Illinois man pleads guilty to driving car into Planned Parenthood, setting abortion clinic on fire

[dwb001]

Really? You are not allowed to travel to where prostitution is legal to do it?

It is legal in some countries to have sex with underage children. Should it be legal to go to said country and have sex with an underage person?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sex tourism is illegal... why not abortion tourism?

Not irrelevant.

Irrelevant. The crime here is attempted arson.

 

[dwb001]

Irrelevant. The crime here is attempted arson.

That is not the issue I am discussing.

Sure the arsonist should be held accountable. Jail, fine and probation.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That is not the issue I am discussing.

However, that issue, the arson, is the topic of this thread.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Sex tourism is illegal... why not abortion tourism?

Not irrelevant.

If I can travel from one state where abortion is legal to get an abortion in another state, then that could potentially be construed as "interstate commerce." Whether or not it's illegal in a specific state is unimportant because we're not referring to any specific case where that actually happened (since the clinic doesn't even exist yet). And, as I've already pointed out multiple times, there are other possible reasons for bringing in the interstate commerce factor that have absolutely nothing to do with abortion. Without reading the indictment, this is all speculation.

 

[durangodawood]

It is legal in some countries to have sex with underage children. Should it be legal to go to said country and have sex with an underage person?

If it was illegal to do that, that would mean the laws of your country have jurisdiction everywhere in the world. And every other countrys laws have jurisdiction here. Im not sure we want to go there.

We might just have to accept that there are different rules in different places, for better or worse.

 

[dwb001]

However, that issue, the arson, is the topic of this thread.

One of many... but that one is already settled.

 

[dwb001]

If it was illegal to do that, that would mean the laws of your country have jurisdiction everywhere in the world. And every other countrys laws have jurisdiction here. Im not sure we want to go there.

We might just have to accept that there are different rules in different places, for better or worse.

But that is the law in the US. Sorry, but keep your underage nookie at home or 18 USC 2423 will come for you.

 

[dwb001]

If I can travel from one state where abortion is legal to get an abortion in another state, then that could potentially be construed as "interstate commerce." Whether or not it's illegal in a specific state is unimportant because we're not referring to any specific case where that actually happened (since the clinic doesn't even exist yet). And, as I've already pointed out multiple times, there are other possible reasons for bringing in the interstate commerce factor that have absolutely nothing to do with abortion. Without reading the indictment, this is all speculation.

Then stop speculating.

 

[Belk]

Sex tourism is illegal... why not abortion tourism?

Not irrelevant.

Arizona would like a word.

 

[durangodawood]

But that is the law in the US. Sorry, but keep your underage nookie at home or 18 USC 2423 will come for you.

Yes in the US. Dont violate US law in the US.

But if youre 18 you can go drink beers in Amsterdam and not worry about facing the law when you come home to Florida.

 

[dwb001]

Arizona would like a word.

Give them my number.

 

[dwb001]

Yes in the US. Dont violate US law in the US.

But if youre 18 you can go drink beers in Amsterdam and not worry about facing the law when you come home to Florida.

You should read the code before commenting on it.

If you travel for illicit sex outside the US you face 30 years.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If people want to talk about crossing international boundaries for illegal activity, go make a thread for it. Not the topic here.

 

[dwb001]

If people want to talk about crossing international boundaries for illegal activity, go make a thread for it. Not the topic here.

It became the topic because of how people directed the conversation. It is now part of the conversation.

 

[durangodawood]

You should read the code before commenting on it.

If you travel for illicit sex outside the US you face 30 years.

Its a specific application of law. It does not make all domestic illegal activity also illegal to do elsewhere.

As the concept applies to this case, most states allow you to travel elsewhere for an abortion. So theres your interstate commerce I guess.

 

[dwb001]

Its a specific application of law. It does not make all domestic illegal activity also illegal to do elsewhere.

I never said it did.

As the concept applies to this case, most states allow you to travel elsewhere for an abortion. So theres your interstate commerce I guess.

I don't agree with your assessment of the current state of affairs in the US.

You say most states... so if some states outlaw transport for an abortion you would back that?

That is the point I was making about interstate commerce.

 

[Arcangl86]

Would it not just be crossing state lines to conduct commerce? Nothing complicated there.

It is not. Something can affect interstate commerce even if it itself does not cross state lines or people cross state lines to be there.

 

[dwb001]

It is not. Something can affect interstate commerce even if it itself does not cross state lines or people cross state lines to be there.

Like what?

 

[durangodawood]

I never said it did.

I don't agree with your assessment of the current state of affairs in the US.

You say most states... so if some states outlaw transport for an abortion you would back that?

That is the point I was making about interstate commerce.

Would I back what? States outlawing going to other states for an abortions? No. I think abortion should be legal roughly like it was under Roe.

But even if some states outlaw it, its still interstate commerce if others dont.