NASCAR In Hot Water

[Ana the Ist]

Where did the CEO say that? I don't see a comment to that effect in either the KIRO7 article, the Chicago Tribune article it cites, or the official statement from United.

"Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program – and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color."

Now....you may believe that it's a program that is pass/fail, or a graded system, or whatever. You may believe that United won't change their standards in any way to meet these "diversity requirements" aka racial quotas.

However, I would suggest that isn't the case. Whenever we see these commitments to diversity, we find out later that standards were lowered and people were squeezed over the bar of qualification. That's typical, because frankly, they don't believe in merit.

Remember merit? That thing the left no longer believes in?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/03/10/code_red_downplaying_academic_excellence_in_med_school_admissions_148958.html

We're seeing it in medical schools....now they're going to do it for your pilots. Imagine that...seriously. There are people dumb enough to say that merit doesn't matter and things like "lived experience" do.

Also in the military....

Redirect Notice

I mean, you can pretend that these things aren't happening. That's your choice. I don't want to roll the dice though.

What I do know is that if this causes a disaster....they won't tell you. They won't admit the changes they made to meet diversity requirements were to blame. That would just make them liable.

 

[iluvatar5150]

"Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program – and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color."

Now....you may believe that it's a program that is pass/fail, or a graded system, or whatever. You may believe that United won't change their standards in any way to meet these "diversity requirements" aka racial quotas.

However, I would suggest that isn't the case. Whenever we see these commitments to diversity, we find out later that standards were lowered and people were squeezed over the bar of qualification. That's typical, because frankly, they don't believe in merit.

Remember merit? That thing the left no longer believes in?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/03/10/code_red_downplaying_academic_excellence_in_med_school_admissions_148958.html

We're seeing it in medical schools....now they're going to do it for your pilots. Imagine that...seriously. There are people dumb enough to say that merit doesn't matter and things like "lived experience" do.

Also in the military....

Redirect Notice

I mean, you can pretend that these things aren't happening. That's your choice. I don't want to roll the dice though.

What I do know is that if this causes a disaster....they won't tell you. They won't admit the changes they made to meet diversity requirements were to blame. That would just make them liable.

k, so he didn’t say what you claim he said. Got it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, it's clear you were never a Nascar fan.

Didn't claim to be.

Merely a fan of silly political culture wars.

Not a fan of this stuff at all...but the left doesn't understand actual political issues like economics, foreign policy, or even how the federal government works (I had to explain to another poster that giving Biden credit for responding swiftly to the National Archives was stupid because the National Archives works for Biden).

The result is that we have to discuss "culture wars" because the left doesn't have any other reason to be interested in politics. If they didn't get a warm fuzzy from tying their morals to their politics...they would be disinterested.

Have a nice day.

Before you go, I would ask you to consider that if the only way you could ever understand political issues was to reduce them to "its the white man's fault"...then perhaps you should just stay out of politics. Literally everything the left does is a mistake these days.

Here's NYC saying they won't cooperate with feds on deporting illegals in 2014.

Mayor Bill de Blasio Signs into Law Bills to Reduce NYC's Cooperation with U.S. ICE Deportations

www.nyc.gov

Here's NYC in 2018 saying "open the borders" and "send the caravans here" explaining that they don't believe in a border crisis and Republicans are racists and xenophobes and blah blah blah....

NYC today...

Redirect Notice

Any chance that these people are just not that bright? Maybe they never had any clue what they were talking about? Maybe these issues were a little more complex than "white man bad, white man racist, we need less white men".

I would suggest that the reason why they call it a culture war isn't because it's a culture war....but because a large percentage of the population is...unable...to grapple with a real grown up discussion of problems and solutions.

 

[Ana the Ist]

k, so he didn’t say what you claim he said. Got it.

I was clearly paraphrasing but if it helps you feel better by playing semantics, be my guest.

You're still in the camp that likes racial discrimination.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I was clearly paraphrasing but if it helps you feel better by playing semantics, be my guest.

You claimed that he said they were “committed to diversity amongst pilots over everything else.” That’s not paraphrasing; that’s editorializing. The difference between what he actually said (which was about recruiting into their flight school) and what you claimed he said (which had serious implications for flight safety) is not merely a semantic difference. It’s a material difference.

You're still in the camp that likes racial discrimination.

I’m in the camp that likes accuracy.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You claimed that he said they were “committed to diversity amongst pilots over everything else.” That’s not paraphrasing; that’s editorializing.

Nope.

Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program – and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color."

They will be guaranteed a job.

They didn't say "we prioritize merit" They spent millions building an academy. They're dumping millions in scholarships and loans. The plan is to graduate 2500 women and non-whites.

It's not 5000 of the best pilots we can train. That's not the priority.

The priority is diversity.

The difference between what he actually said (which was about recruiting into their flight school) and what you claimed he said (which had serious implications for flight safety) is not merely a semantic difference. It’s a material difference.

That's because you're hoping that flight school doesn't hand out diplomas for a D.

Luckily, that won't be an issue since they have their own flight school that's definitely going to be held accountable.

Perhaps they should change the motto to United- don't sleep through that safety demonstration.

I’m in the camp that likes accuracy.

Then I wouldn't fly United if I were you. I don't know how accurate those scores need to be to get a license.

 

[Servus]

There are a lot of white people who really want to see white people become the minority.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

There are a lot of white people who really want to see white people become the minority.

Why would white people becoming a minority be a problem? Do minorities historically have an issue with being treated poorly in this country?

 

[Lost4words]

Well, its not just white men...

My mate tried to get into nascar but they discriminate against Corgis! He is a very talented driver too!

 

[Servus]

Why would white people becoming a minority be a problem? Do minorities historically have an issue with being treated poorly in this country?

Now it's time for us white people to pay our comeuppance.

 

[Brihaha]

Didn't claim to be.



Not a fan of this stuff at all...but the left doesn't understand actual political issues like economics, foreign policy, or even how the federal government works (I had to explain to another poster that giving Biden credit for responding swiftly to the National Archives was stupid because the National Archives works for Biden).

The result is that we have to discuss "culture wars" because the left doesn't have any other reason to be interested in politics. If they didn't get a warm fuzzy from tying their morals to their politics...they would be disinterested.


Before you go, I would ask you to consider that if the only way you could ever understand political issues was to reduce them to "its the white man's fault"...then perhaps you should just stay out of politics. Literally everything the left does is a mistake these days.

Here's NYC saying they won't cooperate with feds on deporting illegals in 2014.

Mayor Bill de Blasio Signs into Law Bills to Reduce NYC's Cooperation with U.S. ICE Deportations

www.nyc.gov

Here's NYC in 2018 saying "open the borders" and "send the caravans here" explaining that they don't believe in a border crisis and Republicans are racists and xenophobes and blah blah blah....

NYC today...

Redirect Notice

Any chance that these people are just not that bright? Maybe they never had any clue what they were talking about? Maybe these issues were a little more complex than "white man bad, white man racist, we need less white men".

I would suggest that the reason why they call it a culture war isn't because it's a culture war....but because a large percentage of the population is...unable...to grapple with a real grown up discussion of problems and solutions.

I am trying to stay out of politics friend. It has become far too tribal. This thread is in Current Events, not politics. For example, many tribal folks inject their own politics into otherwise uninteresting topics to them like women's sports or Nascar racing or whatever Target is selling. I joined this "grown up discussion" because I have been watching Nascar since before this century began. I was under the impression we might talk about Nascar and racing. Yet some get a warm fuzzy feeling tying their politics to their current events to make them interested. I'll leave you to discuss the solutions for all those problems created by literally every mistake the left does these days. I definitely don't have an interest in that discussion. Peace