The Temple and the Sacrifices.

[eleos1954]

But the Bible does tell of a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Ezekiel 40 to 46
It will be God's Temple and His glory will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4.
At the mid point of the final 7 years of this age, a powerful leader will enter the Temple and desecrate it, as Revelation 13:6, 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27, tell us.

Ignoring these plainly stated scriptures is foolishness and nothing short of rejecting the holy Word.
Jesus is the final temple .... those in Him dwell in the real temple (not made with hands - a spiritual temple) .... all of the earthly temples were pointing to Jesus .... the final sacrifice for all .... for all time. Jesus fulfilled everything needed for salvation at the cross ... for all for all time.

There will be a religious leader (a man) that will claim he has the divine authority of Christ on earth and "think" he can change God's laws .... which is blasphemy thus desolating the spiritual temple ..... many will be deceived.

Ignoring these plainly stated scriptures is foolishness and nothing short of rejecting the holy Word.

Who's rejecting the Holy Word? One who understands earthly man-made temples are worthless ... or one who understands the temple of God is spiritual and those in the spiritual temple of God (Jesus) dwell there and He with them.

Acts 7

48However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
49‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.

What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?

50Has not My hand made all these things?’

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 ESV​

Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

1 Peter 2:4-5 ESV​

As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:16 ESV​

Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

Ephesians 2:21-22 ESV​

In whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

John 2:19-21 ESV​

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

 

[RandyPNW]

But the Bible does tell of a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Ezekiel 40 to 46
It will be God's Temple and His glory will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4.
At the mid point of the final 7 years of this age, a powerful leader will enter the Temple and desecrate it, as Revelation 13:6, 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27, tell us.

For one thing, this view is based on a disputed view of Daniel's 70 Weeks Prophecy. I don't believe the Bible teaches a future 70th Week of Daniel, though that is a very popular teaching today. Only about 2 of the early Church Fathers taught that. The vast majority saw the Prophecy as fulfilled in Jesus' time.

2 Thes 2.4 does *not* teach the building of a "new temple." At the time Paul wrote this, the temple still existed. You would have to assume Paul was speaking in light of the presently-existing temple of Herod.

But Paul knew that Herod's temple was about to be destroyed. So I deduce from this that Paul was speaking of the displacement of temple worship, which would be destroyed, with Antichrist's self-worship. He will take his seat in the place where the temple had stood, receiving worship to himself instead of to God.

Ezekiel's vision in 40-48 was a symbolic vision, showing Israel why their temple was destroyed. They were not properly using temple worship to look forward to the promises God made to Abraham.

It was not a temple ever intended to be employed, although the promises themselves would certainly be fulfilled. That is what the vision meant. It was not a prophecy promising the rebuilding of the temple, but rather a vision of a hypothetical temple project designed to condemn Israel's lack of faithfulness to its purposes.

 

[keras]

My preferred view is that the "temple" is not literal, in view of the fact Jesus said it would be destroyed or obliterated. There is no mention of its restoration,

Jesus did Prophesy the destruction of the Second Temple. His teaching was that for the Church age, we Christians are the Spiritual Temple of God. But Pauls statement in 2 Thess 2:4, is plain; there will be a new Temple and it will be dedicated to God. There has to be, so as Satan can desecrate it. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-7
Prophesies like Haggai 2:9, Isaiah 60:7 & Zechariah 1:16-17, cannot be construed any other way than referring to a Third Temple, to be built before Jesus Returns.

Ezekiel's vision in 40-48 was a symbolic vision, showing Israel why their temple was destroyed. They were not properly using temple worship to look forward to the promises God made to Abraham.

Yes, for the Israelites before, and now we look forward to those amazing Promises! All of Ezekiel 40 to 48, will be literally fulfilled. The Bible does not devote eight chapters to symbols.

Our purpose is to preach Christ

I do that and have served for many years in missions.
You admonition to me is out of line, as my promotion of the Prophetic Word is as the Lord has directed me. Do you think I can say to Him; No, I can't teach Bible prophecy any more!

I look forward with great anticipation to the future. But as Isaiah 17:12-14 says: there will be a scary time before the wonderful Promises of God to His faithful peoples, will be fulfilled.
What is the shame, is that so many are simply unable to understand what the Lord has planned for our future. So we must stand firm in our faith and trust God, whatever happens.

 

[RandyPNW]

Jesus did Prophesy the destruction of the Second Temple. His teaching was that for the Church age, we Christians are the Spiritual Temple of God. But Pauls statement in 2 Thess 2:4, is plain; there will be a new Temple and it will be dedicated to God. There has to be, so as Satan can desecrate it. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-7
Prophesies like Haggai 2:9, Isaiah 60:7 & Zechariah 1:16-17, cannot be construed any other way than referring to a Third Temple, to be built before Jesus Returns.

Not at all true. Haggai and Zechariah spoke of the restoration of the temple in their day, and of its importance in light of the coming of Messiah. The "glory" Haggai spoke of was Jesus' literal presence at Herod's temple during his earthly ministry. Zechariah spoke of the rebuilding of the 2nd temple, and Isaiah spoke of the future adornment of the temple by Messiah's work. None of this requires we establish a rebuilt temple after the destruction of Herod's temple.

Yes, for the Israelites before, and now we look forward to those amazing Promises! All of Ezekiel 40 to 48, will be literally fulfilled. The Bible does not devote eight chapters to symbols.

Actually, that's what we were told in so many words. It was called a "vision," and its purpose was explicitly said to be for the reproof of the people of Israel at that time. It was to make them "ashamed" for the way they had operated in temple worship. The temple was viewed high on a mountain, which places it out of the realm of literalness. So I assume you just ran past these things?

I do that and have served for many years in missions.
You admonition to me is out of line, as my promotion of the Prophetic Word is as the Lord has directed me. Do you think I can say to Him; No, I can't teach Bible prophecy any more!

I don't question the good that you've done. I question your hardness of heart on matters that do not relate to Christ himself. I've found that with Christ placed at the heart of each issue we better understand the purpose of a prophecy, as well as understand its meaning better.

There are too many self-proclaimed "prophets" here in these "prophecy" chatrooms. They always want to be the "voice of God." When we start saying, "God told me this," and "God told me that--otherwise you're a fool," then I know it's off the wall. I don't want you going there, brother.

 

[keras]

Not at all true. Haggai and Zechariah spoke of the restoration of the temple in their day

Impossible; their Prophesies simply do not fit the second Temple.
I say again; a third Temple is needed in the future, to fulfil the prophesies about the Anti-Christ person desecrating it. Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4

It was called a "vision," and its purpose was explicitly said to be for the reproof of the people of Israel at that time.

Ezekiel 40 to 48, is for the Israelites of God in the end times. It details the fruition of God's Plan to have a people who have freely believed in Him and occupying all of the holy Land.
Thinking otherwise just makes it all meaningless.

I question your hardness of heart on matters that do not relate to Christ Himself

The whole Bible is to do with Christ. I point out what it tells us about future events.
That you and most, are unwilling or unable to comprehend it all, is not my worry.

I repeat: I am not a prophet, just a messenger as my given name says. Strongs H3745

 

[RandyPNW]

Impossible; their Prophesies simply do not fit the second Temple.
I say again; a third Temple is needed in the future, to fulfil the prophesies about the Anti-Christ person desecrating it. Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4

Ezekiel 40 to 48, is for the Israelites of God in the end times. It details the fruition of God's Plan to have a people who have freely believed in Him.
Thinking otherwise just makes it all meaningless.

The whole Bible is to do with Christ. I point out what it tells us about future events.
That you and most, are unwilling or unable to comprehend it all, is not my worry.

I repeat: I am not a prophet, just a messenger as my given name says. Strongs H3745

I'm fine with that. State your business, and then stop harassing those who disagree with you.

 

[dfw69]

Yes a temple is going to be built in Jerusalem and a false messiah or messiahs will be anointed and a false messianic age will begin

 

[keras]

I'm fine with that. State your business, and then stop harassing those who disagree with you.

So its harassment to prove someone wrong, by using scriptures?

What is quite evident, is that most people will be shocked and surprised when things really do start to happen. Shame really, as the Prophets have given us plenty of warning and details about what God has planned for our future.

Yes a temple is going to be built in Jerusalem and a false messiah or messiahs will be anointed and a false messianic age will begin

There is no such person as a 'false Messiah' prophesied to come in the end times. There will be a powerful and charismatic leader who will take over the One World Govt. He will declare, or anoint himself to be God, in the new Temple. 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27

Maybe some will view him as a messiah, but that is not how he is referred to in Revelation. His reign will last for just 1260 days.

 

[Zao is life]

The Bible don't speak of a 3rd temple being built. Orthodox jews are inspired to build another temple because they do not believe Jesus is Messiah. It will not be built.

Hopefully it will not be built. Already there are many deluded Christians.

 

[Zao is life]

Yes a temple is going to be built in Jerusalem and a false messiah or messiahs will be anointed and a false messianic age will begin

And the real antichrist will have risen to prominence in the tabernacle of God - the church - out of the lawlessness in the church and the blindness of Christians, and his ability to "unify the saints" in adherence to his doctrines.

 

[Zao is life]

You are right, however do people prefer to be castigated by me or by God, when they stand before His in Judgment?

"For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted." Luke 14:11

You castigate no one with your false doctrines, and Jesus has not exalted you to the position of being able to castigate anyone - you have exalted yourself.

 

[Zao is life]

The Antichrist will not be a Jewish High Priest. Instead, he will be the thought to be messiah by the Jews and anointed the King of Israel.


So you are another "the pope is the Antichrist" theorist ?

The real antichrist will appear in the Tabernacle of God, of which there is only one.

 

[Zao is life]

I see no value in a restoration of Jewish temple worship, and do not recognize any relationship with biblical prophecy. In the last days Israel will come under judgment just like any other nation. In fact, the whole world is going to be judged at the coming of Christ.

So whatever man does, in false religions or in outdated religions like Judaism, it will be judged at the coming of Christ, and will have its place taken away in the presence of the Kingdom of God.

People have tried to rebuild Babylon. And they actually succeeded in rebuilding Jericho. But these things come at great cost, without any substantial value. It would be better if they didn't happen.

We have a new priesthood, the priesthood of Christ. And we have a new temple, the temple of Christ. The sacrifices were fulfilled at the Cross. Life now comes by the gift of Christ, rather than by service to outmoded foreshadowings of what Christ did to atone for our sins.

Everything under the Law showed our ineptitude in matters of obtaining Eternal Life. There is no sense in going back to the Law, which never could obtain anything more than a temporary approval from God. It would actually offend God now, since it circumvents what it was meant to lead to, Christ and his righteousness.

Most Dispensationalists agree with all of the above, but they see the Jews building a temple in Jerusalem and reinstating the animal sacrificial system as the fulfillment of prophecy.

Despite their professed love for the state of Israel and the Jewish people, most Dispensationalists gleefully anticipate "the second time" God comes down in judgment of the unbelieving Jews once they have built this temple (knowing that He has already judged their unbelief in 70 AD), because most Disps. believe that this is what will cause the nations to come against Jerusalem and the Messiah to come (as prophesied by Zechariah in Zechariah chapters 12-14).

So they happily anticipate the building of this third temple and God's judgment of the Jews "the second time round" - and in the process, they fail to believe the truth that the temple that Paul states the man of sin will appear in, is the church.

How easy it will be for the real antichrist to lead most of the Christians away in apostasy while instead of pointing to the real Antichrist calling him "Antichrist!", "Satan!", they will be pointing to the hapless Jewish high priest whose deluded aim is to harm nobody, calling him "Antichrist!", "Satan!", and following the real Antichrist.

Strong delusion.

 

[Zao is life]

Brothers and sisters, the temple that the Antichrist will set himself up in, is the New Testament Temple. Do not conflate the made-with-human-hands G2411-hieron- with the G3485-naos (holy place and most holy place inside the temple).

[Strongs Greek Dictionary] 02411 (English: Temple)
ἱερόν hierón, hee-er-on' neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts, whereas 3485 [naós] denotes the central sanctuary itself (of the Temple in Jerusalem, or elsewhere).

Without exception, whenever you read of Jesus entering the temple in Jerusalem, the Greek word employed for "temple", is G2411 hierón - because Jesus was not a priest in terms of Moses' law and was not allowed into the G3485-naós (the holy places, where only the priests were allowed).

It would be very strange if any verse in the gospels telling about Jesus in the temple in Jerusalem, used the word G3485-noas. However, the Greek never does.

Likewise it would be very strange if, where we read that Jesus told the Jews that His body is the G3485-naos Temple of God, the Greek word used was G2411-hieron, which refers to the made-with-human-hands temple complex in Jerusalem. However, the Greek does not use the word G2411-hieron in those verses where Jesus tells the Jews that His body is the Temple of God.

G2411-hieron is always used in reference to the made-with-human-hands temple complex in Jerusalem, and G3485-naos is always used in reference to:-

(a) the holy place/most holy place that was inside the temple complex (i.e the place where the presence of God dwelt); or
(b) to the body of Christ (the place where the presence of God dwells); or
(c) to the bodies of individual saints (the place where the presence of God dwells); or
(d) to the congregations of the saints (the place where the presence of God dwells); or
(e) to the temple in heaven (in the Revelation).

None of the verses referring to the temple of God found in (a), (b), ( c ), (d) and (e) use the word G2411-hieron. Not even once - and the very last time that G3485-naos is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses telling about the tearing of the veil in the G3485- naos:-

After His resurrection Jesus entered into the real and only G3485-naós in heaven, of which the earthly temple was the pattern. This is why the word G3485-naos ceased being used in reference to the Jerusalem temple after the verses talking about the tearing of the veil in the G3485-naós. It was 40 years before the Jerusalem temple was destroyed.

Regarding 2 Thessalonians 2:4
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When Paul wrote his letters to the churches at Corinth, Ephesus and Thessaloniki, he used the word G2411-hierón in reference to the temple in Jerusalem (which was still standing) in 1 Corinthians 9:13.

However Paul consistently used the word G3485-naós when speaking about the bodies of individual Christians, and the congregations of Christians as the tabernacle (temple) of God (1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21-22).

So IF he was referring to a physical, man-made structure in Jerusalem in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 when talking about the man of sin seating himself up in the sanctuary of God, there is no reason why Paul would not use the word G-2411-hierón. But Paul used the word G3485 naós in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

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Regarding the temple in Revelation 11:1-2​

The word G3485-naos is used in Revelation 11:1-2, and Revelation 11:2 is talking about the holy city.

There are no verses in the Revelation where "Babylon the Great", or the city "spiritually called Sodom and Egypt", or "the cities of the nations" that fell when the 7th bowl of wrath was poured out, are called "the holy city", but the Revelation calls New Jerusalem "the holy city" three times:

Revelation 21:2; Revelation 21:10; and Revelation 22:19.

Revelation 11:2 is talking about the holy city. The temple that Revelation 11:1 is referring to is the naós - it uses the word naós for "temple".

The other city referred to in Revelation chapter 11, is referred to as a city that is "spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Revelation 11:8).

The are no verses in the New Testament that use the word G2411-hieron in reference to the place where the presence of God dwelt until the tearing of the veil / place where the presence of God dwells. The verses referring to the place where the presence of God dwelt until the tearing of the veil / place where the presence of God dwells all use the Greek word G3485-naos.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 tells us that the Antichrist will appear in the G3485-naos. The New Testament tells us what temple that is.

 

[Douggg]

How easy it will be for the real antichrist to lead most of the Christians away in apostasy while instead of pointing to the real Antichrist calling him "Antichrist!", "Satan!", they will be pointing to the hapless Jewish high priest whose deluded aim is to harm nobody, calling him "Antichrist!", "Satan!", and following the real Antichrist.

No-one is claiming that the Antichrist will be a Jewish high priest. Nor is it in bible prophecy that the Antichrist will be a Jewish high priest.

"The" messiah to the Jews will be the King of Israel, to lead them and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

The Antichrist will be perceived by the Jews to be their long awaited messiah - King of Israel, descended from King David.

"Christ the King of Israel" - Mark 15:32

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The Antichrist will be some the Jews will embrace thinking that he is their promised King of Israel of the messianic age.

 

[Zao is life]

The Antichrist will be some the Jews will embrace thinking that he is their promised King of Israel of the messianic age.

Where does it say so in the New Testament? Because 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is referring to the New Testament Tabernacle, and so is Revelation 11:1-2.

 

[Zao is life]

Our purpose is to preach Christ, and not spend an undue amount of time arguing temples and places and who believes what specific happens at specific times. The purpose of the Bible is evangelical, to bring us into close relationship with the Savior. Keep that up front, and some of your concerns will be diminished.

Given the apostasy mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 and the mention of the man of sin appearing in the temple amidst lawlessness, it's important for saints to know which temple is being referred to - but not more important than what you say above .

 

[dfw69]

And the real antichrist will have risen to prominence in the tabernacle of God - the church - out of the lawlessness in the church and the blindness of Christians, and his ability to "unify the saints" in adherence to his doctrines.

I see you trying to point the finger at the church to produce the AC

But scripture points to the Jews

If the church produces a man who comes claiming to be Jehovah who hates Jesus and loves Judaism and says He never had a son named Jesus to die for mankind and that doctrine is a lie from false witnesses and he leads the armies of the nations who are likeminded to mt meggido to seek to take over Jerusalem

Then I might believe you

 

[dfw69]

So its harassment to prove someone wrong, by using scriptures?

No it’s not

What is quite evident, is that most people will be shocked and surprised when things really do start to happen.

it’s not going to happen in our lifetime

Shame really, as the Prophets have given us plenty of warning and details about what God has planned for our future.

More shameful are the false prophets warning of a coming end of days or a soon return of Christ and soon outpouring of the day of the Lord don’t you agree?

There is no such person as a 'false Messiah' prophesied to come in the end times. There will be a powerful and charismatic leader who will take over the One World Govt. He will declare, or anoint himself to be God, in the new Temple. 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27

Hi Keras how’s it going man? hope your doing well ….

I have a new scenario for you so tell me what you think ..

but first Jesus mentions false prophets and false messiahs coming to the Jews and He even tells the Jews when they say Here is Messiah and Behold Messiah is there or He is in the wilderness or Messiah is in the secret place ….Jesus warns
“DO NOT GO AFTER THEM!”

This is a sign that the day of the Lord is at hand for the real Jesus comes to end the false prophets and false messiahs reign

Maybe some will view him as a messiah, but that is not how he is referred to in Revelation. His reign will last for just 1260 days.

That’s because the false messiahs and false prophets come before the man of sin and son of perdition who revelation describes ….iow the false messianic age comes before the person(s) described in Revelation

So I see the cell phone towers littered with high tech devices disguised as 5g but most likely they are LRAD and ADS systems put in statistic places . Why you may ask? To create the biggest hoax man has ever witness

They are going to create a false flag
They are going to deceive that the day of the Lord has come or end of days has come …

Why? To create the messianic age

See it’s an elite battle between Christianity and Judaism and Judaism is going to come out on top and Christianity which was false doctrine all along will be blamed for the chaos that elites have created on a global scale … sounds impossible doesn’t it? ….It’s not …

 

[dfw69]

Hopefully it will not be built. Already there are many deluded Christians.

It will be built to enter the messianic age .. so that Jews may continue to walk in their faith ..The Jews believe their messiah is already here .. Some say it may be the Yanuka but certain things must take place for him to be anointed as the promised son of David .