I am your healer

[Presbyterian Continuist]

There are hindrances to prayer such as "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.' I Pet 3:7

Some point out Holy Scriptures that may show the root of some conditions such as "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones." Pro 17:2 Books have been written on this area.

Pro 4 includes "My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.
21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.
22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh."

God is our healer.

Blaming sick people for not being able to get healed, is not sound Christian doctrine. God is sovereign, and He has the sole decision concerning whether He heals or leaves the person sick

 

[Strong in Him]

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[NBB]

Blaming sick people for not being able to get healed, is not sound Christian doctrine. God is sovereign, and He has the sole decision concerning whether He heals or leaves the person sick

i'm just saying God wants to bless us more, and maybe the same that before people didn't believe correctly in being filled with the HS, we are doing something wrong somehow, i include myself in this, because when i read the bible, the promises of healing are there, why we would take other promises and not this one.

Personally i don't believe in the, 'if its Gods will" something fishy about it, because the bible is clear is someone sick call the elders, and the person "will heal". So it doesn't say there "maybe"

 

[Strong in Him]

because when i read the bible, the promises of healing are there, why we would take other promises and not this one.

And yet, some Christians do claim God's "promise" of physical healing and don't receive it.
As God keeps his promises, could it be that they are mistaken about what they claim that he wants for them?

Personally i don't believe in the, 'if its Gods will" something fishy about it,

James 4:15.

because the bible is clear is someone sick call the elders, and the person "will heal". So it doesn't say there "maybe"

In that case, everyone who called the elders to pray for their physical healing, would be healed - every time.

So either God doesn't keep his promises, or there is something wrong with taking a verse, written to someone else, out of context and applying it to eveyyone today.

 

[sandman]

We can't do what Jesus did. He was God and man and had the Holy Spirit without measure. He didn't need faith to do the miracles. He is God, who created the universe and everything in the world. He is well able to heal all who come to Him in a way that would be impossible for us, because we are just human. So to imply that we can do exactly what Jesus was able to do, is to commit heresy in saying that Jesus was just an ordinary man dependent on the Holy Spirit and became God only after His resurrection. Or the heresy that we are gods as well has human and therefore can create in the same way that God can. The latter is the blasphemy that the prominent word of faith preachers teach about us being little gods.

So, God is not obliged to heal anyone, in the same way that He is not obliged to save anyone. We have no right to expect anything of God based on our own merits. If we are saved, it is by God's grace alone, and if anyone gets healed, it is also by God's grace alone, and not because we could generate enough faith for it to happen.

What is nasty, is people being led to believe that there is something wrong with them if they get sick and are not healed. This erroneous teaching has caused more harm, depression, and hardship than any other false teaching. It is totally unkind and the height of nastiness to pray for a sick person and nothing happens, to blame the sick person of having sin in their life, or not having enough faith to be healed. In my opinion, people who teach that stuff are not saved and are on the read to hell.

I have yet to find a scripture that states the Jesus was a god/man here on earth before he was glorified.

There are a few that people have twisted in that direction but all disproved when you take a closer look. On top of the fact that it would contradict Jesus’s own words when He stated He was a man and could do nothing of Himself.

God is the prime mover in healing …not us. Just as He is the prime mover in all things ACCORDING TO HIS WORD. ….which involves believing and revelation (the manifestations of word of knowledge, word of wisdom, and gifts of healing)



I would go into this more but I know you set in what you believe …. So I won’t.

 

[NBB]

In that case, everyone who called the elders to pray for their physical healing, would be healed - every time.

So either God doesn't keep his promises, or there is something wrong with taking a verse, written to someone else, out of context and applying it to eveyyone today.

The promises of God don't work like that, like if it were a button you press, there is more involved sometimes.
Still a promise.

 

[Strong in Him]

The promises of God don't work like that, like if it were a button you press, there is more involved sometimes.
Still a promise.

You may need to wait and will have physical healing one day; yes. Hebrews 11 mentions several people who were promised things by God but who died before they can receive them.
But the whole thing about prayer for healing is that people seem to teach, and lead others to expect, that the healing will be instant.
I'm not saying this applies to you, but the debates I've had with Pentecostal and/or Word of faith people has been "God has promised physical healing, if you don't receive it it's because of sin/a lack of faith/not asking the elders to pray etc.

I've always said that God has the right to say "not yet", or even, in some matters, "no".

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

i'm just saying God wants to bless us more, and maybe the same that before people didn't believe correctly in being filled with the HS, we are doing something wrong somehow, i include myself in this, because when i read the bible, the promises of healing are there, why we would take other promises and not this one.

Personally i don't believe in the, 'if its Gods will" something fishy about it, because the bible is clear is someone sick call the elders, and the person "will heal". So it doesn't say there "maybe"

According to actual observable evidence it seems that it is God's will for most sick believers to remain sick, or regain health naturally or through medicine.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I have yet to find a scripture that states the Jesus was a god/man here on earth before he was glorified.

There are a few that people have twisted in that direction but all disproved when you take a closer look. On top of the fact that it would contradict Jesus’s own words when He stated He was a man and could do nothing of Himself.

God is the prime mover in healing …not us. Just as He is the prime mover in all things ACCORDING TO HIS WORD. ….which involves believing and revelation (the manifestations of word of knowledge, word of wisdom, and gifts of healing)



I would go into this more but I know you set in what you believe …. So I won’t.

Here are the Scripture verses:

John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 10:30-33
30 I and the Father are one.”

31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

Also, on some occasions Jesus allowed Himself to be worshipped. Every time an angel appeared and the person went to worship him, the angel stopped him and said, "Don't worship me. I am just a fellow servant as you are." If Jesus was just a man, He would not have allowed anyone to worship Him, but being God and man, He had no problem when worshiped as God.

What you are supporting is the heresy of:
Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[Guojing]

I didn't meant to be word of faith like, but the promises of healing are there, the same with gifts maybe we are doing something wrong we don't see more of both, the passage i quoted is clear, it says "if someone is sick, bring the elders, and pray for the person, and the person will heal" is not talking about spiritual healing there i don't think.

Out of curiosity, what if you know someone who takes the promise God gave Abraham in Genesis 15:5

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be

and he decides to claim this for himself, that he will have numerous descendants.

Do you think God will grant him that, just because the promise of numerous descendants are there in Scripture, and God did promise that to Abraham?

 

[Strong in Him]

I have yet to find a scripture that states the Jesus was a god/man here on earth before he was glorified.

There are a few that people have twisted in that direction but all disproved when you take a closer look.

John 1:1-3.
John 1:14
John 1:18.
John 8:58.
John 10:33.
John 17:5.
The Jews knew that Jesus was claiming to be God. He forgave sins, as only God could; he used God's name, he said that he was one with his Father. They eventually had him killed for blasphemy.

The Nicene creed was produced to counter the argument that Jesus was not God - which was a heresy being taught at the time.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I do not think its any universal promise of God. Many good Christians are sick and die of various injuries or sickness and their faith is strong.

If some form of a perfect faith or a perfect life is required for such miracles, its not too practical anyway.

Its more probable, IMO, that those were the first church gifts, similar to tongues and prophecies.

How sad this is...

Healing is a sign of the Kingdom Reign of Jesus that confirms the Gospel.

Have we really wandered that far away from such fundamental truths ?

It seems we are very clever at inventing theologies that confirm the status quo as acceptable.

Just give the Bible a good dose of human wisdom so our religion is practical and well grounded...

My heart burns at such a thought - so much to grasp when we walk with Him - so much to give - He is Jehova Rapha and loves to express who He is through healing signs, but we know better...

A sad day.

 

[Guojing]

How sad this is...

Healing is a sign of the Kingdom Reign of Jesus that confirms the Gospel.

Have we really wandered that far away from such fundamental truths ?

It seems we are very clever at inventing theologies that confirm the status quo as acceptable.

Just give the Bible a good dose of human wisdom so our religion is practical and well grounded...

My heart burns at such a thought - so much to grasp when we walk with Him - so much to give - He is Jehova Rapha and loves to express who He is through healing signs, but we know better...

A sad day.

You can think of it in another way.

It is sadder if we do not rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15 ), as our apostle Paul instructs us to.

 

[trophy33]

How sad this is...

Healing is a sign of the Kingdom Reign of Jesus that confirms the Gospel.

Have we really wandered that far away from such fundamental truths ?

It seems we are very clever at inventing theologies that confirm the status quo as acceptable.

Just give the Bible a good dose of human wisdom so our religion is practical and well grounded...

My heart burns at such a thought - so much to grasp when we walk with Him - so much to give - He is Jehova Rapha and loves to express who He is through healing signs, but we know better...

A sad day.

I do not think its sad to say that miracles are rare and for all practical reasons its more effective to simply care about our health to prevent being sick.

I would say its wise, not sad.

 

[Guojing]

I do not think its sad to say that miracles are rare and for all practical reasons its more effective to simply care about our health to prevent being sick.

I would say its wise, not sad.

I think too many Christians were wrongly taught that Jesus did all his healings in his first coming, only because of compassion.

I am sure he was, but the main reason for those healings are for signs, and those signs are to alert the nation of Israel that their Messiah has finally arrived (Luke 7:18-23, John 20:30-31, Matthew 10:5-8).

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Out of curiosity, what if you know someone who takes the promise God gave Abraham in Genesis 15:5

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be

and he decides to claim this for himself, that he will have numerous descendants.

Do you think God will grant him that, just because the promise of numerous descendants are there in Scripture, and God did promise that to Abraham?

The promise to Abraham is there for our education. It was written for us, not to us. We can't claim for ourselves a promise given to a particular individual in the Biblical history.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You can think of it in another way.

It is sadder if we do not rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15 ), as our apostle Paul instructs us to.

Yes that as well...

 

[Carl Emerson]

I do not think its sad to say that miracles are rare and for all practical reasons its more effective to simply care about our health to prevent being sick.

I would say its wise, not sad.

Friend, many of the poor have little more than garbage to eat and TB and such is rife...

For this reason when His compassion reaches out to them, their lives are impacted body, soul and spirit and folks are healed.

Yes... prayer and ministry combines with practical initiatives.

After conversion, wisdom kicks in as they read the Word and learn they are loved, and experience redemptive lift sustaining their own good health.

 

[trophy33]

Friend, many of the poor have little more than garbage to eat and TB and such is rife...

For this reason when His compassion reaches out to them, their lives are impacted body, soul and spirit and folks are healed.

Yes... prayer and ministry combines with practical initiatives.

After conversion, wisdom kicks in as they read the Word and learn they are loved, and experience redemptive lift sustaining their own good health.

If this is what you experience where you live, OK then.

However, I still see nothing sad about saying that miracles are rare and that its more practical to take care of our health naturally.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If this is what you experience where you live, OK then.

However, I still see nothing sad about saying that miracles are rare and that its more practical to take care of our health naturally.

If we can afford to or even have access to good fresh food.

Hey, we may be blessed with the ability to sustain health in this way but the poor do not.

His compassion touches them if we are willing to bring it and often this includes healing.