Not sure they treated Jesus badly

[Tjufsen]

I`ve come to some, realisation, about Jesus below:

1. the movie, The Passion of The Christ, were, way too violent to be true,

2. the tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem, had no blood-stains, only, a carved cross, I find it a little difficult that there`s no blood-stains after him, when he was treated so badly on the cross, nails through limbs, and poking in chest with a spear, and so fourth, I`m talking about the tomb in the church, they, openened, it to do maintenance on the building,

3. people were poor, and had no tools to pry off the nails in Jesus`s limbs, which also is difficult when limbs are in the way, the, nails would have been deep into the wood also to be able to hang up a person,

4. he was a little crazy, because he said he was son of a higher being, so I don`t think, people would treat a mildly, crazy person, that bad,

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

- what do you think, I`m onto something?

 

[d taylor]

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Jesus was physically beaten worse than what is shown in the movie Passion of Christ. So much so, that Jesus the physical human being, was not recognizable as a human person.

 

[Tjufsen]

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Jesus was physically beaten worse than what is shown in the movie Passion of Christ. So much so that Jesus the physical human being was not recognizable as a human person.

Why were there no, blood-stains, in his, tomb, then?

 

[sandman]

This depiction is much closer to truth .... based on the biblical timeline of torture and beatings that Jesus went through and what was used against Him.

 

[Tjufsen]

This depiction is much closer to truth .... based on the biblical timeline of torture and beatings that Jesus went through and what was used against Him.

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Yes, but why wasn`t there any blood-stains in his tomb, and you think people can do this without finding it too nasty and puking from it, and all just because Romans found him a little treatening, to what, their jobs?

 

[d taylor]

Why were there no, blood-stains, in his, tomb, then?

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No one knows where the actual tomb was. So it can not be determined if there was blood in the tomb or not.

 

[PloverWing]

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

The Romans were not against violence. Regardless of what you think about Jesus, crucifixion was one of Rome's ways of executing its criminals. (See, for example, Rare Physical Evidence of Roman Crucifixion Found in Britain , Crucifixion | Description, History, Punishment, & Jesus , The history and pathology of crucifixion - PubMed ).

According to the gospel accounts, Jesus was seen by Rome as "the king of the Jews" -- that is, a person who might lead a Jewish uprising against the Empire, and who thus was seen as a political threat to the Empire's stability. Crucifixion would have been an attention-getting way of saying to the inhabitants of Palestine: "The same will happen to you if you try to revolt against the Empire."

 

[BNR32FAN]

I`ve come to some, realisation, about Jesus below:

1. the movie, The Passion of The Christ, were, way too violent to be true,

2. the tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem, had no blood-stains, only, a carved cross, I find it a little difficult that there`s no blood-stains after him, when he was treated so badly on the cross, nails through limbs, and poking in chest with a spear, and so fourth, I`m talking about the tomb in the church, they, openened, it to do maintenance on the building,

3. people were poor, and had no tools to pry off the nails in Jesus`s limbs, which also is difficult when limbs are in the way, the, nails would have been deep into the wood also to be able to hang up a person,

4. he was a little crazy, because he said he was son of a higher being, so I don`t think, people would treat a mildly, crazy person, that bad,

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

- what do you think, I`m onto something?

Jesus was nailed to the cross for about 6 hours with stakes thru both hands & feet then stabbed in his abdomen with a spear. I doubt he had much blood left in him by the time he reached the tomb. Also He was wrapped in bandages.

The Romans weren’t poor and could’ve had tools to remove the steaks. They also could’ve used a spike to drive the nails out from the back side. The Romans were quite intelligent by that time, I’m sure they possessed the technology to pull a nail out of wood.

Jesus didn’t act like a crazy person, he acted complete normal. He just went around provoking the Pharisees to the point that they wanted to kill Him. Furthermore because He claimed to be equal to God, that alone carried the death penalty in the Mosaic law.

As for acting, the word hypocrites or hupokritēs in Greek was actually used in reference to actors back then. That’s why Jesus often referred to false professors as hypocrites because they were pretending to be righteous when they were really not. So apparently they did have actors.

 

[Clare73]

I`ve come to some, realisation, about Jesus below:

1. the movie, The Passion of The Christ, were, way too violent to be true,

2. the tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem, had no blood-stains, only, a carved cross, I find it a little difficult that there`s no blood-stains after him,

Don't know much about Jewish body preparation for burial, do you?

must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt,

The Jews understood him to be claiming to be God, which was a direct threat to Caesar who said he was god.

Not too historically informed, are you?

You're embarassing yourself.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Don't know much about Jewish body preparation for burial, do you?

The Jews understood him to be claiming to be God, which was a direct threat to Caesar who said he was god.

Not too historically informed, are you?

You're embarassing yourself.

I think that’s a bit harsh of a reply, he may be new to Christianity and in the process of learning. We’ve all been there.

 

[Clare73]

I think that’s a bit harsh of a reply, he may be new to Christianity and in the process of learning. We’ve all been there.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that is not the language of a seeker.

 

[Blade]

I`ve come to some, realisation, about Jesus below:

1. the movie, The Passion of The Christ, were, way too violent to be true,

2. the tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem, had no blood-stains, only, a carved cross, I find it a little difficult that there`s no blood-stains after him, when he was treated so badly on the cross, nails through limbs, and poking in chest with a spear, and so fourth, I`m talking about the tomb in the church, they, openened, it to do maintenance on the building,

3. people were poor, and had no tools to pry off the nails in Jesus`s limbs, which also is difficult when limbs are in the way, the, nails would have been deep into the wood also to be able to hang up a person,

4. he was a little crazy, because he said he was son of a higher being, so I don`t think, people would treat a mildly, crazy person, that bad,

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

- what do you think, I`m onto something?

If you could just ask them about that movie and what they never could show. Yeah.. that does not even begin to touch what happen to Him. Then remember who He was before this.. Him and the Father ONE...to then for the 1st time ever "My God my God why have you forsaken me". He was alone and then the spiritual side.. no one knows the price for taking every sin of every person that was or will be.

 

[d taylor]

Don't know much about Jewish body preparation for burial, do you?

The Jews understood him to be claiming to be God, which was a direct threat to Caesar who said he was god.

Not too historically informed, are you?

You're embarassing yourself.

Well lets be rude to unbelievers and really be a bad representative of Jesus to them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that is not the language of a seeker.

Perhaps he was just contemplating and wanted to share. He just joined CF last February.

 

[BobRyan]

I`ve come to some, realisation, about Jesus below:

1. the movie, The Passion of The Christ, were, way too violent to be true,

2. the tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem, had no blood-stains, only, a carved cross, I find it a little difficult that there`s no blood-stains after him, when he was treated so badly on the cross, nails through limbs, and poking in chest with a spear, and so fourth, I`m talking about the tomb in the church, they, openened, it to do maintenance on the building,

3. people were poor, and had no tools to pry off the nails in Jesus`s limbs, which also is difficult when limbs are in the way, the, nails would have been deep into the wood also to be able to hang up a person,

4. he was a little crazy, because he said he was son of a higher being, so I don`t think, people would treat a mildly, crazy person, that bad,

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

- what do you think, I`m onto something?

1. Those were spikes not simple nails.
2. His own people reported the horrific treatment He got - they were eye witnesses - you are watching a movie by comparison
3. The body was prepared before going into the tomb - as the historic account shows. so they did not drag a bleeding body into the tomb.
4. The history of Rome is well documented, crucifixion was a horrific maximum penalty that even the Romans viewed as "max violence" -- so then 2000 years later you watch a movie drama and add "not so much" -- as if historians, actual history is easy to set aside.
5. The Gospel eye-witness accounts tell us that the Romans in charge did not think Jesus was deserving of death, but that the Roman governor was corrupt so when the Jews said that any friend of Jesus was not a friend of Ceasar - Pilate was being personally threatened. Pilate was already in some degree of hot water with his superior in Rome and could not afford to have more bad news sent to Rome.
6. Your idea that Rome was opposed to violence is not supported by any reputable historian known to mankind.
7. IN the eye witnesses accounts (free online for anyone with interest to read the 4 gospels) tell us that Jesus is questioned by the Roman governor - Pilate , who asks Jesus "are you a king?" -- In other words Pilate wanted to know if Jesus was amassing a kingdom a following intent on overthrowing Roman rule. Jesus said "my kingdom is NOT of this world, IF it were then would my servants fight so that I should not be taken prisoner". Pilate knew full well that Jesus put up no resistance and was taken prisoner without resort to force or a mob in Christ's favor.

 

[BNR32FAN]

1. Those were spikes not simple nails.
2. His own people reported the horrific treatment He got - they were eye witnesses - you are watching a movie by comparison
3. The body was prepared before going into the tomb - as the historic account shows. so they did not drag a bleeding body into the tomb.
4. The history of Rome is well documented, crucifixion was a horrific maximum penalty that even the Romans viewed as "max violence" -- so then 2000 years later you watch a movie drama and add "not so much" -- as if historians, actual history is easy to set aside.
5. The Gospel eye-witness accounts tell us that the Romans in charge did not think Jesus was deserving of death, but that the Roman governor was corrupt so when the Jews said that any friend of Jesus was not a friend of Ceasar - Pilate was being personally threatened. Pilate was already in some degree of hot water with his superior in Rome and could not afford to have more bad news sent to Rome.
6. Your idea that Rome was opposed to violence is not supported by any reputable historian known to mankind.
7. IN the eye witnesses accounts (free online for anyone with interest to read the 4 gospels) tell us that Jesus is questioned by the Roman governor - Pilate , who asks Jesus "are you a king?" -- In other words Pilate wanted to know if Jesus was amassing a kingdom a following intent on overthrowing Roman rule. Jesus said "my kingdom is NOT of this world, IF it were then would my servants fight so that I should not be taken prisoner". Pilate knew full well that Jesus put up no resistance and was taken prisoner without resort to force or a mob in Christ's favor.

I would also add that Pilate didn’t want to crucify Jesus. First he sent Jesus to Herod to deal with Him. Herod didn’t find Jesus guilty of the accusations against Jesus and neither did Pilate. Pilate had Jesus flogged then brought Him before the people trying to get Him released but the people said “no, away with this man, release Barabbas.” Pilate again tried to release Jesus but the crowd said “crucify Him”. Pilate said he had found no guilt in this man and the crowd still insisted that Jesus be crucified. So Pilate granted their request. Pilate tried several times to release Jesus and it seems so strange that such a huge crowd who were shouting Hosanna Hosanna, what a day or two before this had now changed to crucify Him? The Jews were very strange people.

 

[Clare73]

Perhaps he was just contemplating and wanted to share. He just joined CF last February.

Okay, I agree, he may just be using language from contra-gospel material that he has read.

Sorry, guys. . .carry on in your good work.

 

[eleos1954]

I`ve come to some, realisation, about Jesus below:

1. the movie, The Passion of The Christ, were, way too violent to be true,

2. the tomb of Jesus, in Jerusalem, had no blood-stains, only, a carved cross, I find it a little difficult that there`s no blood-stains after him, when he was treated so badly on the cross, nails through limbs, and poking in chest with a spear, and so fourth, I`m talking about the tomb in the church, they, openened, it to do maintenance on the building,

3. people were poor, and had no tools to pry off the nails in Jesus`s limbs, which also is difficult when limbs are in the way, the, nails would have been deep into the wood also to be able to hang up a person,

4. he was a little crazy, because he said he was son of a higher being, so I don`t think, people would treat a mildly, crazy person, that bad,

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

- what do you think, I`m onto something?

Assumptions

 

[Petros2015]

5. the Romans at the time, didn`t like singing or acting, so I think they were a little against violence also, there must have been some provocation from him Jesus himself, which I doubt, if, he really was that kind,

- what do you think, I`m onto something?

I think you are on something lol.

6. Your idea that Rome was opposed to violence is not supported by any reputable historian known to mankind.

That sums things up pretty well.

Why were there no, blood-stains, in his, tomb, then?

His body was likely cleaned and wrapped in linen before being placed in the tomb by Joseph of Arimathea prior to Jospeh's journey to the Castle of Aughhhh. This is referenced in the Gospel of John and Monty Python.

38 Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away. 39 He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.[e] 40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41 At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42 Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

... so I think they were a little against violence also...

That is about the strangest thing I have heard.