Pope Francis Calls Conservative Catholics “Backward.” Nice guy, huh?

[Michie]

The pope who calls it an “honor” to be criticized by Americans, is name calling conservative Catholics. This is not new. He’s called them “rigid” and “pharisees” among many other nasty things.

I grow tired of this kind of thing. The Church seems to be increasingly opposed to faithful Catholics, especially those who attend the TLM. Pope Francis seems to despise many Catholics who are the ones who attend Mass daily or even on Sundays. He seems to curry the favor of climate alarmists in the media and the United Nations.



The AP: Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the U.S. Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the U.S. Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

Many conservatives have blasted Francis’ emphasis instead on social justice issues such as the environment and the poor, while also branding as heretical his opening to letting divorced and civilly remarried Catholics receive the sacraments.

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[RileyG]

Daily prayers for our holy Father.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The pope who calls it an “honor” to be criticized by Americans, is name calling conservative Catholics. This is not new. He’s called them “rigid” and “pharisees” among many other nasty things.

I grow tired of this kind of thing. The Church seems to be increasingly opposed to faithful Catholics, especially those who attend the TLM. Pope Francis seems to despise many Catholics who are the ones who attend Mass daily or even on Sundays. He seems to curry the favor of climate alarmists in the media and the United Nations.



The AP: Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the U.S. Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the U.S. Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

Many conservatives have blasted Francis’ emphasis instead on social justice issues such as the environment and the poor, while also branding as heretical his opening to letting divorced and civilly remarried Catholics receive the sacraments.

Continued below.

Pope Francis Calls Conservative Catholics “Backward.” Nice guy, huh? – Creative Minority Report

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Matthew 5: 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

We pray for him and he curses us. And we pray for him some more.

A redundantly backwardist indietriest.

 

[Michie]

Matthew 5: 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

We pray for him and he curses us. And we pray for him some more.

A redundantly backwardist indietriest.

True. I just find it puzzling why if he is so concerned with division that he would say these things. Prayers continue.

 

[chevyontheriver]

True. I just find it puzzling why if he is so concerned with division that he would say these things. Prayers continue.

He says he is concerned that everybody everybody everybody be welcome in the Church. It is a puzzle. There are people who would have become Catholic except for pope Francis, people who have become Orthodox because of pope Francis, young men who would have entered seminary except for pope Francis. He has managed to exclude a lot of people while talking about everybody everybody everybody.

I remember the excitement I had when pope Francis was elected. It was on the level of the excitement I felt with the original John Paul, then JP2, then Benedict. It's a sadness now, one that endures insults. Here's Steve Ray's take on it:

How can a John Paul II Catholic Survive in a Pope Francis World​

 

[Ave Maria]

He has said a lot of things that I disagree with, and even more things that I find to be downright confusing. Regardless, I'm sure he has good will. We need to always remember him in our prayers, regardless of whether we agree with him or not. That said, I will NEVER forsake the Catholic Church because of something a pontiff says or does.

 

[Valletta]

He has said a lot of things that I disagree with, and even more things that I find to be downright confusing. Regardless, I'm sure he has good will. We need to always remember him in our prayers, regardless of whether we agree with him or not. That said, I will NEVER forsake the Catholic Church because of something a pontiff says or does.

Ditto

 

[fide]

Daily prayers for our holy Father.

My wife and I pray for the pope, but I cannot refer to him as either "holy" or "Father". You shall know them by their fruits.

 

[fide]

He has said a lot of things that I disagree with, and even more things that I find to be downright confusing. Regardless, I'm sure he has good will. We need to always remember him in our prayers, regardless of whether we agree with him or not. That said, I will NEVER forsake the Catholic Church because of something a pontiff says or does.

Are you "sure" he has good will? Is "good will" consistent with "downright confusing"?
"Agreement" with him is not the point - agreement with the Church is crucial.

I realize how deeply, deeply concerning this moment in salvation history is to a faithful Catholic! The Lord will never abandon His own - but it may well seem to be that way, in the trials of the Last Days. Thus Jesus, on the Cross needed to say, and His Church needed to hear:

Mt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lama sabach-thani?" that is, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

 

[fide]

True. I just find it puzzling why if he is so concerned with division that he would say these things. Prayers continue.

It needn't be puzzling - good in human hearts seeks to gather others into the good, and, sadly, evil in human hearts seeks to gather others into the evil. One would think no one wants division! But - It is that ultimate division - the crucial difference between good and evil - those who love good, and those who love evil - that division, the Lord seeks to make perfectly clear to us all:

Mt 10:34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Mt 10:35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
Mt 10:36 and a man's foes will be those of his own household.

 

[Wolseley]

I'm not a big fan of Frank, as you all know. He has caused confusion and division in the Church, with his unbelievably bone-headed "Pachamama" stunt and his indifferent attitude towards homosexual sin; and, he seems to be totally unable to raise a response to the schism in Germany. He has an open, outright rebellion against the teachings of the Faith, and he instead focuses his ire on those Catholics who want, with all their heart, to grow more faithful to the Church through the celebration of the Mass which they find most reverent.

He seems to want to deconstruct all the good work that John Paul II and Benedict XVI accomplished over forty years, as they tried to repair some of the damage that happened in the wake of Vatican II. It's like a bunch of spiritual refugees, starving for sustenance, come in seeking the Thanksgiving dinners they remember from old, and finally managing to get at least hot soup and a sandwich, when the new manager comes in and says, "Sorry, you're not allowed to have that," and snatches it away, replacing it with a paper plate containing a celery stick and a dry cracker. When the starving refugees protest, he castigates them as being "backwards" and "inflexible".

I don't know why he was elected; but I can only trust that God has some reason for allowing all this to transpire. Perhaps He's preparing the Church for the Parousia, cleansing it of the lackadaisical cultural Catholics with no fire; by the time the real trials hit, the only ones left in the Church will be those with enough spiritual strength (and stubbornness) to endure the tribulations. But that's only speculation on my part. I do pray for Frankie, but I won't be unhappy to see him go, in God's good time.

 

[WarriorAngel]

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the U.S. Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.


During the meeting, a Portuguese Jesuit told Francis that he had suffered during a recent sabbatical year in the United States because he came across many Catholics, including some U.S. bishops, who criticized Francis’ 10-year papacy as well as today’s Jesuits.


The 86-year-old Argentine acknowledged his point, saying there was “a very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” in the U.S. church, which he called “backward.” He warned that such an attitude leads to a climate of closure, which was erroneous.

“Doing this, you lose the true tradition and you turn to ideologies to have support. In other words, ideologies replace faith,” he said.

Pope says some 'backward' conservatives in US Catholic Church have replaced faith with ideology

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the U.S. Catholic Church. He says they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

apnews.com

Yes, the bells and whistles have changed.

In the 1st century during the Apostles:
They preached in synagogues
They stood the entire Mass.
Catechumens had to be removed from Mass during consecration.
For confession members wore sack clothes and confessed aloud to all before being absolved. [200's AD]

So yes things change. Fights broke out between East and West over which way to sign oneself.

Just stay mum and not hit the hornets nest over and over to make the argument you're better off TLM, then treat the Pope with respect... and let the fruits show to him.

 

[fide]

Matthew 5: 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

We pray for him and he curses us. And we pray for him some more.

A redundantly backwardist indietriest.

I give up. What does "indietriest" mean, please?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I give up. What does "indietriest" mean, please?

It's a pope Francis word I had never ever heard of before he began using it this year. It means a backward person. That's how he would see me. That's why I said I was a 'redundantly' 'backwardist' indietrist.

 

[Wolseley]

The 86-year-old Argentine acknowledged his point, saying there was “a very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” in the U.S. church, which he called “backward.” He warned that such an attitude leads to a climate of closure, which was erroneous.

"Climate of closure." What's that old saying? Oh, yes, I remember: "You can be so open-minded that your brains leak out."

 

[Gnarwhal]

True. I just find it puzzling why if he is so concerned with division that he would say these things. Prayers continue.

If I knew him to be talking about the folks who put politics and ideology on a higher altar than the faith, then I might agree with him. But as usual his [weaponized] ambiguity betrays that. I mean, I know Catholics personally who spend more time ranting about politics, politicians, and political ideas more than they pray, more than they go to confession, more than just about any practice of their faith. I certainly know protestant Christians like that. I think protestantism is more susceptible to that because while their expression of faith presents a spiritual concept, it doesn't have the foundation or framework of a proper religion like Catholicism so they end up with a dualistic "Christian spirituality with [insert political ideology here] as their actual religion." But I digress.

But the truth is, I think Pope Francis wants an undivided Church that's been purged of conservatives and traditionalists so he can have his progressive social entity that can plug into all of the other globalist organizations. It seems like he envisions a bigger version of the episcopal church just with more feast days.

He's an abusive, neglectful father. We ask for bread and he hands us a stone, we ask for fish and he hands us a snake. Benedict XVI said we live in the age of absconding fathers, and so we're already aware of what that means and how best to follow Christ in spite of it.

Let's face it, the people who are sincere about being Catholic are persona non grata under this Francis pontificate.

 

[fide]

It's a pope Francis word I had never ever heard of before he began using it this year. It means a backward person. That's how he would see me. That's why I said I was a 'redundantly' 'backwardist' indietrist.

Thank you. I knew he was an innovative wordsmith; I was afraid it was catching. I tried to look the word up, but my sources apparently have not caught up with him.

 

[mourningdove~]

But the truth is, I think Pope Francis wants an undivided Church that's been purged of conservatives and traditionalists so he can have his progressive social entity that can plug into all of the other globalist organizations.

Yes, this is what I think also, have thought for a long time now, and it is very concerning to me ...

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the U.S. Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology

What kind of delusion is this? It isn't conservative Catholics who have replaced faith with ideology. It's the woke, progressives who are inserting their ideology and trying to make the Church change. This doesn't even make sense.

 

[WarriorAngel]

All I know is... this is gonna remain circular.

The Pope is being beat up by 'some conservatives' who in turn beat him up for beating him up and he is retaliating.
Do Popes retaliate?
St Peter was a hot head.

This is not about brains...

It is def about obedience to the Pope.
I am confident if the Pope steps over the line of theology, and he cannot, he would regret the choice between the Lord and Himself Who has always stopped renegade Popes.

I am just saying [and yeah it's NOT popular] that obedience and let it go.
The Lord Himself could be perturbed over the beat down on His Chosen Son.

The more ya rail against Him, the harder it gets.
Obedience and humility are the absolute hardest virtues to accomplish and they are indeed the very fabric to avoid apostacy, schisms and heresy.