Nancy Pelosi’s home town -a pretty dirty place

[Always in His Presence]

San Francisco’s Streets Are Filthy. A New Survey Shows How Dirty

A new city survey showed feces in almost half of commercial areas.

sfstandard.com

From sidewalk feces to overflowing trash cans, San Franciscans have long complained about how dirty the city is. And now we have official confirmation from City Hall. The Controller’s Office released a report Monday telling many city residents what they already knew: San Francisco is a pretty dirty place.

“It’s terrible; this street is covered,” said Joe Souza, a Tenderloin resident who has lived on Larkin Street for a year. “There’s poop everywhere. You always see it along the wall and in front of the garage there.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

San Francisco’s Streets Are Filthy. A New Survey Shows How Dirty

A new city survey showed feces in almost half of commercial areas.

sfstandard.com

From sidewalk feces to overflowing trash cans, San Franciscans have long complained about how dirty the city is. And now we have official confirmation from City Hall. The Controller’s Office released a report Monday telling many city residents what they already knew: San Francisco is a pretty dirty place.

“It’s terrible; this street is covered,” said Joe Souza, a Tenderloin resident who has lived on Larkin Street for a year. “There’s poop everywhere. You always see it along the wall and in front of the garage there.”

It's really sad, SF used to be a fun place to visit. Now you just stay away. Every year it seems to get worse.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This is what California loves, and wants to bring to your cities and towns.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is what California loves, and wants to bring to your cities and towns.

It's something to seriously consider when voting. It's not just SF is all throughout the State of California with SF probably being the worst. California is one of the most beautiful places on the planet and I dearly love what it used to be, but it's not the same and agree this is what will happen throughout the US if allowed.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I have to ask, for a deep blue state filled with climate activist and environmentalists why is it covered in feces?

 

[Belk]

This is what California loves, and wants to bring to your cities and towns.

Here I thought bearing false witness was against Christian ethics.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Here I thought bearing false witness was against Christian ethics.

It is. Why..? Are you suggesting that I bear false witness..? A grave, and mortal sin..?

 

[Belk]

It is. Why..? Are you suggesting that I bear false witness..?

If you are claiming that Californians like living in squalor and want to bring it to other areas, yes. That is a unintended consequence and not something they actively desire. Especially not based on a single city in the most populists state in the union.

 

[Landon Caeli]

If you are claiming that Californians like living in squalor and want to bring it to other areas, yes. That is a unintended consequence and not something they actively desire. Especially not based on a single city in the most populists state in the union.

Well, when they decriminalized hard drugs, to a misdemeanor like Jay walking, they knew it would bring open-air drug use, increased homelessness, and uncleanness.

Whether a direct or indirect consequence, it was the decision they chose, and haven't gone back on. Nothing suggests they wouldn't like to apply it across the country, if they had the choice.

 

[Belk]

Well, when they decriminalized hard drugs, to a misdemeanor like Jay walking, they knew it would bring open-air drug use, increased homelessness, and uncleanness.

They did? Where was that stated? What study showed them this?

Whether a direct or indirect consequence, it was the decision they chose, and haven't gone back on. Nothing suggests they wouldn't like to apply it across the country, if they had the choice.

This is the standard now? I don't know that they would not like to do this so I can state unequivocally that they would?

 

[Landon Caeli]

They did? Where was that stated? What study showed them this?

This is the standard now? I don't know that they would not like to do this so I can state unequivocally that they would?

These things should be considered common sense.

 

[Belk]

These things should be considered common sense.

No. Common sense encompasses things in common experience. This is simply your opinion, not something that is commonly experienced by cities that legalize psychedelics.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I think San Fran fell into the ideological trap of being unwilling to admit that certain policies don't work, and instead of simply conceding, assumed "the problem must be that we're not doing enough of this thing that we're for sure is the answer to the problem"

Whatever they're doing clearly isn't working.

According to Democratic orthodoxy, it should be one of the best places in America as it checks all the boxes for what many progressives say are the keys to producing a quality society.

It's a city with strict gun ordinances in a state that already had strict gun laws
It's a city that's made moves to decriminalize harder drugs
It's a city with rent control
It's a city located in a high tax county tax district (in a high income tax state)
They have several (expensive) social safety net programs at the county level in addition to the safety nets the state of California provides.


Yet, the stats on a variety of things (from crime, to poverty, to hard drug use, to homelessness, to unemployment) aren't looking so good.



What makes this a tough nut to crack in terms of identifying causes, is that there are some other cities in the New England region that have some of the same things/policies, but don't end up turning into a feces-ridden trash heap.


I think part of it is a cultural thing. Places like San Fran and Portland were long thought of as the place where hippies wanted to go specifically for the purposes of doing drugs and being non-productive in sort of a "free love"/"non-conforming" environment. As to where places in the New England region never really had that cultural association.

So perhaps legalizing certain drugs and decriminalizing certain things only works in places where the overwhelming majority of people still want to be productive members of society (but want to be able to party a little on the weekends without legal hassles), and not so much in areas where people specifically go because they want to do that kind of stuff 24/7.

 

[Blade]

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

So knowing Calf and have family there who were born there.. some of us can say "This is what California loves, and wants to bring to your cities and towns.".

 

[Landon Caeli]

No. Common sense encompasses things in common experience. This is simply your opinion, not something that is commonly experienced by cities that legalize psychedelics.

Not psychadelics... They actually downgraded personal quantities of crack, meth and heroin to misdemeanors.

They should have known what would happen.

 

[Belk]

Not psychadelics... They actually downgraded personal quantities of crack, meth and heroin to misdemeanors.

They should have known what would happen.

Why should they have known it would happen?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Why should they have known it would happen?

It's hard to believe that the results would be shocking to anyone. large supplies of drugs, super high cost of living, large homeless population - and then reduced punishments for public drug use? To me, the results are a no brainer.

...What else would have happened?

 

[Belk]

It's hard to believe that the results would be shocking to anyone. large supplies of drugs, super high cost of living, large homeless population - and then reduced punishments for public drug use? To me, the results are a no brainer.

...What else would have happened?

What results specifically are you talking about? San Fran's policies are not that far from Seattle but I don't need to worry about feces on the street.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Why should they have known it would happen?

Human behavior on other things should've been a little bit of a giveaway.

For instance, Columbia University conducted a study that found that when cannabis is either legalized or decriminalized, more people end up doing it, and the people who were already doing it, ended up increasing their usage patterns.

When they downgraded certain forms of shoplifting (or made it "low priority enforcement"), there was a rash of shoplifting incidents in the cities trying it.

I'm in favor of cannabis legalization simply because the externalities are low and it presents no more risk than alcohol when regulated the same way. However, some of the harder drugs have significantly higher risks.

There are actually some "not so distant history" instances from other parts of the world where they've tried legalizing things with the thought that "if we just legalize/decriminalize, it won't make the problem any worse, and it'll make things safer in the long run" (with the flawed mentality of "if we take power away from the black market a regulate it, it'll be a net positive" and have had to pump the brakes pretty quickly.

Specific example:
Most people probably aren't aware, but the Netherlands actually experimented with legalizing a certain abhorrent form of child "contentography" in the 70's. There was an explosion of people producing (including the largest "adult content" producer in their country) and consuming that material once they knew they would no longer get in trouble for it. They had to end up rolling back the law 3 years later after they realized what a horrible mistake they'd made.

I suspect some of these cities will have to end up reversing course on some of these "relaxed laws" they've opted for.

 

[Landon Caeli]

What results specifically are you talking about? San Fran's policies are not that far from Seattle but I don't need to worry about feces on the street.

I'm pretty sure that in Seattle, you still get arrested for hard drugs, on a class C felony. Whereas in California, you get a citation to appear in court later, and don't typically even get arrested since it's only a misdemeanor.

...So that means people remain on the streets, never leaving, and continue panhandling and buying more drugs until they pass out or die. In the meantime, they're defecating on the sidewalks.

...These are not "hippies", who read books and go on nature hikes subscribing to a kind of artistic counterculture, these are completely lost individuals.