Trump is asked, "how has your faith grown since you decided in 2015 to run for president?"

[JSRG]

Actually Biden is the most divisive President in history (or whoever is running this show).

Please explain how Biden could possibly be more divisive than Abraham Lincoln, whose election straight up caused a civil war. Or, for that matter, more divisive than James Buchanan, who did a lot during his presidency to set up that civil war.

 

[Pommer]

Please explain how Biden could possibly be more divisive than Abraham Lincoln, whose election straight up caused a civil war. Or, for that matter, more divisive than James Buchanan, who did a lot during his presidency to set up that civil war.

History is being made daily and many can get caught up in it as it unfolds and forget about large chunks of it that we have “laying around” already.

I dunno about anybody else, but I do know that if I’m angry, I tend to “forget” everything except about how to assuage the trigger point. That’s just me though.

 

[Fantine]

It seems as if this thread has gotten seriously off topic.

What does Biden have to do with Trump's faith--other than Trump's faith seeming so opportunistic and insincere by comparison?

 

[Pommer]

It seems as if this thread has gotten seriously off topic.

What does Biden have to do with Trump's faith--other than Trump's faith seeming so opportunistic and insincere by comparison?

I think that Mister Trump believes himself in that precise moment, to be a Christian.
For most people that is enough because that’s not something that they can turn off-and-on like he seems to be able do.
And that can be viewed as a good thing, because it poses the query of:
“God created us with free will and came and talked with us about how to ‘activate’ all that we need through faith; doing things that may, in some small way, be technically ’against-the-law’, allows us better knowledge where the boundaries betwixt Government and religion maybe ought to be?

 

[Say it aint so]

One more time: If millions of dollars from shady companies suddenly appear in your family members' accounts who have no legitimate business, unaccounted for in tax returns, AND you are known to send messages (verified from the Cloud by the IRS investigator) like “I am sitting here with my Father and we would like to know why the commitment has not been fulfilled." you are getting very close to connecting the puzzle pieces. The fact that whistleblowers and documents and tax returns and witnesses are pouring forth is substantive.

It's only the willfully ignorant who would simply say, "Well, clearly this is entirely above-board and not at all worthy of investigations and charges."

Counselor, that is not testimony. You have none to back up the statement you made.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Please explain how Biden could possibly be more divisive than Abraham Lincoln, whose election straight up caused a civil war. Or, for that matter, more divisive than James Buchanan, who did a lot during his presidency to set up that civil war.

Lincoln the man was NOT divisive; he actually did endeavor to make peace, unlike Biden, who rails against half the country, name-calling whenever he is flouted on some issues...even at reporters. I don't blame him personally He should never have been installed into office; he clearly has changed vastly, and we have decades of video to prove it. He even calls reporters names - just people who are asking questions.

Buchanan angered both sides. None of that matters today in terms of this current president and his weaponization of words and agencies against his political enemies. We are living in this time, with this current and somewhat scary disaster, as he has the nuclear codes and explodes at others regularly, all documented.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Measured how?

All that is false.

Nothing I said is false. All the tax records are there to prove it. No, he wasn't meeting with corrupt oligarchs with Hunter to "talk about the weather" either.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Counselor, that is not testimony. You have none to back up the statement you made.

• According to financial records obtained by the Oversight Committee, the Biden family set up over 20 shell companies, most of which were created when Joe Biden was vice president. IRS whistleblowers have confirmed the existence of these companies.

• Bank records obtained so far by the Oversight Committee show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ and their related companies. The Bidens engaged in many intentionally complicated financial transactions through their associates to hide these payments and avoid scrutiny.

• Both the Oversight Committee and whistleblowers have confirmed Hunter received millions of dollars from China, Ukraine, and Romania. IRS whistleblowers also presented evidence of Joe Biden’s knowledge and possible involvement in his family’s business schemes.

You do have to pay attention to what is actually happening in Congress, and not just listen to the talking heads who tell you that "there is nothing to see here".

Hearing Wrap Up: IRS Whistleblowers Expose How Bidens Were Treated Differently - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

 

[Say it aint so]

• According to financial records obtained by the Oversight Committee, the Biden family set up over 20 shell companies, most of which were created when Joe Biden was vice president. IRS whistleblowers have confirmed the existence of these companies.

• Bank records obtained so far by the Oversight Committee show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ and their related companies. The Bidens engaged in many intentionally complicated financial transactions through their associates to hide these payments and avoid scrutiny.

• Both the Oversight Committee and whistleblowers have confirmed Hunter received millions of dollars from China, Ukraine, and Romania. IRS whistleblowers also presented evidence of Joe Biden’s knowledge and possible involvement in his family’s business schemes.

You do have to pay attention to what is actually happening in Congress, and not just listen to the talking heads who tell you that "there is nothing to see here".

Hearing Wrap Up: IRS Whistleblowers Expose How Bidens Were Treated Differently - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

The evidence of Joe being involved? I mean claims are nice, but claims without evidence is butkus.

 

[NxNW]

Nonsubstantive response to a side point. You did not address the topic.

Your side point is false. No Civil War has occurred since 1865. Nor have we had, as suggested by false narratives in media, an "insurrection' or "coup"; it literally never happened. Did not fit the legal criteria. Anything substantive to say about the topic I addressed?

Yes.

Trump was indicted again today.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Yes.

Trump was indicted again today.

Nonresponsive to the topic of the post.

Every time another damaging revelation comes out about Biden, here comes a new indictment, right on time, FOUR times in what, 4 months? This one is just rehashing the failed impeachment. There are no actual charges here that will stand.

They don't like what he SAID. Speech is still protected. Even wrong speech. Even ideas you don't like. Even Trump saying, "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" (that phrase oddly seems to be cut or at least minimized from all state media sources), or "the election was stolen" (as Hillary also stated numerous times after her loss).

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

The evidence of Joe being involved? I mean claims are nice, but claims without evidence is butkus.

Financial forms, among others, showing money being deposited from shell accounts into Biden family member accounts. Joe Biden sitting in on meetings 20+ times with foreign corrupt players and his middle-aged son Hunter, "selling the brand".

There was no legitimate business. They were selling influence and thought they would never get caught.

 

[NxNW]

Nonresponsive to the topic of the post.

Every time another damaging revelation comes out about Biden, here comes a new indictment, right on time, FOUR times in what, 4 months?

I haven't heard any damaging revelations about Biden, except for the ones that are made up. Certainly nothing resulting in an indictment.

How many indictments does Trump have now?

This one is just rehashing the failed impeachment. There are no actual charges here that will stand.

How many charges does Biden have?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Or Jimmy Carter? Carter walked his faith all his life. Heck Carter's economy was better than Trumps.

Excuse me? I actually survived Carter’s economy.

Inflation second only to Biden’s

Interest rates at historical highs.

If you had good credit you could buy a new car for only 10% interest.

Low GDP growth

Energy crisis.

The reason why Carter lost in the greatest landslide election we have ever seen was a direct result of his economy.

The inflation rate hit a record high of 14.6% in March and April of 1980. It helped to lead to Carter’s defeat in that fall’s election. It also led to some significant changes in the US economy.

 

[Say it aint so]

Excuse me? I actually survived Carter’s economy.

Inflation second only to Biden’s

Interest rates at historical highs.

If you had good credit you could buy a new car for only 10% interest.

Low GDP growth

Energy crisis.

The reason why Carter lost in the greatest landslide election we have ever seen was a direct result of his economy.

You're excused. Carter's jobs numbers and GDP was better. In fact Trump's final jobs numbers were negative.

 

[Halbhh]

The reason why Carter lost in the greatest landslide election we have ever seen was a direct result of his economy.

While it might seem trivial, it was very important to me back then in those days -- the greatest landslide victory was in 1984. (not 1980) Carter was not running in 1984. My political hero (at that time, in my youth, when I had little wisdom yet...), Ronald Reagan won in the 'greatest landslide ever' (he ran against Mondale as I recall)

Here's something less trivial: Carter is the one of only 2 modern presidents where it's especially clear and definite he's showing several signs of being a Christian that actually believes, instead of only giving lip service for political gain only...

Which U.S. Presidents were the most religious?

Almost all U.S. commander-in-chiefs have been Protestant Christians and only three were religiously unaffiliated. Who were the most fervent in their faith?

religionnews.com

Jimmy Carter: Famous for being a baptist Sunday School teacher (even after his term), Jimmy Carter is recognized as the first “born again” president. Prior to serving, Carter took a missionary journey in which he knocked on strangers doors and said, “I’m Jimmy Carter, a peanut farmer. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior?” He read his Bible and prayed daily throughout his time in office, yet Carter was ultimately rejected by the emerging evangelical right.

George W. Bush: This second-generation commander-in-chief was certainly one of the most comfortable when it came to talking about religion, courting religious leaders, and using overtly religious language to justify policy decisions. Bush even famously remarked, “I believe God wants me to be president.” So intense was his spiritual fervor that Steven Mansfield concluded, “Whatever else the presidency of George W. Bush imprints on American history, it will at least have granted the nation an opportunity to rethink the role of religion in its public life.”

William McKinley: A proud Methodist, President McKinley avoided drinking, swearing, and smoking and other “sins.” He was a regular church attender while in office and according to eyewitnesses was quite an enthusiastic hymn-singer. He also believed that the government had a duty to spread both democracy and the Christian religion abroad. McKinley’s last words before death were reportedly, “Good-bye, good bye, all. It’s God’s way. His will, not ours, be done. Nearer my God to Thee, nearer to Thee.”

James Madison: President Madison was a faithful Episcopalian who signed a federal bill to appropriate funds for Bible distribution. Madison served on the Congressional committee that established and selected Congressional chaplains and he encouraged all public officials to openly declare their faith. Later in life, president Madison retracted many of his beliefs–arguing that government-paid chaplains and president-led prayers were unconstitutional–but he is still one of America’s most religious heads of state.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You're excused. Carter's jobs numbers and GDP was better. In fact Trump's final jobs numbers were negative.

How were his numbers BEFORE a global pandemic?

U.S. GDP | Historical Chart & Data

GDP at purchaser's prices is the sum of gross value added by all resident producers in the economy plus any product taxes and minus any subsidies not included in the value of the products. It is calculated without making deductions for depreciation of fabricated assets or for depletion and...

www.macrotrends.net

Carter:

Trump:

Unemployment

Again - Trump numbers better than Carter

 

[durangodawood]

How were his numbers BEFORE a global pandemic?

"His numbers."

Reminds me of "I built that!"

 

[wing2000]

Every time another damaging revelation comes out about Biden, here comes a new indictment, right on time, FOUR times in what, 4 months? This one is just rehashing the failed impeachment. There are no actual charges here that will stand.

You have it reversed. The right wing media has been pushing their "Hunter Biden" talking points for the last couple of weeks in anticipation of the Jan 6th indictments. It's pathetic how many people fall for this....

 

[Always in His Presence]

Carter - Prime interest rates = 19%

Trump - Prime Interest rates - 2%

NO - Carter's economy was NOT better then Trumps.