not the case.

If we were to return to our first Love recorded in early Acts this in itself would testify to His glory and attract the unsaved.
 
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Definitions:
Open Evangelism: When the Gospel is said within the first encounter. Often used in street evangelism, or in one-to-one evangelism in parks.
That can be good.
Friendship Evangelism: Where you create a relationship with the goal of eventually telling the Gospel to the person.
That can be good as well. There's not just one way we should be.
Relational Evangelism: Where you make a friend in your everyday life with no ulterior motive of sharing the Gospel. Such as meeting someone at work or school, and you become friends. Then, when the time is right, you tell them the Gospel.
And consider if you tried street evangelism in the work place you could be fired very quickly. One should just have some normal sense as to what one's approach should be in different situation.
Now onto the topic:
Sharing the Gospel can be a scary thing. The reason for this is, before you give the Good News, you should give the bad news first. So, show the sinner that they have broken Gods law. They have lied, stolen, blasphemed and done many other things that are against God. Show them that they are guilty and need a saviour.
So you're using something like the Romans Road, take them step by step into discussing their state. I think though at times just talking to them that they know they're not perfect and that they've sinned most can agree with that. I'm not opposed to what you're saying but I don't always see this approach in the ministry of Jesus. I don't see where he took the 10 Commandments and made them all acknowledge certain things. It seems he acted that it was self evident that men are sinner's and most would know that.

We get closer and closer to the person until we finally feel comfortable enough to say the Gospel.
I think there's some truth to people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. If they see you're a loving person their heart might be more open to what you say.
This, in a way, is deceptive friendship as your main goal is not to be the persons friend but to tell them the Gospel.
But aren't you projecting there? Who says another wouldn't want to be the person's friend.
The motive of the friendship is not straight up and true. It is hidden.
I don't think one has to be concerned about that. If you're sharing the gospel or you're wanting to establish a repour to do so your friendship is genuine.
I would hate to tell the Gospel at a job interview. So, in life we make friends naturally and then over time, we may get to tell the Gospel. This is real friendship, and it is real relational evangelism. So, no hidden agenda.
Stop putting into people's minds they have a hidden agenda. If what they're doing is to help a person into salvation it is love and mercy they're showing. You're making it seem that they really don't care about the person. Not a fair assessment to make.
 
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That can be good as well. There's not just one way we should be.
Agreed. Even friendship evangelism has its place. But sadly, many churches make this their main form of evangelism. They put it as first when really, it is only a means to an end. The overall goal is to say the Gospel.
I know an example of a church that has friendship evangelism as its main form of outreach. This church does a light party and hundreds of people go to it. It is the biggest party in town. But the Gospel is not said to one person. They class the light party as a place to make friends and if we were to tell people the Gospel, it will scare them away. Especially if we are to tell people that they have sinned and fallen short of Gods standards and so therefore they need a saviour. This church measures its success by the amount of people that come and have fun. But in reality, they could have 10,000 people come, and if no one hears the Gospel, how successful were they?
And consider if you tried street evangelism in the work place you could be fired very quickly. One should just have some normal sense as to what one's approach should be in different situation.
Yip. I use that as an example in the first post. Use wisdom.
So you're using something like the Romans Road, take them step by step into discussing their state. I think though at times just talking to them that they know they're not perfect and that they've sinned most can agree with that. I'm not opposed to what you're saying but I don't always see this approach in the ministry of Jesus.
Not sure what the Roman road is. But yes, you can simply talk to people and show them that they are not perfect. But I do believe that if we take them through some of the Ten Commandments, they will see that they are not just imperfect, but that they have sinned against a Holy and Righteous God who is also just and will repay one day. If they see this, then they will see their need for a saviour.
I don't see where he took the 10 Commandments and made them all acknowledge certain things. It seems he acted that it was self evident that men are sinner's and most would know that.
The main one is the rich young ruler. He took him through some of the 10 commandments in Matthew 19:19-20. But he also showed many other people their sin.
He was the greatest example of doing this. He said to the Samaritan woman, “Go and get your husband,” when she had many husbands and the one she was with now, was not her husband. She was an adulteress. Or, when the rich young ruler said, “I'll follow you”, Jesus replies, “Sell everything you have”. Wow, how hard would that be for someone who loved their money? Jesus shows the sin again. Or the self-righteous pharisees said, “We're children of Abraham”, and Jesus says, actually you're children of Satan because you can't stop sinning. Jesus pointed out people's sins.
Infact, He even said that the world hates Him because He tells them of their evil deeds. And if we follow Jesus' example, the world will hate us too. The world will not love us. But sadly, the church wants the world to love them.
I think there's some truth to people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. If they see you're a loving person their heart might be more open to what you say.
I do agree that we are to show love to all people. The more they see we care the better. It is a witness. So, within our everyday lives, we are to be caring. That is just naturally who we are. But there is an urgency to the Gospel. We often leave it too long before we warn the other person.
If you see someone's house on fire and they are in the house, they could die any moment, it would be unloving to not tell them straight away. Likewise, we do not know when others are going to die, and so it should be of the utmost importance to tell them. By warning them, they will see that you love them. Some may scoff at you but deep down they know that you are saying the Gospel because you do not want them to go to hell. Saying the Gospel shows a person love while not saying the Gospel is not showing any love at all.
Friendship evangelism is like seeing someone in a house that is on fire and because you love them so much you want to mow their lawn to bless them first. And then, once they can see that you are a nice person, you can warn them of the fire.
Stop putting into people's minds they have a hidden agenda. If what they're doing is to help a person into salvation it is love and mercy they're showing. You're making it seem that they really don't care about the person. Not a fair assessment to make.
Jesus was straight up. He did not beat around the bush. Just like with the rich young ruler, the Samaritan woman at the well and the pharisees. He pushed the hot button by showing people's sin. And He said people would hate him for it.
Overall, there are plenty of examples where Jesus showed other their sin so that they would see their need to honour God. But there is not one biblical president where Jesus did friendship evangelism. That is, to get alongside someone and wait until they feel comfortable, and then tell them the good news.
So, if needed, such as a job interview, use relational evangelism or friendship evangelism. But try not to delay sharing the Gospel in its entirety. This is of the utmost importance. We must not delay as peoples lives are at stake.
It all has to do with the individual Evangelist. A some people can do more harm than good.
It has to do with the approach. Churches should be teaching more how to approach others and share the Gospel in a correct manner. But sadly, they miss teaching how to share the Gospel and they concentrate on teaching how to be friends with others. This bugs me because I learnt how to be friends with others when I was 5 years old.
This is an interesting thing to note. Jesus spent only a very little time with the disciples. He only spent 3 and a half years with them. Teaching them so that they would be able to share the Gospel and weather the persecution up until death. But churches these days spend a lifetime teaching others to be friends so that they will not have to face persecution when witnessing.

Jesus is our foundation. So how are we building on that foundation? Are we building on it with perishable goods or imperishable. Many build their churches with friendship. Friendships come and go. If you are lucky, it may last a lifetime. But then it perishes. So, build on the foundation with the everlasting Gospel.
Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, their work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If anyone’s work remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only as one who has escaped through fire. 1 Cor 3:12-15

Why has someone come to the church? Have they come to church for friendship, or because they have been to the foot of the cross? We can fill the churches with people who want friendship. Sadly, many churches are like this. This would be OK, if only the church would then preach the Gospel with the bad news. So, the Gospel in its fullness. But sadly, friendship evangelism churches do not want to scare away the unbeliever and so they will not point out people's sin (if they do, they skim it).
 
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There is nothing wrong with sharing our story if someone is interested. friend or stranger.
Yes. We can tell people our story. But remember that our testimony is not the Gospel. It is only the reason we have our belief. The Gospel is what changes people. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. And I guess, this is what kind of bugs me. Many churches now have more faith in their ability to make friends than they do in the life changing power of the Gospel said in its fullness.

I think that is more effective than telling them what they should believe.......
We can only show people the truth. Then once we have said the Gospel, it is God who creates the growth.
Also, Romans 10:14 says that we should be telling them the truth of God. So, our belief. "How then are they to call on Him in whom they have not believed? How are they to believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:14
I think that is more effective than telling them ........ how to behave.
Agreed. I don't think I have said that we need to tell people how to behave.
This is where the Church should be training you. The church should be teaching that you should not be telling people how to behave. But you should do as Jesus did by showing them their sin.
 
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The main one is the rich young ruler. He took him through some of the 10 commandments in Matthew 19:19-20. But he also showed many other people their sin.

But not in the way that you might think. He didn't take them through a questionaire session like asking them have you ever told a lie....what's that make you.... a liar......have you ever stole anything? What's that make you....a thief........have you ever looked upon a woman with lust....what that make you....and adulterer. Then they go on to get across to them they're a sinnner. Look I'm not opposed to the using of that technique, all I'm saying I don't see Jesus really used it as a template method in all sitiuations.


He was the greatest example of doing this. He said to the Samaritan woman, “Go and get your husband,” when she had many husbands and the one she was with now, was not her husband. She was an adulteress.
True but you notice he didn't take her down the way of understanding what he was going to do on the cross. Of course nobody knew at that time what he was going to do on the cross and even that he was going there. He eluded to it with Nicodmeous but even his own disciples didn't grasp it at least while he walked on the earth.
Or, when the rich young ruler said, “I'll follow you”, Jesus replies, “Sell everything you have”.
Jesus was making him aware the core of his heart wasn't centered on God. He didn't take him down the Ray Comfort evangelism technique, if you understand what that means. And I'm not even opposed to it I'm just saying one needs to feel from the Spirit the best way to reach a certain one. For one it may be one way....to another a different way.

I do agree that we are to show love to all people. The more they see we care the better. It is a witness. So, within our everyday lives, we are to be caring. That is just naturally who we are. But there is an urgency to the Gospel. We often leave it too long before we warn the other person.
I think I can agree with that. We can beat around the bush way too long and we need to bring forth the gospel.

 
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Look I'm not opposed to the using of that technique, all I'm saying I don't see Jesus really used it as a template method in all sitiuations.
There are many ways we can speak. We do not have to follow the Good Person test formula. But Jesus did show people their sin so they could then see their need to honour God.
A template like as you mention is a great place to start as most people do not know how to approach the subject.
True but you notice he didn't take her down the way of understanding what he was going to do on the cross. Of course nobody knew at that time what he was going to do on the cross and even that he was going there. He eluded to it with Nicodmeous but even his own disciples didn't grasp it at least while he walked on the earth.
Yip. That is why I have not said that Jesus spoke the Gospel. But he did point out to the woman that He was the messiah. So, He pointed out her sin and then said that He was the coming saviour.
Jesus was making him aware the core of his heart wasn't centered on God. He didn't take him down the Ray Comfort evangelism technique, if you understand what that means. And I'm not even opposed to it I'm just saying one needs to feel from the Spirit the best way to reach a certain one. For one it may be one way....to another a different way.
So, the rich young ruler broke the first commandment. This means Jesus pointed out his sin.
Ray Comfort is really just copying Jesus. Just as we should. We do not have to copy Ray word for word. But if Jesus did it, then we should follow and do the same. Obviously, as we do this, we need to do it in wisdom.
 
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