From what law did Paul set us free?

[HIM]

Thank You. I downloaded it and took a look at it. It's a really nice eBible but has one major drawback for me. I can't find any way to adjust the font size and my eyesight is so bad the font size makes it almost impossible to read.

What did you download it on Gary?

 

[Gary K]

What did you download it on Gary?

My laptop.

 

[HIM]

My laptop.

Okay Close the program and go into system and increase font size. Start at 100% and then open the word again and see if that is enough. If not increase. Each time you increase the font size you will have to close the program and reopen for it to apply. That is how it is on my HP anyway. Happy Sabbath BTW.

 

[Gary K]

Okay Close the program and go into system and increase font size. Start at 100% and then open the word again and see if that is enough. If not increase. Each time you increase the font size you will have to close the program and reopen for it to apply. That is how it is on my HP anyway. Happy Sabbath BTW.

I've done that but in other software on the system the fonts get huge and the display on the screen gets too large. Especially my browser, as I run Firefox and other open source software. I like open source much better than propietary software as I ran Linux for years but it turns out I can't install it on this laptop.

 

[HIM]

My laptop.

And why you are in systems if you turn on your night light which masks the blue light the screen will be easier on your eyes.

 

[Gary K]

And why you are in systems if you turn on your night light which masks the blue light the screen will be easier on your eyes.

I've tried that. It uses up the battery too fast and does no good that I can see during the day time.

 

[HIM]

I've done that but in other software on the system the fonts get huge and the display on the screen gets too large. Especially my browser, as I run Firefox and other open source software. I like open source much better than propietary software as I ran Linux for years but it turns out I can't install it on this laptop.

I increased mine to 140 and it did not make that much of a difference on my browser where it made it impractical. For all the trouble it is you could play with it just to reaffirm it won't work. Just saying.

 

[HIM]

I've tried that. It uses up the battery too fast and does no good that I can see during the day time.

Gotcha...Screen kills my eyes and it helps me. JUst thought I would mention it.

 

[Gary K]

I've tried that. It uses up the battery too fast and does no good that I can see during the day time.

You're pretty technically astute. I spent years studying to get a MCSE and a MSDA certification. I had a lab set up in the basement where we lived and studied. . During that time I started intensely for years but then the dot com bubble burst and there were just no jobs to be found studying Linux and fell in love with it. I installed Debian and it took me a few tries to get it installed but it juist seemeed to me that it was what computing was meant to be and I ran it until a year or so ago some very skilled hackers got mad at me for things I said on line and came after me. They bricked my laptop and this was the first one I was able to buy since then. As I no longer had an Amazon account I couldn't purchase a laptop on line so had to buy this one locally and it just isn't compatible with Linux.

 

[Gary K]

I increased mine to 140 and it did not make that much of a difference on my browser where it made it impractical. For all the trouble it is you could play with it just to reaffirm it won't work. Just saying.

I spent probably a good half hour playing with it and no ceegar.

 

[HIM]

I spent probably a good half hour playing with it and no ceegar.

All we can do is try

You're pretty technically astute.

Lol if you mean me. I can get around that is about it.

I spent years studying to get a MCSE and a MSDA certification. I had a lab set up in the basement where we lived and studied. . During that time I started intensely for years but then the dot com bubble burst and there were just no jobs to be found studying Linux and fell in love with it.

I am surprised you couldn't do anything with the MSDA. That is a well rounded certification.

I installed Debian and it took me a few tries to get it installed but it juist seemeed to me that it was what computing was meant to be and I ran it until a year or so ago some very skilled hackers got mad at me for things I said on line and came after me. They bricked my laptop and this was the first one I was able to buy since then.

That happened to me a few times. Expensive when it does. Either I lose everything or I buy another. Either way it is costly

As I no longer had an Amazon account I couldn't purchase a laptop on line so had to buy this one locally and it just isn't compatible with Linux.

I want a MAC.

 

[Gary K]

All we can do is try


Lol if you mean me. I can get around that is about it.

I am surprised you couldn't do anything with the MSDA. That is a well rounded certification.



That happened to me a few times. Expensive when it does. Either I lose everything or I buy another. Either way it is costly

I want a MAC.

I understand. They are way out of my league, price wise. Well, I don't mean to be mean but this isn't much of a sabbath conversation according to my conscience so I'll continue it later with you. Yes, I know I started it, but my conscience is now bothering me about it.

 

[Dahveed]

The scriptures teach us God is trustworthy.

God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Cor 1:9

And indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:3

They will pass under my scepter, [Heb 1:8] and I will bring them into the bond of the covenant. Ezek 20:37
Keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace—Eph 4:3-7

 

[Leaf473]

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 58:1-2 - New American Standard Bible

Observances of Fasts - “Cry loudly, do not hold back; Raise your voice like a trumpet, And declare to My people their wrongdoing, And to the house of Jacob their sins. Yet they seek Me day by day and delight to know My ways, As a nation that has done righteousness And has not forsaken the...

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Amen!

 

[Leaf473]

Brother @guevaraj,
May the Lord bless you and keep you

 

[Dahveed]

Using only the scriptures, how do you decide if something is God's word, such that he protects it?

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. Rom 9:6-9

Now God has spoken to us in His Son, Heb 1:1-4

 

[guevaraj]

Basically what you're telling us is that you plan on becoming like Christ, who is your role model, who knew no sin, by flawlessly keeping the 10C. And so in your mindset, Christ is not the Savior of mankind, and you have no idea if you're saved.

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 28, 2023 at 12:38 pm EDT! I "believe" Jesus will save me when I put my "faith" in doing what He asks instead of replacing what He asks with human ideas like He tells us Judaism did and continues to do. Paul tells us what Jesus asks is for the sons of Sarah who, unlike Judaism, will not replace what God asks in the resulting sons of Hagar because Judaism is not doing what God asked. They replaced what God asks with their own human ideas, resulting in the sons of Hagar in Judaism, who are the offspring of not doing fully what God asks. History repeats itself because we are doing exactly what the Jews did by replacing what God asks with what humans think is more appropriate, like replacing the Sabbath with Sunday! In Paul's message, "law" alone comes from humans, made clear in Hagar representing Judaism, and the Commandments come from God for those who are the descendants of Sarah obeying "all" the Eleven Commandments of Jesus. The translators always attributing "law" alone to God is a misrepresentation of Paul's message and Jesus' words in the following passage. The word "law" is not used in the following passage because most "law" comes from humans and not from God, who uses a different word for what comes from Him, so as not to confuse his "order" through the prophets with the "law" of Judaism that mainly comes from humans.

Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law(nomos)/Commandments(entolé) in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law(nomos)/Commandment(entolé) from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:9-13 NLT fixed)​

If you agreed that in Christ we have eternal life, you would understand that it was fulfilled in Christ not done away with as you claim. He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey/believe Him. Heb 5:9

What does it mean to "obey/believe" Jesus? Does it mean what Jesus tells us it means or what humans want it to mean? The following passage says what Jesus says it means: not humans claiming to believe Jesus by their own measure of faith. Jesus says it is someone who actually obeys "all" of Jesus' Eleven Commandments and certainly not someone who thinks the Eleven Commandments are not to be obeyed any longer.

“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ (making up their own measure of faith) will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter (those who follow Jesus' measure of faith). On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. (here is the evidence of our faith)’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who practice lawlessness (disobedience to Jesus' Eleven Commandments).’ (Matthew 7:21-23 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

How Jesus defines those "who practice lawlessness" above is said plainly in the following passage: those who disobey Jesus' Eleven Commandments.

“If you love me, obey my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments). And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Those who accept my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments) and obey them (unlike Judaism sabotage of the Ten Commandments) are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.” (John 14:15-21 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

Human beings have said Jesus replaced His Ten Commandments with an Eleventh Commandment when Jesus asks us to obey "all" His Eleven Commandments in the following passage. The following passage tells us that Jesus has given us an Eleventh Commandment with the phrase "one thing" that you have not done, after answering the question with: you know "the commandments"! Jesus' answer makes the "one thing" you haven't done an additional commandment. Consistent with us knowing the additional commandment in the new covenant of following Jesus' example, as Paul says, Jesus is our model "Spirit" to follow. We are not to follow Judaism's human "law" that sabotaged the Ten Commandments to not remove sin in the resulting sons of Hagar instead of God's will that we be sons of Sarah obeying His Ten Commandments.

Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. But to answer your question, you know the commandments (entolé): ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’” The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.” When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:18-22 NLT)​

The new Eleventh Commandment above is found in the following passage, where to do "just as I have" is to "follow" His example by keeping a total of Eleven Commandments when Jesus adds one more to the previous Ten Commandments, saying above: "there is still one thing you haven't done".

As soon as Judas left the room, Jesus said, “The time has come for the Son of Man to enter into his glory, and God will be glorified because of him. And since God receives glory because of the Son, he will give his own glory to the Son, and he will do so at once. Dear children, I will be with you only a little longer. And as I told the Jewish leaders, you will search for me, but you can’t come where I am going. So now I am giving you a new commandment (entolé): Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” (John 13:31-35 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Dahveed]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 28, 2023 at 12:38 pm EDT! I "believe" Jesus will save me when I put my "faith" in doing what He asks instead of replacing what He asks with human ideas like He tells us Judaism did and continues to do. Paul tells us what Jesus asks is for the sons of Sarah who, unlike Judaism, ...replaced what God asks with their own human ideas, resulting in the sons of Hagar...

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6-7

What does it mean to "obey/believe" Jesus?

What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; John 6:62-63

“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ (making up their own measure of faith) will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father ... How Jesus defines those "who practice lawlessness" above is said plainly in the following passage:​

The way of the wicked is darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble. Prov 4:19

“If you love me, obey my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments). And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.​

And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. John 16:8-12

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come; Heb 9:11
Who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. Heb 7:16
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him; Heb 7:25

 

[Leaf473]

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6-7

What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; John 6:62-63

The way of the wicked is darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble. Prov 4:19

And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;

However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. John 16:8-12

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come; Heb 9:11
Who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. Heb 7:16
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him; Heb 7:25

Amen, blessed be the name of the Lord!

 

[guevaraj]

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come; Heb 9:11
Who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. Heb 7:16
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him; Heb 7:25

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, August 4, 2023, at 12:33 pm EDT! Why do we need a priest with the power of an endless life to save those who come to God through Him? We are not automatically forgiven by the death of Jesus; we are forgiven when we turn daily to Jesus in prayer as our High Priest to "intercede" for us to forgive our past sins in disobedience to the Eleven Commandments. This repetitive cycle continues until we no longer sin by disobeying the Eleven Commandments. This cycle after Jesus is faster and eternal compared to animal sacrifices, which clearly shows the repetition of turning to a priest for forgiveness of our past sins by disobeying the Eleven Commandments until we sin no more. We become "slaves", as Paul says in the next passage, in obedience to the Eleven Commandments, like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls. How Judaism failed to obey "all" the Ten Commandments was by replacing what God asked with their own human "law". For example, Judaism is cursed because instead of obeying God by learning to use His name properly, Judaism replaced God's Third Commandment with their own human "law" to not utter God's name at all, thus disobeying to learn to use God's name properly. We do the same thing Judaism did by replacing the Sabbath in the Fourth Commandment with Sunday, started by the bishops of Rome, replacing what God asks with human tradition that does not remove the sin that leads to death.

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law (of humans in Judaism), does that mean we can go on sinning (disobeying the Eleven Commandments)? Of course not (don't misunderstand God's grace in the Father putting Jesus as our High Priest)! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey (sin or God)? You can be a slave to sin (disobeying the Eleven Commandments), which leads to death (like Judaism's sabotage of not obeying "all" of God's Ten Commandments), or you can choose to obey God (Eleven Commandments that remove sin), which leads to righteous living (freedom from sin). Thank God (Jesus' many forgivenesses as our High Priest allowing us to grow in obedience through practice of the Eleven Commandments that remove sin)! Once you were slaves of sin (disobeying the Eleven Commandments), but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you (Eleven Commandments). Now you are free from your slavery to sin (when you obey Jesus' Eleven Commandments), and you have become slaves to righteous living (obeying the Eleven Commandments). (Romans 6:15-18 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge