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Messiah Jesus is Made To Be a Liar According to the Wailing Wall

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If you believe that Messiah Jesus was always correct and never lies, how do you explain Mark 13:1-2, Matthew 24:1-2, and Luke 21:5-6?

[Mar 13:1-2 LSB] 1 And as He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!" 2 And Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down."

It's very clear that the New Testament Gospel writers record that Jesus predicted total and complete destruction of the 2nd temple complex. It is verified and accepted history that the Roman army beseiged, captured and ultimately destroyed the temple and the city walls in 70 AD.

Yet, we are told by the Jewish religious leaders and archaeologists that a portion of that temple still exists. The Wailing Wall. The western portion of the temple mount. It is considered one of the most holy sites.

Both can not be true. Either Messiah Jesus is a liar or Jewish tradition is believing a lie. Oh, but the inventive minds of Christian scholars provide an answer. They get around this problem by stating that the Wailing Wall is only the retaining wall of the temple - not really part of the temple itself. But Jesus said "not one stone will be left".

Josephus provides some inconvenient facts in his history. "NOW as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind." War of the Jews, Book VII, Chapter 1

Josephus states the entire city AND temple were demolished. But scholars would have you believe that the army left the foundations intact. Josephus says that part of the city's western wall was spared including 3 truly magnificent towers. This western wall had nothing to do with the temple. But all of the rest of the wall was so thoroughly destroyed no one could even tell anything had ever been there. Anyone can research where the temple was located. It was part of the EASTERN wall of the city. That means, the temple buildings AND the retaining walls and complex would have been thoroughly demolished. Just as Jesus predicted.

But no one has ever discovered where the Roman fort of Antonia was. The fort that was located just north of the temple, on a hill which provided an overview of the temple complex. A fort that was a city within a city. Housing for an entire legion. Why would the Romans destroy their own massive fort? They wouldn't. So what the Jews consider the Wailing Wall and the current temple mount, is actually the location of that Antonia Fortress. They are deluding themselves and believing a lie.

This is an important realization. If any part of the temple still exists, then Jesus is made out to be a liar. Can you accept that?
 
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Jesus spoke everything in a parable ... and only in private did he explain his words to his disciples ... the parables Jesus spoke having no measure to them, understanding all things in the natural are but a dim reflection of the spiritual,

a little discernment

God made the first image, and is in the process of destroying the image he has made, which there will not be in our mind not one stone left upon another of.

that said where do you think this wall will be when this happens ?

Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them.
 
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Jesus spoke everything in a parable ... and only in private did he explain his words to his disciples ... the parables Jesus spoke having no measure to them, understanding all things in the natural are but a dim reflection of the spiritual,

a little discernment

God made the first image, and is in the process of destroying the image he has made, which there will not be in our mind not one stone left upon another of.

that said where do you think this wall will be when this happens ?

Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them.
A truly superb example of how the slippery get around this issue.
 
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If any part of the temple still exists, then Jesus is made out to be a liar. Can you accept that?
Talking like this is blasphemous.
It is plain to anyone without the agenda of making scripture meaningless, that the wall of the Temple mount, which encompasses about 37 acres, is not a part of the actual Temple.
 
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Talking like this is blasphemous.
It is plain to anyone without the agenda of making scripture meaningless, that the wall of the Temple mount, which encompasses about 37 acres, is not a part of the actual Temple.
Not at all. If Jesus didn't mean what He said and there still is a portion of the temple wall existing, then He was lying. Just the facts.
 
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Yet, we are told by the Jewish religious leaders and archaeologists that a portion of that temple still exists. The Wailing Wall. The western portion of the temple mount. It is considered one of the most holy sites.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth was speaking about the Temple not the walls surrounding it.

Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”
 
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Jesus Christ of Nazareth was speaking about the Temple not the walls surrounding it.

Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”
Please do some research. The Wailing Wall is not considered to be a wall "surrounding it". It is supposed to be the retaining wall of the temple mount and part of the east wall of the city.
 
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Please do some research. The Wailing Wall is not considered to be a wall "surrounding it". It is supposed to be the retaining wall of the temple mount and part of the east wall of the city.
A retaining wall is still beyond the actual building. Now if it is the foundation of the temple, then you are on to something however,
it is not the foundation at all. Why? Because the the foundation is now made of the prophets and Apostles with Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the Chief Cornerstone. Blessings.
 
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A retaining wall is still beyond the actual building. Now if it is the foundation of the temple, then you are on to something however,
it is not the foundation at all. Why? Because the the foundation is now made of the prophets and Apostles with Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the Chief Cornerstone. Blessings.
Ok. Another slippery answer trying to explain away the apparent lies of Jesus if there is a part of the temple still standing.
 
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Ok. Another slippery answer trying to explain away the apparent lies of Jesus if there is a part of the temple still standing.
Ah, not a slippery slope unless you are finding reasons not to believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is not one to cause confusion let alone a slippery slope.
 
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Ah, not a slippery slope unless you are finding reasons not to believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is not one to cause confusion let alone a slippery slope.
Actually, the whole point is that anyone who gives a slippery answer to try to explain away the very clear prophecy of Jesus that nothing of the temple will be left standing - that is no stone on top of another - is the one finding a reason not to believe the words of Jesus.
 
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Not at all. If Jesus didn't mean what He said and there still is a portion of the temple wall existing, then He was lying. Just the facts.
Or over time a little leaven was hidden in the meal till the whole was leavened as Jesus predicted that the scriptures were tainted by the enemy so guys like you will not find the only savior that will save you from judgement. You wanna believe Jesus is a liar that is your choice but you still have to stand before God and seek to be forgiven and justified… without Jesus what’s your plan when u have to give an account for your sins? Be prepared… I choose the lamb of God to obey Him

God himself spoke from heaven and testified to His witnesses…This is my beloved Son … Hear ye Him
 
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Or over time a little leaven was hidden in the meal till the whole was leavened as Jesus predicted that the scriptures were tainted by the enemy so guys like you will not find the only savior that will save you from judgement. You wanna believe Jesus is a liar that is your choice but you still have to stand before God and seek to be forgiven and justified… without Jesus what’s your plan when u have to give an account for your sins? Be prepared… I choose the lamb of God to obey Him

God himself spoke from heaven and testified to His witnesses…This is my beloved Son … Hear ye Him
Seriously!!! Does no one read the posts before spouting off? I'm saying Jesus was not lying. Anyone who believes there's still a temple wall around is the one who is lying.
 
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Seriously!!! Does no one read the posts before spouting off? I'm saying Jesus was not lying. Anyone who believes there's still a temple wall around is the one who is lying.
Oh my bad I’m tired today hard day at work lol I must have missed that … i didnt see you were questioning whether He was lying or not
 
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Your going to pay big on judgement day calling Jesus a liar. You have lot nerve disrespecting Jesus and insulting Him.

Revelation chapter 11. The temple is marked for destruction. Because near future, satan as antichrist will have been in temple, claiming to be messiah.
When Jesus returns 7th trump, the walling wall, and temple will be turned into sand.
Zechariah chapter 14. Jesus feet will stand on mount of olives, near future. The temple and wailing wall will be sand. Jesus will establish His own temple during the millennium.
In Matthew chapter 24;2 . Jesus is talking bible prophecy. Jesus returns second advent. Isaiah chapter 61:1
61;2 is second advent. Day of vengeance. Day of the Lord.

Repent. And get out of the seed planting business.
Deuteronomy chapter 29. Names removed from under heaven. It's not to late to repent and get out of the preaching business.
Or your going to pit with false preachers.
On judgement day. It's going to be real sad day. The hammer will drop.
 
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Yet, we are told by the Jewish religious leaders and archaeologists that a portion of that temple still exists. The Wailing Wall. The western portion of the temple mount. It is considered one of the most holy sites.
The Wailing Wall is part of the retaining wall for the temple mount platform - not the temple itself.
 
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Talking like this is blasphemous.
It is plain to anyone without the agenda of making scripture meaningless, that the wall of the Temple mount, which encompasses about 37 acres, is not a part of the actual Temple.
keras, the title of the thread is click bait. The implication is a poor way to start a discussion
 
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keras, the title of the thread is click bait. The implication is a poor way to start a discussion
Says the one who doesn't ever admit he's wrong even after being shown multiple proofs. How about addressing the actual evidence from Josephus before coming to this thread and mocking.
 
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If you believe that Messiah Jesus was always correct and never lies, how do you explain Mark 13:1-2, Matthew 24:1-2, and Luke 21:5-6?

[Mar 13:1-2 LSB] 1 And as He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!" 2 And Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down."

It's very clear that the New Testament Gospel writers record that Jesus predicted total and complete destruction of the 2nd temple complex. It is verified and accepted history that the Roman army beseiged, captured and ultimately destroyed the temple and the city walls in 70 AD.

Yet, we are told by the Jewish religious leaders and archaeologists that a portion of that temple still exists. The Wailing Wall. The western portion of the temple mount. It is considered one of the most holy sites.

Both can not be true. Either Messiah Jesus is a liar or Jewish tradition is believing a lie. Oh, but the inventive minds of Christian scholars provide an answer. They get around this problem by stating that the Wailing Wall is only the retaining wall of the temple - not really part of the temple itself. But Jesus said "not one stone will be left".

Josephus provides some inconvenient facts in his history. "NOW as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind." War of the Jews, Book VII, Chapter 1

Josephus states the entire city AND temple were demolished. But scholars would have you believe that the army left the foundations intact. Josephus says that part of the city's western wall was spared including 3 truly magnificent towers. This western wall had nothing to do with the temple. But all of the rest of the wall was so thoroughly destroyed no one could even tell anything had ever been there. Anyone can research where the temple was located. It was part of the EASTERN wall of the city. That means, the temple buildings AND the retaining walls and complex would have been thoroughly demolished. Just as Jesus predicted.

But no one has ever discovered where the Roman fort of Antonia was. The fort that was located just north of the temple, on a hill which provided an overview of the temple complex. A fort that was a city within a city. Housing for an entire legion. Why would the Romans destroy their own massive fort? They wouldn't. So what the Jews consider the Wailing Wall and the current temple mount, is actually the location of that Antonia Fortress. They are deluding themselves and believing a lie.

This is an important realization. If any part of the temple still exists, then Jesus is made out to be a liar. Can you accept that?




Jerusalem History: The First and Second Temples | Moon Travel ...


outer western wall

Both temples were destroyed, and the main remnant is the outer western wall of the Second Temple courtyard,

Temple courtyard ... not the temple itself .... and no Jesus does not lie.
 
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