When will be the great tribulation and the rapture?

[tonychanyt]

See Great tribulation, then rapture and follow up there.

 

[d taylor]

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...The rapture (taking away of believers) takes place first and then with the signing of the 7 year treaty/covenant, the tribulation will start.

...Now what may be confusing is that just because a person is a member of a church or identifies as a christian does not mean they will be taken away. The rapture is the taking away of people who have believed in Jesus for Eternal Life and are a born again child of God. It has nothing to do with being a church member, etc... So if a person who is a church member, but not a born again believer, they will not be taken.

 

[tonychanyt]

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...The rapture (taking away of believers) takes place first and then with the signing of the 7 year treaty/covenant, the tribulation will start.

verse?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Matthew 24:

Christians will experience the great tribulation.

How long will the great tribulation last?

I don't know exactly but it is counted in days and not years.

If you were in the early stages of tribulation, would you know it?

Only with hindsight:

One can even include possible redeemable people on other planets.

More detail of the 2nd coming is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:


John 6:


Revelation 1:


John 5:


2 Peter 3:


The following seems to be the chronological order of events:

1. The great tribulation
2. 2nd coming of Christ on the clouds on the last day
3. The dead in Christ resurrected
4. Live believers caught up (rapture).
5. The wicked resurrected for judgment
6. End of physical days, space-time dimensions changed
7. New heavens and new earth established.

As for the millennium reign, I assume it is only symbolic and not literal.

Full disclosure, I am a Partial Preterist and believe the Book of Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

After much research on the phrase , " the great tribulation " it appears nowhere in scripture and if you compare the one place it does appear in Revelation, the GIB does not include the word " the", not sure why.

To me there seems to be a difference in understanding when using "great tribulation" vs "the great tribulation". The term "great tribulation" is used in a general sense to refer to any time of great suffering or persecution. We know that much tribulation and persecution was laid upon Christians and Jews in the first century so we can not reserve a specific time or event far in the future.
The term "the great tribulation" is used in a more specific sense to refer to a specific period of time which I believe promotes a Dispensational view as in a 3 year future period claimed .

I agree the 1000 year reign is symbolic.
And "the last day" will come in " a twinkle of an eye".

Blessings.

 

[tonychanyt]

After much research on the phrase , " the great tribulation " it appears nowhere in scripture

Matthew 24:
21 For then there will be great tribulation

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Matthew 24:
21 For then there will be great tribulation

There is no "the".

 

[tonychanyt]

There is no "the".

Jesus mentioned it the first time there. There is no need for the definite article.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Jesus mentioned it the first time there. There is no need for the definite article.

I respectfully disagree. Thanks for engaging!
Be blessed.

 

[tonychanyt]

I respectfully disagree. Thanks for engaging!
Be blessed.

Are you saying that even when Jesus mentioned "great tribulation" for the first time, he had to use the definite article?

 

[d taylor]

verse?

There is no single verse that states what i wrote.

The taking away

“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Daniel 9:27. He (the King of the north/man of sin/beast from the sea) signs a covenant for seven years with the nation of Israel. This is the event that inaugurates the Tribulation period

He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

 

[tonychanyt]

There is no single verse that states what i wrote.

The taking away

“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Daniel 9:27. He (the King of the north/man of sin/beast from the sea) signs a covenant for seven years with the nation of Israel. This is the event that inaugurates the Tribulation period

He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

In a case like this, I keep track of different interpretations and weigh each. So far, I don't really have any single interpretation that I am confident about.

 

[Blade]

verse?

Hey my brother one could say the same thing for what you posted. Well where's the verse saying Caught up happens after "the" great tribulation? There is none. Those who are known and have studied this for many decades.. well like one said "I am post BUT if Jesus comes pre trib I am ready now". Very wise

Sis is right there is not "the" great tribulation but for me that matters not since He makes it clear "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.". So for me when I say "the" that is what I mean.

 

[tonychanyt]

Hey my brother one could say the same thing for what you posted. Well where's the verse saying Caught up happens after "the" great tribulation? There is none.

Sure, I welcome your opinion

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Are you saying that even when Jesus mentioned "great tribulation" for the first time, he had to use the definite article?

No the opposite. He did not use it which means it is not an isolated incident but rather, persecution is being described as a whole over generations and more specifically the pinnacle event 70AD. I am basically saying it is not a one time event in the far future.

 

[tonychanyt]

No the opposite. He did not use it which means it is not an isolated incident but rather, persecution is being described as a whole over generations and more specifically the pinnacle event 70AD. I am basically saying it is not a one time event in the far future.

Right. That's how I read it also. It does not preclude THE great tribulation either.

 

[David Kent]

When will it be? In God's time.

 

[Diamond72]

How long will the great tribulation last?

The tribulation is seven years between the Church age and the Kingdom age.
Apophis has a seven year orbit and passes the earth on resurrection sunday.

Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.
On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

 

[Diamond72]

When will it be? In God's time.

First, we have to figure out when Pentecost was. We are very close to the 2,000 years after Pentecost.

 

[David Kent]

The tribulation is seven years between the Church age and the Kingdom age.
Apophis has a seven year orbit and passes the earth on resurrection sunday.

Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.
On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

Resurrection Sunday as you call it, is a Catholic festival. We should celebrate it on the actual day, which changes every year. Christ is our Passover, not our Easter which is celebrating a pagan goddess, so it matters not what Apophis is.

 

[tonychanyt]

Resurrection Sunday as you call it, is a Catholic festival.

Is Resurrection Sunday mentioned in the Bible?