Was the earth created before the sun?

[Diamond72]

What does this have to do with
Which came first: the earth or the sun?

In Genesis chapter one we read 10 times: "God Said". Why do we have a sun and a moon? Because God said. Now we have to figure out what God said and when He said it.

According to our current scientific understanding, the sun came first before the moon. The prevailing theory for the formation of the solar system, known as the solar nebula theory or the nebular hypothesis, suggests that the sun formed at the center of a rotating disk of gas and dust. Over time, the material in this disk clumped together to form the various planets, moons, and other celestial bodies.

 

[Richard.20.12]

For the most part that took place at the tower of Babel when God confused the languages. God confused their language so that they could no longer understand each other's speech. As a result, the people were unable to communicate effectively and began to disperse across the Earth.

• Hebrew: Hebrew is an ancient Semitic language with roots going back thousands of years. It is a member of the Afroasiatic language family and shares linguistic ties with other Semitic languages like Arabic and Aramaic.
• Yiddish: Yiddish is a Germanic language that developed among Ashkenazi Jews in Central and Eastern Europe. It emerged during the medieval period as a fusion of Middle High German with Hebrew, Aramaic, Slavic languages, and other influences.

I would think that language changes a LOT over time. Look at English from a thousand years ago. It's practically unintelligible now.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

"The greater light," is mentioned first in Genesis 1:16, but I would not say that refers to the sun.

 

[Richard.20.12]

"The greater light," is mentioned first in Genesis 1:16, but I would not say that refers to the sun.

That was after "dry land" was created in Genesis 1:10. Plus the days of creation also show the Earth created before the sun. The temperature in space is absolute zero without a sun. Not conducive to grass mentioned in verse 11. To me the Gap Theory is the only way to address this issue.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Nevertheless, with "light," used in Genesis 1:16, it may better relate to "light," in John 1:5, and leave the sun and moon to, "he made the stars also," instead. Makes more sense to me, and I am all about sense.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

That was after "dry land" was created in Genesis 1:10. Plus the days of creation also show the Earth created before the sun. The temperature in space is absolute zero without a sun. Not conducive to grass mentioned in verse 11. To me the Gap Theory is the only way to address this issue.

Have you heard of Intelligent Design II it makes a lot more sense.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

There is no mysterious gap in my theory.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The problem is that you are using the words of holy men of God, moved by the Holy Spirit, as the interpretation of the KJV Bible. However, those words may be no more than the media for the Revelation of Jesus Christ, "in few words," from the beginning, across the volume of KJV text. Written by the apostle Paul and the king of Salem, priest to the most high God, as Melchizedek, from the beginning in Genesis 14:18 and second day in Psalms 110:4, and Melchisedec the third day of Creation, in Hebrews, in which chapter seven, verse three; may place him in 1611 England with the production of the King James Version Bible. Written by the Hand of God!

 

[Richard.20.12]

Have you heard of Intelligent Design II it makes a lot more sense.

Creating something in absolute zero that needs specific temperatures to survive doesn't make sense to me. It makes far more sense to have the sun already in place when stuff is created. And I think only the Gap Theory can explain this. Is there any other way? Meaning the Earth was renewed, not created. This also may account for an older Earth which would explain a lot of archaeological finds. Not that we can rely on Potassium Argon dating of course. But even carbon dating goes back tens of thousands of years and most scientists feel that is quite reliable.

Now of course we know God can do anything, anywhere, anytime. But why not just work WITH the physical parameters of the universe? That's the way the world seems to work.

 

[BeyondET]

Genesis 1:



I understood from the above that God made planet earth on Day 3 and the sun on Day 4. Accordingly from the biblical witnessed-time's perspective, the earth showed up before the sun.

On the other hand, from the modern-day astronomy space-time perspective, the sun existed before the earth was formed.

I see them both as true, depending on the time perspective.

See How old is the earth?.

Follow the days, 1,2,4,3,5,6,7 and its fluid instead of God creating a expanse then the earth then back to the expanse to place lights in it. Everything has an order and no sense making up hypothesis about how plants grow without sun light.

 

[BeyondET]

Yes, indeed.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth [← first thing created] was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light [← created after the earth]: and there was light.

Hmm wasn't it the heaven first?

 

[dwb001]

The eye witness account says Earth then light then Sun.

 

[Jipsah]

Genesis 1:



I understood from the above that God made planet earth on Day 3 and the sun on Day 4. Accordingly from the biblical witnessed-time's perspective, the earth showed up before the sun.

On the other hand, from the modern-day astronomy space-time perspective, the sun existed before the earth was formed.

I see them both as true, depending on the time perspective.

See How old is the earth?.

I think that once again you and I are on the same frequency, but I'll just hang back for now and see where you're gonna go with this.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Creating something in absolute zero that needs specific temperatures to survive doesn't make sense to me. It makes far more sense to have the sun already in place when stuff is created. And I think only the Gap Theory can explain this. Is there any other way? Meaning the Earth was renewed, not created. This also may account for an older Earth which would explain a lot of archaeological finds. Not that we can rely on Potassium Argon dating of course. But even carbon dating goes back tens of thousands of years and most scientists feel that is quite reliable.

Now of course we know God can do anything, anywhere, anytime. But why not just work WITH the physical parameters of the universe? That's the way the world seems to work.

Because it must be created before it can be made! This earth, our world, was created, "in the beginning," Genesis 1:1; the Universe was made with the Big Bang, in 2Peter 3:10 KJV. on the fourth day of the Creation.

 

[Michael Snow]

What do you think God had said on Day 0?

Remember that "In the beginning" God created matter and time.

 

[Michael Snow]

Gen. 1:1, God “created” [bara’] the universe. In this synopsis from Exodus, YHWH “made” [‘asa] that is, he set in order (starting on day one which begins in verse 3) the empty, dark earth that existed in verse 2 which was created in verse 1.
Day 4 (sun, moon,...) he set in order what was created "in the beginning"
Exodus 20:11 Misused by Ken Ham and Young Earth Creationists

 

[AV1611VET]

But I still say doesn't it make more sense that the sun would be created before the Earth?

You said it best:

I guess it proves the unbelievable power of God ...

 

[AV1611VET]

Now of course we know God can do anything, anywhere, anytime. But why not just work WITH the physical parameters of the universe?

Because the physical parameters of the universe came later.

That's the way the world seems to work.

Not during the Creation Week though.

Even the laws of thermodynamics didn't apply.

Gravity? yes

Electromagnetism? yes

Thermodynamics? no

One of the basic tenets of thermodynamics is that energy cannot be created.

Yet God spoke things into existence ex nihilo.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hmm wasn't it the heaven first?

Second Heaven

AKA: outer space

 

[AV1611VET]

Gen. 1:1, God “created” [bara’] the universe. In this synopsis from Exodus, YHWH “made” [‘asa] that is, he set in order (starting on day one which begins in verse 3) the empty, dark earth that existed in verse 2 which was created in verse 1.
Day 4 (sun, moon,...) he set in order what was created "in the beginning"
Exodus 20:11 Misused by Ken Ham and Young Earth Creationists

Who (or what) is "YHWH"?