BREAKING NEWS Hamas fire rockets into Israel

[Landon Caeli]

Have I missed one of his new prophets on the news? Otherwise where is the order? I checked my spam. Last I heard love all as self still held

So set all murderers free? Let all the rapists go?

What kind of world do you think that would create?

 

[timothyu]

One form of punishment could be to have more land taken away.

Settlers took it upon themselves to do just that without even calling it a punishment. Just cause they felt entitled to. Self interest is the will of man and opposite to God's will. Not much wonder the people chose Barabbas.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Right, that's what I thought. This inconsistency in your judgment shows that you're not really interested in justice. You're mama-bearing over Israel while ignoring the injustice they perpetrate against the Palestinians. No one is saying either side is entirely right; they're both wrong for using violence to solve their problems. The point is to recognize that rather than making excuses for one side to be the bad guys.

It's like Jesus said, "These people draw near to me with their lips, but their heart is far from me". You say with your lips that you want justice, while ignoring the bad in the group that you personally like. That is corruption.

You only quoted the word no. Then you built a strawman argument out of it.

...Not a good look.

 

[timothyu]

So set all murderers free? Let all the rapists go?

What kind of world do you think that would create?

We have a criminal system for that. You seem to be promoting military vigilante-ism. In other words repay in the same way that caused upset in the first place. Man is so dumb if they think they can cure a problem by addressing it in the same way that angered them.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Settlers took it upon themselves to do just that without even calling it a punishment. Just cause they felt entitled to. Self interest is the will of man and opposite to God's will. Not much wonder the people chose Barabbas.

Sorry but that's not true. The original settlers bought the land fair and square back in the late 1800's... It wasn't until the Jews declared independence that the "Palestinians" started calling them Zionists and began the constant terrorist attacks. Once the terrorism started, Israel started taking land, to secure and isolate themselves from the savages.

Palestine must pay a punishment for every terrorist attack. It's justice.

 

[Landon Caeli]

We have a criminal system for that. You seem to be promoting military vigilante-ism. In other words repay in the same way that caused upset in the first place. Man is so dumb if they think they can cure a problem by addressing it in the same way that angered them.

Nobody cares about their hot tempers. Act civilly or pay the consequences. Eventually, the "Palestinians" will run out of land to pay for their crimes, at which point, they will all have to move away and get absorbed by other Arab countries.

...Time will solve this whole thing.

 

[John Helpher]

You only quoted the word no. Then you built a strawman argument out of it.

I was assuming you were paying attention to the context, since the "no" which I quoted was yours. But, here it is; you said there is "no excuse for murder". But, I had the distinct impression that your manner indicated more of a self-righteous attitude toward Palestinians than a genuine conviction regarding the sanctity of life, and it turns out, I was right. When I asked if you'd make the same judgment of the Israelis when they kill Palestinians, you said no. In other words, it looks like what you actually mean is that there is an excuse for murder, so long as you belong to the correct group.

Id' say hypocrisy is pretty up there in the "not a good look" category.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I was assuming you were paying attention to the context, since the "no" which I quoted was yours. But, here it is; you said there is "no excuse for murder". But, I had the distinct impression that your manner indicated more of a self-righteous attitude toward Palestinians than a genuine conviction regarding the sanctity of life, and it turns out, I was right. When I asked if you'd make the same judgment of the Israelis when they kill Palestinians, you said no. In other words, it looks like what you actually mean is that there is an excuse for murder, so long as you belong to the correct group.

Id' say hypocrisy is pretty up there in the "not a good look" category.

Every Israeli attack has been a reaction to a "Palestinian" terror attack.

...Justice being handed out accordingly. But the most recent terror attack is going to call for a much harsher punishment.

 

[timothyu]

Every Israeli attack has been a reaction to a "Palestinian" terror attack.

...Justice being handed out accordingly.

Which creates an endless cycle. Useless if the intent was ever to resolve. Not God's will to repeat the cycles but no one listens to Him.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Which creates an endless cycle. Useless if the intent was ever to resolve. Not God's will to repeat the cycles but no one listens to Him.

If the terrorists would stop with the terrorism, the punishments would end.

 

[John Helpher]

Every Israeli attack has been a reaction to a "Palestinian" terror attack.

So murder is justified if it's in response to murder? It'd be nice to see some Christians who do actually promote the teachings of Jesus.

 

[timothyu]

If the terrorists would stop with the terrorism, the punishments would end.

Possibly but the self justification of both sides for acts that irritate each other never ends. Too self absorbed to think about others.

 

[Lukaris]

Like what?

On a moral scale just like the Palestinian terrorists. Atrocities have been committed by Israeli forces against Palestinian civilians as in massacres during the 1982-3 war in Lebanon ( for ex.);

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I am speaking of the bigger historical picture as in like the conflict between the Catholics & Protestants in Northern Ireland. The conflict is deep rooted and no side is right in the big picture. Plus, I mentioned in post #83 that Israel has given technical aid to the Moslem Azerbaijani aggression against the Christian Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh (& for what?).

 

[FireDragon76]

For some historical context...

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Meanwhile, Israel offers Muslims a voice in the Knesset and allows them to hold judicial positions in Israel.

It's pretty clear which side wants to "get rid of" the other vs. which side is "trying to make the best of a tough situation"

When given the option, Muslim countries opt to run the Jews "out of town", Jews offer to give Muslims a voice in their government.


To quote Bill Maher, if the woke BDS types had to spend a week in the Palestinian region, they'd be running for Tel Aviv begging them to take them in.

Not all Palestinians are Muslims.

There are many Palestinian refugees that are not allowed to return to the lands their ancestors lived on.

 

[Landon Caeli]

So murder is justified if it's in response to murder? It'd be nice to see some Christians who do actually promote the teachings of Jesus.

It's not reasonable to imprison people who live outside your borders. So in this case, other means have to be taken for the sake of remedial action.

...But no, you can't just let murderers go without punishment, if that's what you're suggesting. According to that line of reason, we should let all crime go unpunished, and wait for God to dole out punishments after death... That's not going to work.

 

[timothyu]

It's not reasonable to imprison people who live outside your borders.

Hamas says it has enough prisoners now for a complete past prisoner swap with Israel, so yes they do. I hear the US does the same.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Hamas says it has enough prisoners now for a complete past prisoner swap with Israel, so yes they do. I hear the US does the same.

So you support Israeli armed raids in Gaza, where Hamas leaders are abducted and taken to Israel to face trial?

...That doesn't seem safe though. What are the odds of an armed confrontation?

 

[timothyu]

No just passing along what was said on the news.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No just passing along what was said on the news.

Are you even bothered that "Palestinian" terrorists walked into innocent peoples houses, and abducted young girls and children..? And elderly people too..? Is that not pure evil..?

 

[timothyu]

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