The Kingdom Age

[oikonomia]

Hi oiknomai,

Hi.

Have you ever thought that the word `throne,` means authority and power.

Yes.

The Lord does not get His throne, authority from anyone on earth but from the Father. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22) And there we see that the Lord is enthroned `far above all....`

I don't see this as a problem to Him having a divine throne granted to Him on earth by His Father.
I don't see Him being enthroned on the earth negating in any way that He is "far above all" still.

So, in Matt. 25: 31 & 32 we know that His `throne,` is His authority from the Father and NOT from any earthly authority. And yes, it is an earthly judgment of the nations.

I don't see Jesus sitting on "the throne of His glory" in Israel implying His authority is from man and not His Father.

Joel 3: 12 is the same event. Good spot there.

As to the 12 disciples sitting on thrones, they will have authority to rule in the city, the New Jerusalem. (Rev. 21: 14) And that is in the New Heavens and New Earth - eternity.

My time is limited this morning. I hope to return and consider this further.
May the Lord be enthroned in our hearts.

 

[Marilyn C]

You do believe that our Lord Jesus is Jehovah God become a man. Right?
As wonderful as David was he is not God in the flesh.

And many peoples will come and say, / Come and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, . . . That He [Jehovah] may instruct us in His [Jehovah's] ways, / And that we may walk in His [Jehovahs's] paths. / For from Zion will go forth instruction, / And the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem; (Isaiah 2:3)

I beleive Isaiah is talking about Jesus Christ - God-man, the Messiah.

We know that in His second coming the FEET of Jehovah will stand on Mt. Oliviet.

Then Jehovah will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights in a day of battle.
And His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; (Zech. 14:3,4)

But let me ask you this.
What passage/s would you use to demonstrate that Jesus ascends back up to Heaven after His feet stand on the mountain
in Jerusalem?

Jesus is now the glorified son of Man and Son of God whose throne of authority and power is FAR ABOVE ALL. (Eph. 1: 21)

Yes, He does come back to the earth but this time in power and great glory with His angelic army.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

After the Lord has dealt with the world`s armies He will judge the nations, then reveal Himself to the people of Judah, then house of David and Jerusalem. (Zech. 12: 7 - 10) The Lord will then appoint His rulership - King David and some Levite priests. (Jer. 30: 9 Isa. 66: 21)

Finally, the Lord will return on high. (Ps. 47: 5)

Note: `heaven is my throne, and earth my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)

 

[Aaron112]

...... yet I am not even sure Heaven is real. It could all be a product of our imagination.

Yes, for most people that's what it is... or a myth....

 

[WilliamK76]

We’re very close to the 6 thousand year mark, so the Kingdom age, the 7th day of creation where Jesus is Lord of Sabbath is very close at hand I believe.

 

[Diamond72]

or a myth....

I am pretty sure Harry Potter is a myth, but some people think that is for real.

 

[Aaron112]

I am pretty sure Harry Potter is a myth, but some people think that is for real.

Myths abound on this forum, just as in the world, just as in walt disney, just as ...
God says they do.

 

[oikonomia]

Jesus is now the glorified son of Man and Son of God whose throne of authority and power is FAR ABOVE ALL. (Eph. 1: 21)

Yes. I believe now Jesus is the exlalted glorified man. Even as He stood on the earth before He ascended He said that all
authority had been given into His hands.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Matt. 28:18,19)

Even in the night of the last supper on earth when He humbled Himself to wash the disciples' feet He knew all authority had been given into His hands.

And while supper was taking place, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, that he should betray Him,
Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all into His hands and that He had come forth from God and was going to God, ( John13:2,3)

Even before the inauguration of His ascension to the third heavens He knew all authority had been given into His hands. In His mighty prayer in John 17 before His arrest, trial, and execution He spoke so.

These things Jesus spoke, and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son that the Son may glorify You; Even as You have given Him authority over all flesh to give eternal life to all whom You have given Him. (John 17:1,2)

Yes, He does come back to the earth but this time in power and great glory with His angelic army.

No doubt He comes with an angelic army. But He comes also with His overcoming victorious saints as His bridal army (See Revelation 19).
Yes He comes with the mighty angels in glory. But the selected remnant of mighty overcoming saints He comes bringing them with Him.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, so also those who have fallen asleep through Jesus, God will bring with Him. ( 1 Thess. 4:14)

Now this does take a little more time of study. In First Thess 4:14 we do not see that a REMNANT [edited] of those who have fallen asleep through Jesus He brings with Him. But elsewhere we see that among all those who have fallen asleep Christ makes a selection of a remnant, like Gideon's little army of 300, to accompany Him from Heaven.

So the "mighty ones" Christ descends with are not [edited] just angels. The overcomers raptured from among ALL the past who had died in Christ
come with Him. Look at the army that accompanies Jesus to overcome Antichrist and His armies. They are human overcoming saints
who are called and chosen . . . and most of all FAITHFUL.

These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and they who are with Him, the called and chosen and faithful, will also overcome them. (Rev. 17:14)

But I digress some. The main point we are examining together is whether the Lord Jesus ascends back up to the third
heavens after He sets His feet down on the Mt. of Olives for a glorious vindication and protection of Israel.

I would only add that it is a total glory to God that accompanying Jesus Christ are redeemed, sanctitified, transformed and glorified
human saints. It is not only to His glory that ANGELS accompany Him. It is totally to His glory that He is accompanied by those
for whom salvation has wrought full work.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

Yes indeed. Christ speaking to the disciples as to thier status as ALSO constituents of the nation Israel, He promises all the Israeli tribes of
the land will witness His glorious appearing over the Holy Land.

And at that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matt. 24:30)

But I eagerly await your explanation as to how you know Jesus will ascend back to the third heavens after these events.

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

Okay. Praise Him He does come in His glory with all the angels. I have not negated this.
I have briefly mentioned that He comes with a remnant of so rewarded overcomers among saved humans.
And this totally to His glory - the glory of the effectiveness of His full salvation to those called and chosen and faithful.

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

Okay. This is reinforcement of what you indicated. I fully believe Luke as well as Matthew.

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

It is not hard to see that mighy angels accompany Christ. It is not as easy for modern CHristians to see that a remnant of His overcoming
saints accompany Him to His glory and the glory of His full salvation. Belieivng the latter does not detract from the former.
See that Jesus brings with Him a exemplary remnant of humans who have undergone (on time) His full process of salvation does not
detract from Him being accimpanied by angels.

Notice that in Hebrews the FIRSTBORN Son comes again into the inhabited earth with many sons leading THEM also into glory.

And when He brings again the Firstborn into the inhabited earth, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.” (Heb. 1:6)

For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Heb. 2:10)

You see the Only-begotten Son has by then also become the Firstborn Son of many sons.
His salvation is to conform all these sons into the image of Himself as their Firstborn, the Elder Brother.

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers; (Rom. 8:28,29)

Do you know WHY there is a millennial kingdom of a thousand years before the eternal age of a new heaven and a new earth?
One reason is that throughout history of all God's saved ones a minority went on to let His complete work over them reach maturity.
As diligent students who graduated ON TIME they are ready for the graduation celebration. No futher remedial time like "summer school"
is needed. It is right that they be rewarded with participation in the 1,000 year kingdom as a prize.

I say again, this is to the glory of Jesus Christ and the effectiveness of His salvation. This is a glory to God.
All saved are eternally saved. But there are the saved REWARDED and the saved who during the millennial reign will "suffer loss"
though they still are saved.

If anyone’s work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward;
If anyone’s work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. ( 1 Cor. 3:14,15)

The mighty angels accompany Christ in His descent to earth.
But also the mighty overcomers who are rewarded He brings with Him from ALL the ones who died in Christ.
From QUANTITY the Lord Jesus obtains a remnant of QUALITY.

Much more can be said about this. But again, the main thing is I seek your reason for Jesus ascending BACK to the third
heavens after He touches down on earth in Israel.

We're coming up on it below.

After the Lord has dealt with the world`s armies He will judge the nations, then reveal Himself to the people of Judah, then house of David and Jerusalem. (Zech. 12: 7 - 10) The Lord will then appoint His rulership - King David and some Levite priests. (Jer. 30: 9 Isa. 66: 21)

Okay. Now, you're going to tell us on what passage you base your belief that after this "housework" He goes back to Heaven.

Finally, the Lord will return on high. (Ps. 47: 5)

Note: `heaven is my throne, and earth my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)

Aha. So here we have finally your reason.

He chose our inheritance for us, / The excellency of Jacob, whom He loved. Selah
God ascends amidst shouting; / Jehovah, at the sound of a trumpet. (Psalm 45:4,5)

Sister, I would consider this a very thin "proof text" to show what you want.
This matter of "God ascends amidst shouting" I would teach appies to the entire
affair of the awsomeness of Jehovah God reigning in Christ over the planet.

As I read carefully the whole of Psalm 45, I think what is conveyed there is that the whole matter
of God vindicating His rule over the earth is His ascending, His vindicating global government.
In all that He does to bring the world under His control He is ascending, rising, being exalted, being vindicated.

So reading the entire Psalm 45 I don't see verse 5 speaking to the God-man going up again to Heaven after some
preliminary "house keeping" of assigning priests and so forth.
I rather believe everything described there pertains to God ascending up. He rises up to finally universally vindicate His
rulership over the earth.

This is something like Let God arise; let His enemies be scattered; / And let those who hate Him flee before Him. (Psalm 68:1)

Then you accompany this thought with Isaiah 66:1a.

Thus says Jehovah, / Heaven is My throne, / And the earth the footstool for My feet.

Great passage this is. However I do not see Christ reigning from the throne of His glory in Jerusalem
as meaning Jehovah is not enthroned in Heaven and the earth is not the footstool of His feet.
I don't see that Christ reigning on earth causes me to say "Hmm. Then Heaven is no longer God's throne and the earth is no longer
the footstool for His feet."

Actually, Jesus Christ being on earth and at the same time somehow present in Heaven seems to be
His mysterious ability in the gospel of John.

And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven. (John 3:13)

This mysterious utterance leaves room for us understanding that as the Son of Man was walking on the earth He was
still somehow in heaven - the Son of Man, who is in heaven.
So I think not Jesus enthroned on the earth detracts from the Son of Man simultaneosly somehow having a heavenly presence.

Thanks for providing your reasons.

 

[Aaron112]

No doubt He comes with an angelic army. But He comes also with His overcoming victrious saints as His bridal army (See Revelation 19).
Yes He comes with the mighty angels in glory. But the selected remnant of mighty overcoming saints He comes bringing them with Him.

In Revelation 19 His bride does not fight at all. I'm not sure whether they are even called "mighty" there ?

 

[oikonomia]

In Revelation 19 His bride does not fight at all. I'm not sure whether they are even called "mighty" there ?

In Revelation 19 the bride is not the entire church but a remnant. But I will not concentrate on the remnant aspect in this post.
In this post I will highlight that she is an army accompanying Christ to the battle at Armegeddon.

The garment that qualifies the bride for the wedding feast is also the battle garment that qualifies her as His accompanying army.

Let us rejoice and exult, and let us give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.
And it was given to her that she should be clothed in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the saints.

And he said to me, Write, Blessed are they who are called to the marriage dinner of the Lamb. And he said to me, These are the true words of God. (Rev. 19:7-9)

The phrase "the righteousnesses of the saints" is not a typo. It means the righteous DEEDS of the saints. It pertains not to
the righteous positional standing of all who have been justified by faith. It means the righteous living, behaviors, actions and deeds
done by those have been faithful to let Christ's salvation infiltrate their daily living.

Other reputable English versions give us these renderings of verse 8.

NIV - Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)
ESV - clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
NKJV - arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
LSB - for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Weymouth - the fine linen being the righteous actions of God's people.
ASV - array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
CEV - a wedding dress made of pure and shining linen. This linen stands for the good things God's people have done."
NRSV - for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

The main point is that we ought not to understand this wedding garment as mere Justification by Faith by which
every Christian is eternally redeemed. Rather we should understand this wedding garment as DEEDS, acts, works, living, good things
which in those who had Christ dispensed into them. They showed forth Christ in their practical daily lives.

Now we must see that the SAME qualification to particpate in this wedding feast ALSO qualifies as the battle garment of
Christ's accomanying army. This is quite logical that they should be the same.

And He is clothed with a garment dipped in blood; and His name is called the Word of God.
And the armies which are in heaven followed Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev. 19:13,14)

The bride who made HERSELF ready - And it was given to her that she should be clothed in fine linen, bright and clean;
The accompanying army of saints - And the armies which are in heaven followed Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

This remnant of believers' wedding garment is also her fighting garment when coming down with Christ.
This is completely consistent with too many exhortations in the NT to LIVE Christ after being Justified by Him.

 

[Diamond72]

just as in walt disney,

What abounds is a lack of understanding of how symbolism works. Half the books in a library are fiction. Yet they still apply to us and our life and we can still relate to them. Walt Disney did not sell myths, he sold archetypes. In the Bible we can find allegories, metaphors, archetypes, humilities, paradigms,

 

[oikonomia]

What abounds is a lack of understanding of how symbolism works. Half the books in a library are fiction. Yet they still apply to us and our life and we can still relate to them. Walt Disney did not sell myths, he sold archetypes. In the Bible we can find allegories, metaphors, archetypes, humilities, paradigms,

What I have described to Aaron117 interpreting symbols in Revelation 19 can be fully demonstrated in more non-symbolic plain
teaching. I do not like to rely on symbolism without clear corresponding plain Gospel and apostolic teaching.

I'd like to wait to see how our Berean noble minded posters reply after checking to see if these things are true (or not).

Can we leave Walt Disney out of this, please? No serious Bible student should feel the need to consult Walt Disney entertainment industry for his/her theology.

 

[Diamond72]

non-symbolic plain
teaching.

God only spoke to Moses in plain language, everyone else was mysteries & riddles. I like to go back to see what Moses says.

Numbers 12

…6 He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, will reveal Myself to him in a vision; I will speak to him in a dream. 7 But this is not so with My servant Moses; he is faithful in all My house. 8 I speak with him face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you unafraid to speak against My servant Moses?”

 

[oikonomia]

God only spoke to Moses in plain language, everyone else was mysteries & riddles. I like to go back to see what Moses says.

Numbers 12

You better come forward and learn what the Son of God says and what His apostles wrote.
And they continued steadfastly in the teaching and the fellowship of the apostles, (Acts 2:42)

The New Testament apostle Paul speaking under inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote:
For no other things do we write to you than what you read or even know; and I hope that you will know unto the end, (2 Cor. 1:13)

In Hebrews 5:12 the writer scolds the hesitating and wavering new covenant believers. He tells them that by now they should be
reliale teachers of the oracles of God. He was speaking of the teaching of Christ and the apostles:
For when because of the time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you what the rudiments of the beginning of the oracles of God are and have become those who have need of milk and not of solid food. ( Heb 5:12)

In Second Corinthians Paul reminds the skeptical Corinthians that in certain things he exhorted them they were the commandment of the Lord.
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him fully know the things which I write to you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. (1 Cor. 14:36)

It is clear that the apostle envokes a divine curse on any who should teach the Galatian churches a different gospel.
But if even we or an angel out of heaven should announce to you a gospel beyond that which we have announced to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, now also I say again, If anyone announces to you a gospel beyond that which you have received, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:8,9)

The gospel he taught was not man's invention but sourced in a revelation of Jesus Christ.
For I make known to you, brothers, concerning the gospel announced by me, that it is not according to man.
For neither did I receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation by Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:12)

The words John wrote in Revelation were so plainly God's speaking that no one is permitted to add or take away from them.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this scroll; And if anyone takes away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and out of the holy city, which are written in this scroll. (Rev. 22:18,19)

We cannot use an excuse that the apostles were unreliable. Peter says they were eyewitnesses faithful to pass on what they witnessed.
For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we became eyewitnesses of that One’s majesty. (2 Pet. 1:16)

The Lord Jesus the Son of God insisted that as His word was to be taken so the apostles' were was to be trusted.
He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who has sent Me. ( Matt. 10:40)
Truly, truly, I say to you, He who receives whomever I shall send receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. (John 13:20)

…6 He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, will reveal Myself to him in a vision; I will speak to him in a dream. 7 But this is not so with My servant Moses; he is faithful in all My house. 8 I speak with him face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you unafraid to speak against My servant Moses?”

God said He would raise up a Prophet like unto Moses. Have you not learned that Prophet was Jesus the Son of God.
A Prophet will I raise up for them from the midst of their brothers like you; and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will speak to them all that I command Him. And the man who will not listen to My words which He will speak in My name, I Myself will require it from him. (Deut. 18:18,19)

This One declared God to the world? This One defined and manifested God as never before, including Moses.
No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. (John 1:18)

Put no trust in an excuse that only Moses spoke the clear words of God.
And this Son of God taught His disciples we should receive His word and the word of His apostles.
For the words which You gave Me I have given to them, and they received them and knew truly that I came forth from You, and they have believed that You sent Me. (John 17:8)
I have given them Your word, and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world even as I am not of the world. (v.14)
And I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who believe into Me through their word, (v.20)

Furthermore, even though Moses wrote clearly what he heard from God that did not make it unnecessary to have
intructors to help the Iraelites to grasp the sense and meaning.

Also Jeshua and Bani and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites helped the people understand the law; and the people stood in their place. And they read in the book, in the law of God, interpreting and giving the sense, so that they understood the reading. (Neh. 8:7,8)

The need for godly men and women to help Christians also to understand the by interpretation the sense of the New Testament
does not mean God's speaking in it is of a poorer less clear authority.

 

[Diamond72]

You better come forward and learn what the Son of God

That pretty much goes without saying but Moses clearly tells us about Jesus.

Deuteronomy 18:15​

The LORD your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to Him

The New Testament apostle Paul

Paul is pretty much third hand information. David explains Moses to us and Paul explains David. To provide a rough estimate, the phrase "it is written" occurs around 50 times in Paul's letters across various translations of the Bible. Perhaps you need to pay attention to what is written that Paul wants you to examine.

under inspiration of the Holy Spirit

We all have the Holy Spirit or God and we do not need man to teach us. Esp Paul when Peter refers to some of the writings of Paul as being "hard to understand." (2 Peter 3:15-16)

"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

John is emphasizes the role of the Holy Spirit or the anointing from God in guiding and instructing believers
"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

John 2:27 is emphasizing the role of the Holy Spirit or the anointing from God in guiding and instructing believers

"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and ; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

You better come forward and learn what the Son of God says

I quoted you a scripture. You can do whatever you want with that scripture. It does not matter to me.
I have nothing to add to what the Bible tells us.

 

[Diamond72]

Yes, He does come back to the earth but this time in power and great glory with His angelic army.

The first time He came as the Lamb of God, next He shall come as the Lion of Judah. Then the Lion and the Lamb will lay down together.

The term "Lion of Judah" is a reference to Jesus' triumphant and powerful return, symbolizing strength, authority, and kingship. It comes from the Old Testament, particularly from the Messianic prophecy in Genesis 49:9-10, where Jacob blesses his son Judah.

 

[oikonomia]

Paul is pretty much third hand information.

God entrusted the writing of some 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament to Paul.
Rather than third hand he was divinely used "to complete the word of God."

Of which I became a minister according to the stewardship of God, which was given to me for you, to complete the word of God, (Col.1:25)

David explains Moses to us and Paul explains David.

The Apostle Paul was used to explain "the mystery" which was hidden from generations, which neither David nor Moses knew as well.

The mystery which has been hidden from the ages and from the generations but now has been manifested to His saints;
To whom God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this
mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory, (Col. 1:26,27)

To provide a rough estimate, the phrase "it is written" occurs around 50 times in Paul's letters across various translations of the Bible. Perhaps you need to pay attention to what is written that Paul wants you to examine.

Perhaps you should desire less to be a teacher of the Mosiac Law and become a new covenant minister.
Paul and the NT apostles were used to reveal to man mysteries of God's economy hidden from previous generations.

. . . the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which has been kept in silence in the times of the ages
But has now been manifested, and through the prophetic writings, according to the command of the eternal God, (See Romans 16:25,26)

These things, Jesus assured us, were longed to be seen by Old Testament prophets and righteous men. But they did not see them.

But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men have desired to perceive
the things that you see, and have not perceived them, and to hear the things that you hear, and have not heard them. (Matt. 13:16,17)

We all have the Holy Spirit or God and we do not need man to teach us. Esp Paul when Peter refers to some of the writings of Paul as being "hard to understand." (2 Peter 3:15-16)

You over stretch the meaning of that verse - And as for you, the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone teach you; but as His anointing teaches you concerning all things and is true and is not a lie, and even as it has taught you, abide in Him. ( First John 2:27)

The main thing the anointing of the Holy Spirit teaches is to "abide in Him". Through out the letter the Apostle John is obviously teaching. He reminds his audience that the utmost critical thing the Holy Spirit teaches is to "abide in Him". He is a living presence within the believers.

If John had meant there was absolutely no need for his teaching, exhortations, words of explanation then he wouldn't have written his
Gospel, his three letters, and the book of Revelation.

Your excuse that no teachers are needed (except of course yourself here) is contrary to Christ's supplying "teachers" to the church universal.

He is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens that He might fill all things.)
And He Himself gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as shepherds and teachers,
For the perfecting of the saints unto the work of the ministry, unto the building up of the Body of Christ, (Eph. 4:10b-12)

"shepherds and teachers" are one functioning person not two.

The gifted ones including "shepherds and teachers" teach by example and help the saints to do the same thing that they do.
For the perfecting of the saints unto the work of the ministry, unto the building up of the Body of Christ,

While you "teach" that there is no need for teachers in the new covenant, Paul instucts Timothy to train others who
can also like Paul and Timothy, be faithful and competent to teach others of the apostolic teaching.

And the things which you have heard from me through many witnesses, these commit to faithful men, who will be competent to teach others also. ( 2 Tim. 2;2)

The Lord wants the church people to live through Christ and teach one another also.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to God. ( Col. 3:16)

 

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"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

The major teaching of the anointing is to teach Christians to "abide in Him."
Jesus is not a dead system of dogmas. He is ever a living Person.
If we know all doctrines but do not learn to abide in Him it is vain.

John in writing his letter is surely reminiscient of the fact that Jesus said He ever was the true vine.
And without abiding in Him, being supplied by His flowing spiritual life, we can do nothing.

Abide in Me and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. (John 15:4,5)

Every "teacher" such as what you are attempting to do here, who simultaneously claims that God's people today need no teacher
is being hypocritical.

I quoted you a scripture. You can do whatever you want with that scripture. It does not matter to me.
I have nothing to add to what the Bible tells us.

You refer to Peter saying Paul's writings were hard for some to understand.

1.) He said they were hard for SOME listeners did not understand but twisted.
2.) His overall tone was not negative but positive concerning Paul's letters.
3.) He said the unstable TWISTED the things Paul wrote which they did not understand.
4.) He encourages rather than discourages them to receive Paul's wisdom.
5.) He refers to Paul as "our beloved brother Paul".
6.) He admits Paul's wisdom is from God.
7.) He places Paul's letters on the same level of authority as "the rest of Scriptures."
8.) It is the unlearned and unstable who twist Paul's letters.
9.) This is similar to Paul warning that the natural man could not understand the things of the Spirit of God in First Corinthians.

Read this again now and see if you cannot miss Peter's heart.

. . . even as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you,
As also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these things, in which some things are hard to understand, which the unlearned and unstable twist, as also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Pet. 3:15,16)

 

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Every "teacher" such as what you are attempting to do here, who simultaneously claims that God's people today need no teacher
is being hypocritical.

Again, I quoted you a scripture. You can do what you want with that. Perhaps you and me do not interpret the Bible the same. Maybe you need the Holy Spirit of God to guide you and help you in your understanding of the word of God. Whatever you accuse me of, you are most likely guilty of and you need to face it in ourself. Rather then to go around accusing everyone of everything. Get the log out of your own eye first.

The phrase "get the log out of your own eye first" is a metaphor used by Jesus in the New Testament of the Bible, specifically in the Gospel of Matthew. It is part of Jesus' teaching on judging others and dealing with one's own faults and shortcomings.

The full passage comes from Matthew 7:3-5 (New King James Version):
"And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

In this teaching, Jesus uses exaggeration (a "plank" or "log" in one's eye) to highlight the hypocrisy of being overly critical of others while ignoring one's own significant faults. He encourages self-reflection and self-improvement before attempting to help others with their issues.
The message is about being humble, introspective, and addressing one's own shortcomings before trying to correct or judge others. It calls for a focus on personal growth and self-awareness in our interactions with others.

 

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Read this again now and see if you cannot miss Peter's heart.

Actually this is something I personally talked with Paul about. If people 2,000 years ago in Paul's own day had problems understanding him, then what about the people today. Paul would want to know how well they receive His teaching today. Can you imagine talking to people 2,000 years into the future?

 

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God entrusted the writing of some 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament to Paul.

Actually Paul wrote letters and epistles to church that asked for his opinion on theological questions. The letters have been preserved for us today because of the authority that people believe Paul had. We have to look at who Paul was writing to before we can consider what sort of an impact that has on us today.