How Old is the Earth?

[Astrid]

What is dishonest of them written in their Statement of Faith?

It's honest in the same way that a
bank robber is being honest if he
says he does it.

You do see in the AIG statement a commitment
intellectual dishonesty?

 

[FaithT]

It's honest in the same way that a
bank robber is being honest if he
says he does it.

You do see in the AIG statement a commitment
intellectual dishonesty?

No I don’t.

 

[FaithT]

It doesn’t really matterif they believe what they say or not. I am leaning toward disagreeing with them anyway.

 

[Astrid]

No I don’t.

Hmm, ok.

I suppose for those who didn't major in amy of
the sciences, the topic of scientific integrity has
not necessarily been a topic of interest.

You might tho like to go through this-

Scientific Integrity and the Ethics of 'Utter Honesty'

Honesty is a core scientific virtue, but what does it require of us?

thereader.mitpress.mit.edu

As related directly to the AIG thing-

They pledge to put a predetermined conclusion ahead of
and regardless of all data, all facts is pure and refined
scientific dishonesty. There's other ways they display
a lack of integrity, but that's in a pledge.

The notorious tobacco " research" of years gone by was
done that way. "Let's prove tobacco is harmless".

Totally dishonest. I doubt any were so stupid they
didn't know what they were doing.

Regard.ess, I was not really concerned with the
individuals, but with AIG and its inherently dishonest
nature.

 

[FaithT]

Hmm, ok.

I suppose for those who didn't major in amy of
the sciences, the topic of scientific integrity has
not necessarily been a topic of interest.

You might tho like to go through this-

Scientific Integrity and the Ethics of 'Utter Honesty'

Honesty is a core scientific virtue, but what does it require of us?

thereader.mitpress.mit.edu

As related directly to the AIG thing-

They pledge to put a predetermined conclusion ahead of
and regardless of all data, all facts is pure and refined
scientific dishonesty. There's other ways they display
a lack of integrity, but that's in a pledge.

The notorious tobacco " research" of years gone by was
done that way. "Let's prove tobacco is harmless".

Totally dishonest. I doubt any were so stupid they
didn't know what they were doing.

Regard.ess, I was not really concerned with the
individuals, but with AIG and its inherently dishonest
nature.

Ok, I understand. But that’s what some people do here, too. Start with a certain position then reject all evidence which conflicts with anything contrary to their position. For the record, I think that’s wrong and people should look at the evidence first, then base their conclusions on the evidence.

 

[Astrid]

Ok, I understand. But that’s what some people do here, too. Start with a certain position then reject all evidence which conflicts with anything contrary to their position. For the record, I think that’s wrong and people should look at the evidence first, then base their conclusions on the evidence.

Anyone who does that in the name of science
is a clown and a disgrace.

Those who do it in the name of Faith are
displaying a highest virtue.

That's the difference.

 

[sjastro]

This is slightly off topic but one of the things that gets me about AIG is how, on their internet news program (whatever it’s called) the “experts” fake laugh whenever they’re talking about the other side. It really makes them sound as if they’re trying to convince themselves of the things they’re spouting off.

I haven't seen any AIG videos but generally laughter is used to mock the other side.
Ken Hovind engages in mockery and also provides an example of a creationist bending the truth about science to make a point.
In the video the Hovind claims a "professor" explained to him the Big Bang was a small dot that rotated faster and faster before it exploded 20 billion years ago.
This is not a description of the Big Bang, either Hovind made up the story or the "professor" doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the video the Hovind claims a "professor" explained to him the Big Bang was a small dot that rotated faster and faster before it exploded 20 billion years ago.
This is not a description of the Big Bang, either Hovind made up the story or the "professor" doesn't know what he is talking about.

From the Father of the Big Bang Theory:

According to the Big Bang theory, the expansion of the observable universe began with the explosion of a single particle at a definite point in time.

SOURCE

 

[sjastro]

From the Father of the Big Bang Theory:



SOURCE

Did you bother reading the article in its entirety?
Exploding particles such as primordial atoms or cosmic eggs as they were called in late 1920s reflected the level of understanding of the Big Bang at the time.
Our understanding of the Big Bang over the last 100 years has somewhat changed which the article also references.

His idea that the universe had an explosive birth was developed much further by other cosmologists, including George Gamow, to become the modern Big Bang theory. While contemporary views of the early universe differ in many respects from Lemaître’s “primordial atom,” his work had nevertheless opened the way. Shortly before his death, Lemaître learned that Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson had discovered the cosmic microwave background radiation, the first and still most important observational evidence in support of the Big Bang.

Your attempts to defend Hovind's dishonesty has backfired.

 

[Aaron112]

Yet agreeing with Hovind's honesty and truth has never backfired.

 

[partinobodycular]

Yet agreeing with Hovind's honesty and truth has never backfired.

There is such a thing?

 

[Aaron112]

There is such a thing?

Do you choose to agree with any poster's honesty , if and when there is such a thing ?

 

[partinobodycular]

Do you choose to agree with any poster's honesty , if and when there is such a thing ?

Actually... yes. Honesty and humility are the two qualities that admire most... people seem to forget however that the phrase that best embodies them both is... I don't know.

 

[sjastro]

Yet agreeing with Hovind's honesty and truth has never backfired.

If Hovind is being honest then you should have no difficulty in showing modern day textbooks on cosmology indicate the Big Bang was the result of a particle that spun faster and faster until it exploded 20 billion years ago.

 

[Aaron112]

Actually... yes. Honesty and humility are the two qualities that admire most... people seem to forget however that the phrase that best embodies them both is... I don't know.

That's basically correct IF YOU DON'T KNOW.

And still the question is if someone is willing to seek honesty (with humility if you like)
or not , to always about everything keep seeking the truth, or not?

 

[Aaron112]

If Hovind is being honest then you should have no difficulty in showing modern day textbooks on cosmology indicate the Big Bang was the result of a particle that spun faster and faster until it exploded 20 billion years ago.

No one on this forum, or in any school, anywhere, has proven that textbooks can be trusted.

 

[Aaron112]

 

[partinobodycular]

And still the question is if someone is willing to seek honesty (with humility if you like)
or not , to always about everything keep seeking the truth, or not?

And there's the problem, some people don't keep seeking... they arrogantly assume that they've already found it, Ken Hovind comes to mind. How about you... are you still seeking... or have you already found it?

 

[Astrid]

There is such a thing?

Thats why it never bacfires

 

[Aaron112]

And there's the problem, some people don't keep seeking... they arrogantly assume that they've already found it, Ken Hovind comes to mind. How about you... are you still seeking... or have you already found it?

In line with All Yahweh's Word, Plan and Purpose, to all who seek and keep seeking truth,
He has revealed truth/salvation / 'everything'(not in full, but all that's needed)
to us who abide in Jesus the Truth,
while He Delights to hide the Truth from the educated ones, as Jesus Himself Says.

The Apostles, and the "wise man" described in Proverbs, or perhaps the "spiritually alive ones" , keep seeking to understand ,
with The Apostle Paul not yet having gotten to the end, or finish, of being fully and completely complete in Christ Jesus,
but resting IN Him, trusting in Him, abiding In Him, as His Word Clearly Says,
we grow in Him day to day until we see Him as He Is, then we will be perfectly like Him.