The Temple and the Sacrifices.

[Spiritual Jew]

It's not wonder the Catholics shake their heads at us "Protestants", But they are in the same camp as you: Confused (not nearly as confused though).

Well done on your level of activity at your age though. But rather stick to your construction projects. Your prophecy hobby has you in a labyrinth and the exit is not where you think it is because your direction is not what you think it is.

Now here's something we can agree on (keras's high level of confusion).

 

[Douggg]

7 “Before she goes into labor, (tribulation)
she gives birth; (to the 144000)
before the pains come upon her,(trib)
she delivers a manchild (144,000)
8 Who has ever heard of such things?
Who has ever seen things like this?
Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment?(the sealing of the 144000)
Yet no sooner is Zion in labor
than she gives birth to her children.(144000)

The entire verse is taking about the same thing the manchild and the 144000 are the same thing

I am using the kjv. You are using a different translation. I think the kjv is a better translation.

Nonetheless, for your translation, go back to your post and fix these spots, to read...

she delivers a manchild (Jesus)

Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment? (Israel, May 14, 1948)

Yet no sooner is Zion in labor
than she gives birth to her children.(the rest of the Jews)

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The man-child is Jesus. The 144,000 are the firstborn of Zion's chidren (Revelation 14:4). Her children in Isaiah 66:8 are the rest of the Jews.

 

[dfw69]

I am using the kjv. You are using a different translation. I think the kjv is a better translation.

Nonetheless, for your translation, go back to your post and fix these spots, to read...

she delivers a manchild (Jesus)

Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment? (Israel, May 14, 1948)


The man-child is Jesus.

If I truly believe this was correct I would gladly change what I wrote… but Douggg I cannot changed what I believe is not true

I’m sorry but the man child is not Jesus
Israel was not born in a day in 1948
And those prophecies are yet to be fulfilled during Dan 70 week .. we must agree to disagree on this one

 

[dfw69]

Now here's something we can agree on (keras's high level of confusion).

Keras is not that bad compared to others ….Keras can hold a strong conversation…

 

[Douggg]

You are right. The manchild is not JESUS.

Oseas, who is the manchild in this verse ?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[Douggg]

If I truly believe this was correct I would gladly change what I wrote… but Douggg I cannot changed what I believe is not true

Do you believe only the 144,000 of Israel's Jews will be saved ?

 

[dfw69]

Do you believe only the 144,000 of Israel's Jews will be saved ?

No ..I agreed with you when you quoted scripture that all Israel will be saved

The sealing of the 144000 seems to start the salvation process for that age

 

[Douggg]

No ..I agreed with you when you quoted scripture that all Israel will be saved

The sealing of the 144000 seems to start the salvation process for that age

So where are those other Jews in Isaiah 66:7-8 ?

Go back to my post #144. I fixed it again, to distinguish those other Jews - than the 144,000.

The 144,000 Jews are in Isaiah 66:7 "before Zion travailed".
The rest of the Jews are in Isaiah 66:8 "as soon as Zion travailed".

 

[keras]

Now here's something we can agree on (keras's high level of confusion).

You mean your high level of confusion and unbiblical beliefs.

Keras is not that bad compared to others ….Keras can hold a strong conversation…

Yes, but any amount of truth presented, has zero effect on your fixed beliefs.

I post what the Bible Prophets said. People who reject the idea of a new Temple, have to directly reject the many scriptures that tell of a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times. Jesus will Return to the Mt of Olives, dispose of the 'beasts' attacking armies, then enter the Temple - His dwelling place for the Millennium.
Only in Eternity, will there be no Temple. Revelation 21:22

I would much prefer for people to talk to me, rather than about me.

 

[Douggg]

I would much prefer for people to talk to me, rather than about me.

On that part, I agree. Everyone should just stick to the biblical issues.

 

[Oseas]

Oseas, who is the manchild in this verse ?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The manchild is not JESUS. When JESUS was born He came from heaven, but the dragon didn't come down from heaven, he stayed in heaven, you know? In no way could the red dragon be stood before Mary when was ready to be delivered, for to devour JESUS as soon as was born.

Don't you still understand that JESUS is GOD, and GOD wouldn't leave Satan in front of His mother when He was made flesh? Your interpretation is horrible, tenebrous, evil.

In the other hand, Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with Revelation 12; I mean, Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with the manchild which JESUS said in Revelation 12 it would be born. There is a great mystery here, and it is that JESUS came from heaven, but the manchild of Revelation 12 is from the earth(mystery?1Corinthians 1:27-28), and the manchild was born here in similarity or at likeness to the birth of John the Baptist in the first coming of JESUS, the voice that claimed in the wildness-Isaiah 40. Paul Apostle said: "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first", as is written in Daniel 12:1-4. (See, Revelation 12 and Daniel 12. Coincidence? No, its is not, for me)

Be careful with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, you know?

 

[Oseas]

wrote to the [B]dfw69[/B]
Go back to my post #144. I fixed it again, to distinguish those other Jews - than the 144,000.

The 144,000 Jews are in Isaiah 66:7 "before Zion travailed".
The rest of the Jews are in Isaiah 66:8 "as soon as Zion travailed".

Regardings the sons of Zion, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executable. Isaiah 33:10 to 15:

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off (the Gentiles), what I have done; and, ye that are near(the Jewish people), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Yes, who?

 

[dfw69]

You mean your high level of confusion and unbiblical beliefs.

Yes, but any amount of truth presented, has zero effect on your fixed beliefs.

I post what the Bible Prophets said. People who reject the idea of a new Temple, have to directly reject the many scriptures that tell of a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times. Jesus will Return to the Mt of Olives, dispose of the 'beasts' attacking armies, then enter the Temple - His dwelling place for the Millennium.
Only in Eternity, will there be no Temple. Revelation 21:22

I would much prefer for people to talk to me, rather than about me.

Just teasing you like brothers do … I love you bro …

 

[Douggg]

The manchild is not JESUS. When JESUS was born He came from heaven, but the dragon didn't come down from heaven, he stayed in heaven, you know? In no way could the red dragon be stood before Mary when was ready to be delivered, for to devour JESUS as soon as was born.

Don't you still understand that JESUS is GOD, and GOD wouldn't leave Satan in front of His mother when He was made flesh? Your interpretation is horrible, tenebrous, evil.

In the other hand, Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with Revelation 12; I mean, Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with the manchild which JESUS said in Revelation 12 it would be born. There is a great mystery here, and it is that JESUS came from heaven, but the manchild of Revelation 12 is from the earth(mystery?1Corinthians 1:27-28), and the manchild was born here in similarity or at likeness to the birth of John the Baptist in the first coming of JESUS, the voice that claimed in the wildness-Isaiah 40. Paul Apostle said: "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first", as is written in Daniel 12:1-4. (See, Revelation 12 and Daniel 12. Coincidence? No, its is not, for me)

Be careful with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, you know?

So, you are stripping Jesus, the man-child of Isaiah 9:6, born to Israel, to no longer be the man-child in Isaiah 66:7 who delivers Israel, nor be the man-child who delivers the 144,000, nor be the man-child who delivers the rest of the Jews in the end times ? Jesus is no longer the deliverer in your view, when it comes to the Jews and Israel?

And you are stripping Jesus of being born to the woman, the same description of Israel in Genesis, and being caught up to God and his throne, in Revelation 12:1-5? Although in Acts it says Jesus was "taken up" to heaven in a cloud.

Oseas, it is the same Jesus the man-child in Isaiah 9:6, in Isaiah 66:7, Revelation 12:1-5. And the woman is same Israel in Isaiah 9;6, in Isaiah 66:7, Revelation 12.

And it is the same Jesus who God the Father will send for the rapture/resurrection. Jesus is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word will be returning as God Almighty. The same Jesus was in the beginning with God. And you want to take away Him being the man-child. What can you possibly be thinking, Oseas ?

 

[Oseas]

So, you are stripping Jesus, the man-child of Isaiah 9:6, born to Israel, to no longer be the man-child in Isaiah 66:7 who delivers Israel, nor be the man-child who delivers the 144,000, nor be the man-child who delivers the rest of the Jews in the end times ? Jesus is no longer the deliverer in your view, when it comes to the Jews and Israel?

As I said and repit it: Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with Revelation 12; I mean, Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with the manchild which JESUS said in Revelation 12 it would be born. JESUS was not speaking of He himself.

And you are stripping Jesus of being born to the woman, the same description of Israel in Genesis, and being caught up to God and his throne, in Revelation 12:1-5? Although in Acts it says Jesus was "taken up" to heaven in a cloud.

Don't you still understand that JESUS is GOD, and GOD wouldn't leave Satan in front of His mother when He was made flesh? Your interpretation and conceptions are horrible, tenebrous, evil.
When JESUS was born He came from heaven, but the dragon didn't come down from heaven, he stayed in heaven, you know? In no way could the red dragon be stood before Mary when was ready to be delivered, for to devour JESUS as soon as was born.

Your interpretation is good for nothing, Douggg, what you have preached is not true, never will.

Oseas, it is the same Jesus the man-child in Isaiah 9:6, in Isaiah 66:7, Revelation 12:1-5. And the woman is same Israel in Isaiah 9;6, in Isaiah 66:7, Revelation 12.

No, he is not JESUS, and is not linked to the Isaiah 9:6 and 66:7, but is in Revelation 12:1-5; and the woman, and is not linked in any of the Scriptures you cited. What you're imagining, speculating, and assuming, it's all wrong, but all.

And it is the same Jesus who God the Father will send for the rapture/resurrection. Jesus is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word will be returning as God Almighty. The same Jesus was in the beginning with God. And you want to take away Him being the man-child. What can you possibly be thinking, Oseas ?

I'm not thinking nothing, Douggg, I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executable.
Dougg, I must tell unto you that the testimony of GOD is greater than yours. Your thinking is from a human perspective, I would say a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.

What GOD said by the prophet Isaiah about the manchild Revelation 12:1-5 (great mystery) it is written in Isaiah 7:14-16, and he is not a Jewish man, but he is one like unto the Son of man -is like unto JESUS - and he was caught up unto GOD, and to his throne. GOD's Throne? Psalm 97:1-2.

The woman is the Church of my Lord JESUS, by the way, the TAIL of the red Dragon drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. It seems you are one of them, Douggg, you must discern that when you were born material or spiritually the dragon was stood before your mother, mother material and spiritually speaking, to devour you when you were born material and spiritually.

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[keras]

Just teasing you like brothers do … I love you bro …

I can handle that!

But I do worry about my brethren; generally Christians are unprepared for what is Prophesied to happen. We are warned about the forthcoming Day when the Lord will reset our civilization to a similar extent as He did in Noah's time.
How many of those here know the Lord's intentions for His Creation, now in a very precarious state? In a state of apostasy and rejection of God.

1 Peter 4:12 says: Dear friends; do not be surprised by the fiery test which has come to test you.......
Peter does say -has come.... But there has not yet been a 'fiery test to try us all', yet. Individuals, yes, but not a general event, as is Prophesied many times throughout the Bible.
I have presented these clearly stated Prophesies, without any genuine response for years now. It is obvious to me that people who have chosen to believe in false theories and fanciful ideas, have their understanding blocked. They WILL be surprised and shocked on that terrible Day.

 

[Douggg]

As I said and repit it: Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with Revelation 12; I mean, Isaiah 9:6 has nothing to do with the manchild which JESUS said in Revelation 12 it would be born. JESUS was not speaking of He himself.

Jesus is speaking in Revelation 12 ? No, it is John speaking - about the great wonder he saw while in the third heaven.

Is Jesus the man child in Isaiah 9:6 ? Yes or no. Answer the question please.

Was Jesus taken up to heaven in Acts 1 ? Yes or no. Answer the question, please.

Don't you still understand that JESUS is GOD, and GOD wouldn't leave Satan in front of His mother when He was made flesh?

The woman in Revelation 12:1-5 is not Jesus's actual mother, Mary, but Israel - God's metaphorical wife.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, I would say a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.

If you were thinking from God's perspective, you would know that the woman in Revelation 12 is not Mary, but Israel-God's metaphorical wife.

And the woman is not the church, either. Jesus builds his church. The church is not Jesus's mother.

 

[dfw69]

I can handle that!

But I do worry about my brethren;

Me too

generally Christians are unprepared for what is Prophesied to happen.

I understand we are subject to many trial and tribulations throughout our lives since the birth of Christianity but your prophecy of Gods judgement coming in our day and age is just not happening until the proper time

I do however worry about the thought of a false flag against Christianity created by rulers in high places planning an end of the world deception to blame Christianity to seek to destroy Christianity

We are warned about the forthcoming Day when the Lord will reset our civilization to a similar extent as He did in Noah's time.

In Noah time civilization was so far from God that only Noah and his family cared to listen to Gods word.

Same will be during the coming false messianic age . Society will be far away from believing in the doctrine of the Father and the Son. The darkness will be so great that judgement must fall to awaken those that are asleep in the darkness

The reset comes after the false messianic age

The only thing that may come soon is the deception i just mentioned against Christianity so that Judaism may prevail and from all the eschatology studies i have encountered over the years on forums which is mostly anti-Christianity and pro-Judaism the puzzle is coming together and the picture is starting to become clearer

How many of those here know the Lord's intentions for His Creation, now in a very precarious state? In a state of apostasy and rejection of God.

Many today already believe in the Father and Son doctrine and the salvation that comes with believing in the good news but the enemies of the gospel are growing against Christianity

1 Peter 4:12 says: Dear friends; do not be surprised by the fiery test which has come to test you.......
Peter does say -has come.... But there has not yet been a 'fiery test to try us all', yet. Individuals, yes, but not a general event, as is Prophesied many times throughout the Bible.
I have presented these clearly stated Prophesies, without any genuine response for years now.

most of the prophecies you quote are from the Old Testament that concerns Israel rebirth restoration salvation and deliverance

It is obvious to me that people who have chosen to believe in false theories and fanciful ideas, have their understanding blocked. They WILL be surprised and shocked on that terrible Day.

Keras the judgement of God falls on those denying the Father and the Son doctrine. It also falls of those rejecting that Jesus is the coming King of the Jews and Heir to the throne of David. And it falls on those for the persecution of His elect and His saints who had washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb from every language people tribe and nation during the false messianic age

 

[Douggg]

No, it is not John speaking, but writing what was showed unto him.

I agree. But it was not Jesus speaking in the text of Revelation 12. John wrote what he saw and heard.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I don’t see where you said “not just dna evidence”. Can you clarify? How would some prove descent from Aaron, since dna tests can’t fully demonstrate that?

it is from many sources, not soley DNA...for a start, tracing their priestly lineage through family trees, oral traditions, DNA and possessing a common priestly surname such as Cohen, Kahn, Kohane, etc...The Cohen line is patrilineal, it has been passed down from father to son over the last 3,300 years and all should also have a common set of genetic markers.