Florida ‘effectively’ bans Advanced Placement Psychology course due to curriculum's discussion of gender and sexual orientation

[NxNW]

No, I fully know and recognize a manufactured issue when I see one.

What's the manufactured issue?

 

[rjs330]

Funny thing that we still haven't any evidence for gender beyond the binary and yet they want to convince everyone it is beyond the binary. Gender is male or female and if the AP psych wants to teach that I'm all for it. But to want to teach bogus unscientific mumbo jumbo about transgenders or some sort of gender is on a spectrum is a bit ridiculous.

Now if they want to be clear that gender ideology came from a pedophilic abuser who had VERY serious daddy issues and who's theory was proven to be false then teach about that part of gender theory.

Gender and sex are the same thing. There isn't any evidence to the contrary.

 

[A2SG]

Funny thing that we still haven't any evidence for gender beyond the binary and yet they want to convince everyone it is beyond the binary. Gender is male or female and if the AP psych wants to teach that I'm all for it. But to want to teach bogus unscientific mumbo jumbo about transgenders or some sort of gender is on a spectrum is a bit ridiculous.

Now if they want to be clear that gender ideology came from a pedophilic abuser who had VERY serious daddy issues and who's theory was proven to be false then teach about that part of gender theory.

Gender and sex are the same thing. There isn't any evidence to the contrary.

What's your evidence that gender is entirely binary?

Gender, as opposed to sex, is a function of a person's identity. It's how they view themselves within the spectrum of male to female. Some who identify as male may be more "masculine" than others, others less so. Maybe they don't care for sports, or prefer musical theatre, whatever. Thing is, even when someone identifies as "male", that doesn't always mean the same thing to every man.

Same for women. Some women don't like "girly-girl" stuff, and may even prefer sports to musical theatre themselves.

So, how is that binary? At best, it's a spectrum, a range someone considers himself or herself within.

And...here's the thing: some people don't find themselves within either spectrum. Their identity, how they feel about the difference between men and women and where they fall, doesn't fit. What are they to call themselves?

If you don't feel you're a man, or a woman, what are you?

This is why some people define themselves as non-binary. They feel they fit somewhere in the middle between male and female.

And...since one's personal identity is entirely subjective, there is no evidence to prove their personal experience is invalid or wrong.

So....if you wish to claim there's no evidence that gender, a function of personal identity, isn't binary, I have to ask: what's your evidence that it is?

-- A2SG, and what kind of evidence would you use to refute personal, subjective experience anyway.....

 

[Pommer]

Gender and sex are the same thing. There isn't any evidence to the contrary.

So sez you, and that’s great, for you.
For the people whose sex doesn’t match their “gender” it’s not so great.

You offer them nothing except “you got girl parts then you’re a girl, you got boy parts then you’re a boy!”
No wonder they commit unaliving themselves.

 

[Truth7t7]

So sez you, and that’s great, for you.
For the people whose sex doesn’t match their “gender” it’s not so great.

You offer them nothing except “you got girl parts then you’re a girl, you got boy parts then you’re a boy!”
No wonder they commit unaliving themselves.

Reality us, God made male and female, the part that goes on in the brain has no relationship to the facts relating to their sex

I'm a bird and a cat, is this reality "No" its pretend make believe, and any reasonable person would agree IMHO

 

[A2SG]

Reality us, God made male and female, the part that goes on in the brain has no relationship to the facts relating to their sex

I'm a bird and a cat, is this reality "No" its pretend make believe, and any reasonable person would agree IMHO

Reasonable people do disagree.

Sorry.

-- A2SG, don't mistake your own, personal experience for everyone else's......

 

[Truth7t7]

-- A2SG, don't mistake your own, personal experience for everyone else's......

A personal experience has absolutely nothing to do with a persons gender being male or female

Hey everybody I'm a cat, I'm going to by a cat costume and claim I'm a cat, at school, at work, grocery shopping, "I'm A Cat"?

That's a person in a confused fairy tale, in need of psychiatric care, plain and simple

 

[A2SG]

A personal experience has absolutely nothing to do with a persons gender being male or female

Since gender, as opposed to sex, is a function of one's identity....how could it not?

What do you think gender is based on, if not identity and personal experience?

Hey everybody I'm a cat, I'm going to by a cat costume and claim I'm a cat?

That's a person in a confused fairy tale in need of psychiatric care, plain and simple

If that person isn't harming anyone, or himself, who cares?

-- A2SG, given the life my cats live....I can't help but be envious......

 

[Truth7t7]

Since gender, as opposed to sex, is a function of one's identity....how could it not?

What do you think gender is based on, if not identity and personal experience?

We will remove the word "Gender" and replace it with "Sex" is that better, a person's life experiences have nothing to do with their sex

Lia Thomas the swimmer is a "Male" stealing medals, trophies, and many females future opportunities under the lie that Lia Thomas is "Female"

Let's apply that to hiring police, fire fighters, etc

The highest qualifying candidates get hired, 50% of the female candidates for jobs are biological males, that put a blonde wig on and claim their female, these biological males get 100% of the jobs claiming they were female due to their athletic ability, is that fair and equal opportunity in employment for biological females?

If that person isn't harming anyone, or himself, who cares?

-- A2SG, given the life my cats live....I can't help but be envious......

Big Smiles!

 

[A2SG]

We will remove the word "Gender" and replace it with "Sex" is that better, a person's sex has nothing to do with their experiences

Why do that? I was talking about gender, not sex.

Remember when I said: "gender, as opposed to sex"? That's what that meant.

Don't change the subject.

Lia Thomas the swimmer is a "Male" stealing medals, trophies, and many females future opportunities under the lie that Lia Thomas is "Female"

The NCAA decided she qualified as female, according to their guidelines. If you disagree, take it up with them.

-- A2SG, not any of my business, frankly.........

 

[Pommer]

Reality us, God made male and female, the part that goes on in the brain has no relationship to the facts relating to their sex

I'm a bird and a cat, is this reality "No" its pretend make believe, and any reasonable person would agree IMHO

Okay, my “reality” is I don’t give two hoots about what you believe or don’t believe; only you have to be okay with that and that’s the way it is for all of us.

But other people have other realities that might include themselves not being comfortable in the body that they possess and would maybe like to change that if they could, please?

Why is it so important to you that they are not to be allowed to do that!?

 

[Truth7t7]

Okay, my “reality” is I don’t I’ve two hoots about what you believe or don’t believe; only you have to be okay with that and that’s the way it is for all of us.

I'm not okay with that, a biolgical male is a male and a biological female is a female

It appears you're intolerant of my belief "Why"?

But other people have other realities that might include themselves not being comfortable in the body that they possess and would maybe like to change that if they could, please?

If they are adults with their own guardianship, they can do as the please to their bodies, children are a different story

Why is it so important to you that they are not to be allowed to do that!?

I never stated people shouldnt be allowed to change their bodies, that's your fictional story

 

[atpollard]

But then the question arises, “why pass a law that doesn’t effectively do anything!?”

The Law does what it was created to do … it prevents teaching children (k-12) about gender issues in school. There are AP Psychology curriculum already existing that both teach and curriculum that do not teach gender issues. The College Board chose to DEMAND the AP Psychology curriculum teach gender issues in HS in spite of the fact that it was illegal and alternatives existed and were in use.

The Law didn’t do “nothing”, the ban on AP Psychology by the College Board achieved nothing (since Florida offers Dual Enrollment allowing HS students to take actual College Courses in place of AP courses if the AP course is not offered at the school.)

 

[KCfromNC]

But then the question arises, “why pass a law that doesn’t effectively do anything!?”

I believe it is called virtue signaling.

 

[Pommer]

The Law does what it was created to do … it prevents teaching children (k-12) about gender issues in school. There are AP Psychology curriculum already existing that both teach and curriculum that do not teach gender issues. The College Board chose to DEMAND the AP Psychology curriculum teach gender issues in HS in spite of the fact that it was illegal and alternatives existed and were in use.

The Law didn’t do “nothing”, the ban on AP Psychology by the College Board achieved nothing (since Florida offers Dual Enrollment allowing HS students to take actual College Courses in place of AP courses if the AP course is not offered at the school.)

Oh the law stifles “free-speech” that make it wise? Okay.
Pfft.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Oh the law stifles “free-speech” that make it wise? Okay.
Pfft.

No the law helps protect the children from the groomers/pedophiles.

 

[Pommer]

No the law helps protect the children from the groomers/pedophiles.

No it doesn’t.
That’s reasoning after-the-fact, to boot, and not worthy of you.

 

[atpollard]

Oh the law stifles “free-speech” that make it wise? Okay.
Pfft.

Apparently you are ignorant of the "free speech" given before congress on the harm done by forcing "hormone therapy" on children that need traditional psychiatric therapy because they do NOT need to "Transition" as ADULTS compelled them to do.

I happen to agree that waiting until children are adults before deciding to change genders (which is biologically impossible anyway ... DNA doesn't lie) is a good thing. It is a bad decision (like smoking) that ADULTS should make for themselves rather than a decision that Adults should inflict on developing children.

"We admit that in many places and in ordinary times the defendants in saying all that was said in the circular would have been within their constitutional rights. But the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done. The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. It does not even protect a man from an injunction against uttering words that may have all the effect of force. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree." - SCHENCK v. UNITED STATES​

 

[Always in His Presence]

What's the manufactured issue?

The topic of the thread - you should begin with post #1 and then read contextually and you would not have to ask. But I am always happy to assist as needed. My Pleasure.

 

[Pommer]

Apparently you are ignorant of the "free speech" given before congress on the harm done by forcing "hormone therapy" on children that need traditional psychiatric therapy because they do NOT need to "Transition" as ADULTS compelled them to do.

I happen to agree that waiting until children are adults before deciding to change genders (which is biologically impossible anyway ... DNA doesn't lie) is a good thing. It is a bad decision (like smoking) that ADULTS should make for themselves rather than a decision that Adults should inflict on developing children.

"We admit that in many places and in ordinary times the defendants in saying all that was said in the circular would have been within their constitutional rights. But the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done. The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. It does not even protect a man from an injunction against uttering words that may have all the effect of force. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree." - SCHENCK v. UNITED STATES​

I thought that the government dictating what medical procedures patients decide to obtain, (we’re not allowed to make horrible mistakes?) was part of the “nanny-state” that Conservatives (used to) decry?

What changed?