The Temple and the Sacrifices.

[Marilyn C]

You are expecting a third physical temple? A physical sacrifice with animals again? Ha.

Perhaps you better tell the people of Israel.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Perhaps you better tell the people of Israel.

Tell them what? Show them the Gospel about the salvation of Christ so some of them will join the covenant of Israel along with the Gentiles, right now! Have you? Not funding national Israel and encouraging them to start building a physical third temple so, you can escape from the tribulation in the rapture. Silly. You got the wrong Temple, wrong sacrifice, wrong Israel, Marilyn!

 

[Marilyn C]

Tell them what? Show them the Gospel about the salvation of Christ so some of them will join the covenant of Israel along with the Gentiles, right now! Have you? Not funding national Israel and encouraging them to start building a physical third temple so, you can escape from the tribulation in the rapture. Silly. You got the wrong Temple, wrong sacrifice, wrong Israel, Marilyn!

Sorry you don`t see that Israel will do what Israel wants, and not look to you for direction.

 

[Marilyn C]

There has to be a temple present on the temple mount, in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled...

2Thessalnonians2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

and this one....

Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, andby him the daily sacrifice was taken away,and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

and this one...

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the weekhe shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The temple will be made desolate of worship of the One True God.

and this one, the temple mount, the holy place...

Matthew 24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

So, all in all, the Dome of the Rock (which the Mulsims intentionally built right over the sanctuary building of the two previous Jewish temples) right after Gog/Magog will be torn down to make way for the Jews to build their next temple, downsized initially to get the animal sacrifices going again as quickly as possible.

Hi Douggg,

Now if you look at the picture of the inside of the King George Street Temple in Jerusalem you will see that the `holy Place` is visible by the congregation. That is where the A/C will set up the A/D.

And that would not be possible in the Temple they will build in the millennium. For the Holy Place will be private and the general population cannot go there. Remember they put a curtain between the two inner rooms and only the priests can go is and the High Priest once a year.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Sorry you don`t see that Israel will do what Israel wants, and not look to you for direction.

nor look to God for direction. Go and preach gospel to them, Marilyn

 

[Marilyn C]

nor look to God for direction. Go and preach gospel to them, Marilyn

If the Lord told me too, however He hasn`t. There are others there whom God has told to do that job.

 

[TribulationSigns]

If the Lord told me too, however He hasn`t. There are others there whom God has told to do that job.

Thinking it is someone else's job while you are promoting the false doctrine of Dispensationalism from the comfort of your home? We will see about that on judgment day.

 

[Marilyn C]

Thinking it is someone else's job while you are promoting the false doctrine of Dispensationalism from the comfort of your home? We will see about that on judgment day.

I`m not a dispensationalist. I see though that God has great purposes in Christ for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and the nations.

The Lord by His Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul told us -

`Give no offense, either to the Jew or to the Greeks (nations) or to the church of God.` (1 Cor. 10: 32)

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

Now if you look at the picture of the inside of the King George Street Temple in Jerusalem you will see that the `holy Place` is visible by the congregation. That is where the A/C will set up the A/D.

And that would not be possible in the Temple they will build in the millennium. For the Holy Place will be private and the general population cannot go there. Remember they put a curtain between the two inner rooms and only the priests can go is and the High Priest once a year.

Hi Marilyn,

Don't you think if the Jews thought it was in keeping with the Torah, that they would have been offering animal sacrifices in the King George Street Synagogue already ?

On the point of not being able to see the Antichrist commit the transgression of desolation because it is in the sanctuary building - that would be of no hinderance because he will be violating all of the rules anyway. He will just go in there with a camera crew and televise the whole thing.

 

[Douggg]

You are right, however do people prefer to be castigated by me or by God, when they stand before His in Judgment?

Well, what I was talking about is I have been noticing on the forum too much induendo going around in the posts. One of which, I think there should be a forum rule against is the induendo - (fill in the blank) then you are calling Jesus a liar.

Let's all make an effort to clean up our act.

 

[keras]

Many of the Scriptures that I point out and explain, will conflict with some traditional doctrines and theology. Because of the seriousness of these issues and the probable direct consequences these events will have on you and your family, each reader must draw their own conclusions. Read the prophecies that describe future happenings, carefully comparing the different interpretations as given by various Bible scholars. But, the only real test of truth is God’s infallible Word, read literally (excepting the obvious allegories) From what I have read, most writers on end times subjects, simply ignore a lot of scripture, especially in the Old Testament, and my experience is; that when asked about this, they just do not reply.

Actually, disbelief and being ignored is what I expect when I point out the prophetic scriptures. After all, that was the general reaction to the prophets themselves. I will continue my task of trying to bring understanding to you and whoever cares to listen.

As Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 33:7, it was his job to warn people, so if they refuse to listen, just can’t see it, don’t want to know, doesn’t suit their preconceived notions, or simply do not care – that is their concern, but I will not be responsible and will have saved myself.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom prophesied. See this, you scoffers, marvel and begone, for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed that you will never believe when you are told of it.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn,

Don't you think if the Jews thought it was in keeping with the Torah, that they would have been offering animal sacrifices in the King George Street Synagogue already ?

On the point of not being able to see the Antichrist commit the transgression of desolation because it is in the sanctuary building - that would be of no hinderance because he will be violating all of the rules anyway. He will just go in there with a camera crew and televise the whole thing.

Hi Douggg,

I don`t think so as the animal sacrifices were done outside the holy place.

That is a good point about the A/C getting the A/D televised.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

I don`t think so as the animal sacrifices were done outside the holy place.

That is a good point about the A/C getting the A/D televised.

....uh, ToD not A/D.

The ToD, transgression of desolation act will be the 2Thesslaonians2:3-4 act of him going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Go to my post #7, in this thread, as I walk through the 7 year timeline chart. I explain the significance of "transgressed" in Daniel prayer, and why later the transgession of desolation is so-named..

The 7 years chart walk through

Here is my "critical path" timeline chart of the 7 years. I made the chart back in July 23, 2020, three years ago. The term "critical path" is an engineering term for when they plan a project from start to finish. It has the necessary steps, in sequence order, that have to be achieved...

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And in the same thread, my post #10 - the transgression of desolation. What it transgresses... the Mt. Sinai covenant, and why.

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The AoD, abomination of desolation will be the great statue image made of the person, after he become the beast-king. It will be placed on the temple mount - considered a holy place - out in the open where all can easily see it.

In that same thread, the abomination of desolation is addressed in my post #14.

 

[Marilyn C]

....uh, ToD not A/D.

The ToD, transgression of desolation act will be the 2Thesslaonians2:3-4 act of him going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Go to my post #7, in this thread, as I walk through the 7 year timeline chart. I explain the significance of "transgressed" in Daniel prayer, and why later the transgession of desolation is so-named..

The 7 years chart walk through

Here is my "critical path" timeline chart of the 7 years. I made the chart back in July 23, 2020, three years ago. The term "critical path" is an engineering term for when they plan a project from start to finish. It has the necessary steps, in sequence order, that have to be achieved...

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And in the same thread, my post #10 - the transgression of desolation. What it transgresses... the Mt. Sinai covenant, and why.

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The AoD, abomination of desolation will be the great statue image made of the person, after he become the beast-king. It will be placed on the temple mount - considered a holy place - out in the open where all can easily see it.

In that same thread, the abomination of desolation is addressed in my post #14.

Thanks for your view. I do hear what you say about the two, but inclined to see the ToD and A/D as when the A/C defiles the sanctuary.

As for the image of the A/C is doesn`t specifically say where that will be.

 

[Douggg]

As for the image of the A/C is doesn`t specifically say where that will be.

Hi Marilyn, at Jesus's return in Revelation 19, and in Revelation 20 - an angel descends from heaven, with the key to the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand. The angel binds up Satan and casts into the bottomless pit.

Where do you think Satan will be at that particular moment in time, when he gets bound into chains ?

In Ezekiel 28:16-19, it gives the ending account of Satan, to be a terror no more. He has to be viewed by the Kings of the earth when it happens.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Marilyn, I took those verses and made my graphic of that day, and why the abomination of desolation statue image will be out in the open on the temple mount. Satan will have to be exposed to the kings of the earth on that day, as they moved all of their armies into Jerusalem surrounding the temple mount.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, at Jesus's return in Revelation 19, and in Revelation 20 - an angel descends from heaven, with the key to the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand. The angel binds up Satan and casts into the bottomless pit.

Where do you think Satan will be at that particular moment in time, when he gets bound into chains ?

In Ezekiel 28:16-19, it gives the ending account of Satan, to be a terror no more. He has to be viewed by the Kings of the earth when it happens.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Marilyn, I took those verses and made my graphic of that day, and why the abomination of desolation statue image will be out in the open on the temple mount. Satan will have to be exposed to the kings of the earth on that day, as they moved all of their armies into Jerusalem surrounding the temple mount.


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Good graphic there Douggg,

And yes Ezekiel gives a good account of the descent of Lucifer/Satan in authority and place.

 

[RandyPNW]

I see no value in a restoration of Jewish temple worship, and do not recognize any relationship with biblical prophecy. In the last days Israel will come under judgment just like any other nation. In fact, the whole world is going to be judged at the coming of Christ.

So whatever man does, in false religions or in outdated religions like Judaism, it will be judged at the coming of Christ, and will have its place taken away in the presence of the Kingdom of God.

People have tried to rebuild Babylon. And they actually succeeded in rebuilding Jericho. But these things come at great cost, without any substantial value. It would be better if they didn't happen.

We have a new priesthood, the priesthood of Christ. And we have a new temple, the temple of Christ. The sacrifices were fulfilled at the Cross. Life now comes by the gift of Christ, rather than by service to outmoded foreshadowings of what Christ did to atone for our sins.

Everything under the Law showed our ineptitude in matters of obtaining Eternal Life. There is no sense in going back to the Law, which never could obtain anything more than a temporary approval from God. It would actually offend God now, since it circumvents what it was meant to lead to, Christ and his righteousness.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Good graphic there Douggg,

Graphic or not, his interpretation is false:

Satan has already been cast into a bottomless Pit by Christ at the Cross. And will come out when the church finished her 1,260 days of testimony when all Elect are secured (saved).

Satan revealed through his false prophets and christ. Not a statue.

Zechariah 14 is not about the second coming but the first. Mount of Olive represent the kingdom of Old Testament congregation. Splitting the mount into half signifies the judgment and fall of Old Testament congregation and made the way for the remanent of Jews to escape into the New Testament congregation to observe the feast of tabernacles which represents the whole new testament period. Read the article here.

The beast and the false prophet are not two merely men that will be thrown into Lake of Fire. They are the bodies making up all unsaved people of the world and the unsaved people of the unfaithful congregation who will be thrown into lake of fire where Satan will be. That will the end of it.

And yes Ezekiel gives a good account of the descent of Lucifer/Satan in authority and place.

Many people have no idea who Lucifer really is. It's not Satan.

 

[keras]

I see no value in a restoration of Jewish temple worship

Well, for starters - the new Temple will not be Jewish. The Christian peoples; the Israelites of God will build it, As prophesied in Ezekiel 40-46, Zechariah 6:15

But God does see value in our worship of Him in a Temple:
Isaiah 56:1-2 These are the words of the Lord; Maintain justice and do what is right, for My deliverance is close at hand and My victory will soon be revealed. Happy is the person who follows these precepts and holds fast to them, who keeps the Sabbaths unprofained and his hand from all wrongdoing.

Isaiah 56:3-5 The foreigner who has given his allegiance to the Lord must not say; The Lord will exclude me from His people. The eunuch must not say: I am naught but a barren tree. The eunuch’s who keep My Sabbaths and choose to do My will, holding fast to the covenant, will receive from Me something better than children – a memorial and a name within My Temple. I shall give them everlasting renown.

Isaiah 56:6-7 So too, with the foreigners who give their allegiance to Me, to minister to Me and love My name and become My servants. All who keep My Sabbaths holy and hold fast to My covenant; these I shall bring to My holy Mountain and give them joy in My House of prayer. Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar, for My House will be called a House of prayer for all nations.

Isaiah 56:8 This is the word of the Lord, who gathers those driven out of Israel; I shall add to those who have already been gathered. John 10:16, Romans 9:24-26
Reference: REB some verses abridged.

This Bible passage, written by the prophet Isaiah, gives a wonderful promise to every person – regardless of race, colour or gender. The promise of the Lord, to give them; “Joy in My House of prayer”

In verse 8, it shows that this will happen after all the faithful Christians, [the real Israelites of God] have gathered into the Land. Ezekiel 20:34-35, Jeremiah 30:10 They will be divided into 12 groups, into the 12 ‘tribes’ of Israel.

Also as in verse 7, the Temple will be built by them.

Isaiah 66:18-21...I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue. They will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and will send them to preach the Gospel to all the peoples that have not heard of Me. The 144,000 Revelation 7:3-8 & 14:1-7

From every nation and by every means, My righteous people will come to My Holy mountain, Jerusalem, just as in ancient days, the Israelites brought their offerings to Me. Some of them, I shall take to be priests and Temple Levites. Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:5

Some of these; are the 144,000; 12,000 from each tribe, everyone assigned to one of the 12 tribes, as mentioned in Revelation 7 & 14 This all must occur before the Return of Jesus. 2 Thess. 1:10…He reveals His glory among His own… Revelation 14:1

Randy; these scriptures are irrefutable and from the NT, in 2 Thess 2:4 is the NT proof of a Temple in Jerusalem during the last days.
Is it possible for you and the other Temple deniers to change your beliefs?

 

[RandyPNW]

Well, for starters - the new Temple will not be Jewish. The Christian peoples; the Israelites of God will build it, As prophesied in Ezekiel 40-46, Zechariah 6:15

But God does see value in our worship of Him in a Temple:
Isaiah 56:1-2 These are the words of the Lord; Maintain justice and do what is right, for My deliverance is close at hand and My victory will soon be revealed. Happy is the person who follows these precepts and holds fast to them, who keeps the Sabbaths unprofained and his hand from all wrongdoing.

Isaiah 56:3-5 The foreigner who has given his allegiance to the Lord must not say; The Lord will exclude me from His people. The eunuch must not say: I am naught but a barren tree. The eunuch’s who keep My Sabbaths and choose to do My will, holding fast to the covenant, will receive from Me something better than children – a memorial and a name within My Temple. I shall give them everlasting renown.

Isaiah 56:6-7 So too, with the foreigners who give their allegiance to Me, to minister to Me and love My name and become My servants. All who keep My Sabbaths holy and hold fast to My covenant; these I shall bring to My holy Mountain and give them joy in My House of prayer. Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar, for My House will be called a House of prayer for all nations.

Isaiah 56:8 This is the word of the Lord, who gathers those driven out of Israel; I shall add to those who have already been gathered. John 10:16, Romans 9:24-26
Reference: REB some verses abridged.

This Bible passage, written by the prophet Isaiah, gives a wonderful promise to every person – regardless of race, colour or gender. The promise of the Lord, to give them; “Joy in My House of prayer”

In verse 8, it shows that this will happen after all the faithful Christians, [the real Israelites of God] have gathered into the Land. Ezekiel 20:34-35, Jeremiah 30:10 They will be divided into 12 groups, into the 12 ‘tribes’ of Israel.

Also as in verse 7, the Temple will be built by them.

Isaiah 66:18-21...I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue. They will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and will send them to preach the Gospel to all the peoples that have not heard of Me. The 144,000 Revelation 7:3-8 & 14:1-7

From every nation and by every means, My righteous people will come to My Holy mountain, Jerusalem, just as in ancient days, the Israelites brought their offerings to Me. Some of them, I shall take to be priests and Temple Levites. Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:5

Some of these; are the 144,000; 12,000 from each tribe, everyone assigned to one of the 12 tribes, as mentioned in Revelation 7 & 14 This all must occur before the Return of Jesus. 2 Thess. 1:10…He reveals His glory among His own… Revelation 14:1

Randy; these scriptures are irrefutable and from the NT, in 2 Thess 2:4 is the NT proof of a Temple in Jerusalem during the last days.
Is it possible for you and the other Temple deniers to change your beliefs?

I've been on record for a long time, brother, about my lack of certainty about 2 Thes 2.4 and the temple of Antichrist. My preferred view is that the "temple" is not literal, in view of the fact Jesus said it would be destroyed or obliterated. There is no mention of its restoration, even though many pages of the Bible were dedicated to the restoration of the temple following the Babylonian disaster.

So I tend to believe that the language of the temple is being used by Paul to indicate that Antichrist deifies himself. The temple is a metaphor of Antichrist's self-deification.

Some of the passages you quoted had to do with OT fulfillment or at best, use of an OT symbol to convey NT truths. As I said, OT imagery and worship is gone forever. So says the book of Hebrews and many of Paul's writings.

I'll go a step further. Where is your focus on the most important theological element in all of this eschatology? Where is your emphasis on Christ himself? If all you're interested in is in getting certain facts right and in describing where the Church will go at Christ's Coming, and in whether there will be a physical temple in Jerusalem, you show a terrible lack of balance in the main idea of Scripture Prophecy.

Our purpose is to preach Christ, and not spend an undue amount of time arguing temples and places and who believes what specific happens at specific times. The purpose of the Bible is evangelical, to bring us into close relationship with the Savior. Keep that up front, and some of your concerns will be diminished.