House releases overview of evidence against Biden

[The Barbarian]

This might be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read on this forum. Let's see...voters proven stupid....

1. Anyone voting for Biden because they imagined he was able or even interested in reaching across the partisan divide to get things done.
2. Anyone who didn't believe there is or was a border crisis.
3. Anyone who voted for candidates because they platformed "bail reform" and any other criminal justice measures.
4. Anyone who thought "food deserts" were caused by racism and voting for a non-white candidate would end them.
5. Anyone who voted for Joe thinking there was no way he would throw their money at another pointless war.
6. Anyone who thought mask/vaccine mandates were a good idea.
7. Anyone who voted in favor of trans-people getting special bathroom privileges and it wouldn't immediately be followed by more demands for special privileges and be taken advantage of by sex criminals.
8. Anyone who thinks it's important to sexualize children in the classroom, parents shouldn't have any say in their children's education, and the "don't say gay" bill punished teachers for saying "gay".
9. Anyone who voted for Biden because they thought "diversity and inclusion" mean something other than promoting institutionalized racism and sexism.
10. Anyone who believed that government efforts to censor the public and experts on covid or it's origins or it's treatments wasn't just legal but also a good idea.

I can only point out that a large majority of Americans didn't fall for those stories and fired Trump anyway. As pointed out earlier, Americans can sometimes be fooled, but they weren't stupid enough to buy that stuff.

 

[Say it aint so]

Not yet anyway. Maybe no cause will be found. But there is enough between emails, texts, what's app, statements, money flowing to Biden, phone calls at prime time, photos of Biden with the people who were giving Hunter the money, shell companies etc. All of that are absolutely reasons to do and keep the I investigation going. Maybe nothing will be found to provide enough to impeach. But there's enough there to keep going.

We need all the bank statements and payments.

No they are not enough for anything. Money flowed to Hunter and his associates. His business partner explained the contents of phone calls with Joe and none were about business. Photos don't mean anything. There is enough indeed to look at Hunter, and DOJ is, but it appears there is nothing illegal there outside of taxes and maybe FARA. We had one hearing. At this first hearing what was presented were three people who didn't know anything about anything. GOP quote hacking texts and getting caught, and the GOP preventing interviews from Hunter's own business partner from being entered into the hearing record. There is a lot of American who don't think this is warranted at all, so one would think they would come out with guns blazing to show why it is, yet what they showed is this is not a justification to continue anything.

 

[rjs330]

That one backfired on the republicans, too...

A high-ranking FBI official involved in the Hunter Biden investigation refuted key testimony from an IRS whistleblower who claimed the top prosecutor on the case was stymied by the Department of Justice (DOJ) in bringing charges outside Delaware.

Thomas Sobocinski, the FBI lead on the team investigating Hunter Biden, spoke with House investigators last week, pushing back on testimony from another agent in the case who said now-special counsel David Weiss was denied that authority and limited from bringing charges in districts beyond Delaware.

FBI official refutes top GOP claims on Hunter Biden investigation

A high-ranking FBI official involved in the Hunter Biden investigation refuted key testimony from an IRS whistleblower who claimed the top prosecutor on the case was stymied by the Department of Ju…

thehill.com

Whoops. Kinda like Devon Archer was going to blow the lid off on Hunter Biden, um?

A high ranking official huh. Well gee those high ranking officials couldn't possibly be under pressure from the Biden team. One member refuting another member? And people don't want to think the FBI is a mess or corrupt? One agent countering another agent?

We need someone to to start going through the financial records of everyone and every thing connected to this. We need to do it with a fine tooth comb. After all that's what everyone demanded be done with Trumps financials and his business financials. Let's do that for the Bidens and see what comes up.

 

[Say it aint so]

A high ranking official huh. Well gee those high ranking officials couldn't possibly be under pressure from the Biden team. One member refuting another member? And people don't want to think the FBI is a mess or corrupt? One agent countering another agent?

We need someone to to start going through the financial records of everyone and every thing connected to this. We need to do it with a fine tooth comb. After all that's what everyone demanded be done with Trumps financials and his business financials. Let's do that for the Bidens and see what comes up.

Don't confuse Biden/Garland for Trump/Bill Barr.

 

[rjs330]

No they are not enough for anything. Money flowed to Hunter and his associates. His business partner explained the contents of phone calls with Joe and none were about business. Photos don't mean anything. There is enough indeed to look at Hunter, and DOJ is, but it appears there is nothing illegal there outside of taxes and maybe FARA. We had one hearing. At this first hearing what was presented were three people who didn't know anything about anything. GOP quote hacking texts and getting caught, and the GOP preventing interviews from Hunter's own business partner from being entered into the hearing record. There is a lot of American who don't think this is warranted at all, so one would think they would come out with guns blazing to show why it is, yet what they showed is this is not a justification to continue anything.

Thanks for your opinion. But they are enough. Maybe not enough to impeach just yet, but certainly enough to keep the investigation going. What Americans think is irrelevant because America is divided. Almost half the country wouldn't support any impeachment no matter what was found.

And to say there isn't enough to keep going is blatant partisanship. I expect nothing else.

 

[rjs330]

I can only point out that a large majority of Americans didn't fall for those stories and fired Trump anyway. As pointed out earlier, Americans can sometimes be fooled, but they weren't stupid enough to buy that stuff.

That's funny cause those things are exactly why they voted for Biden. They did believe those stories.

 

[Say it aint so]

Thanks for your opinion. But they are enough. Maybe not enough to impeach just yet, but certainly enough to keep the investigation going. What Americans think is irrelevant because America is divided. Almost half the country wouldn't support any impeachment no matter what was found.

And to say there isn't enough to keep going is blatant partisanship. I expect nothing else.

That is a fact based opinion.
I noted what the House GOP have offered.
Cooked texts.
Witnesses who know nothing.
Blocking testimony.

They are zero for the entire episode.

 

[essentialsaltes]

A high ranking official huh.

Actually, Shapley's version of what Weiss said is contradicted by Weiss himself, and three other people who were at the meeting.

 

[rjs330]

Don't confuse Biden/Garland for Trump/Bill Barr.

Why would I? We are talking about Biden right?

 

[Say it aint so]

Why would I? We are talking about Biden right?

Yes, but implicated the real actions of Trump/Barr. I found it odd.

 

[BPPLEE]

Hey look, more vague innuendo supported by nothing but "if".

Edit: make that WHEN you lie

 

[BPPLEE]

Don't confuse Biden/Garland for Trump/Bill Barr.

You mean the same Garland that couldn’t recall if he had spoken to the FBI?

 

[KCfromNC]

Not yet anyway. Maybe no cause will be found. But there is enough between emails, texts, what's app, statements, money flowing to Biden, phone calls at prime time, photos of Biden with the people who were giving Hunter the money, shell companies etc.

Weird that if this were true, the GOP couldn't find anyone to testify about them at their recent hearing.

I'm reminded of all the claims of election fraud which shockingly dried up when the venue had actual legal penalties for lying.

 

[KCfromNC]

Edit: make that WHEN you lie

Is there any chance of getting any sort of specific, evidence based accusation here, or is it all vague innuendo that jumps to a different topic the second it is questioned?

 

[The Barbarian]

A high ranking official huh. Well gee those high ranking officials couldn't possibly be under pressure from the Biden team.

So if several FBI officials deny allegations against Biden, and another FBI official says that someone said something against Biden, then the several FBI agents must be lying? That's a very telling assumption on your part.

We need someone to to start going through the financial records of everyone and every thing connected to this. We need to do it with a fine tooth comb. After all that's what everyone demanded be done with Trumps financials and his business financials.

There was evidence of wrong doing in Trump's case. The republican position seems to be "if we can look through everything in Biden's life, we might find some evidence, too."

Don't confuse Biden/Garland for Trump/Bill Barr.

Pretty much the issue, here.

 

[The Barbarian]

That's funny cause those things are exactly why they voted for Biden. They did believe those stories.

Comes down to the evidence. And that was why we fired Trump and hired Biden. For most of us, it takes more than stories.

 

[The Barbarian]

Is there any chance of getting any sort of specific, evidence based accusation here, or is it all vague innuendo that jumps to a different topic the second it is questioned?

Seems to be the way it works. Understandable. They're doing what they can with what they have.

 

[The Barbarian]

Actually, Shapley's version of what Weiss said is contradicted by Weiss himself, and three other people who were at the meeting.

It seems to be all political theater, where facts mean nothing to the far right.

 

[BPPLEE]

Is there any chance of getting any sort of specific, evidence based accusation here, or is it all vague innuendo that jumps to a different topic the second it is questioned?

There are many on the right who continue to shill for a candidate no matter what he does but it’s just as shocking how many on the left are in utter denial and refuse to see the obvious.

 

[Aldebaran]

Just...what? Proof is evidence that establishes a fact.
A judge is there to decide on whether evidence presented is admissible. The fact in the first instance would be 'a crime has been committed'. You have suspicions that someone is guilty. But you haven't have even established a crime yet.


People say that this is all smoke and mirrors. But gee, there's not even any smoke.

Then why are you talking about it?