LGBTQ hijack of Rainbow in opposition to "Proud to be Delivered"?

[JacksBratt]

The secret word is PRACTICE.. I KNOW YOU GET MY POINT AND GOD GETS THAT YOU'RE IN DENIAL. The more words you use the more your argument loses strength.

I agree. A homosexual who regularly and continually has relations with the same sex.... would be hard pressed to convince me that they are a Christian.

However, there are people who regularly and continually repeat the same sin... and are considered to be solid Christians.

Why don't we hold these people to the same barometer of sin?

Homosexuality is held to be so abhorrent... while our petty sins are just as sinful in the eyes of God and we give a pass.

 

[Aldebaran]

I agree. A homosexual who regularly and continually has relations with the same sex.... would be hard pressed to convince me that they are a Christian.

However, there are people who regularly and continually repeat the same sin... and are considered to be solid Christians.

Why don't we hold these people to the same barometer of sin?

Homosexuality is held to be so abhorrent... while our petty sins are just as sinful in the eyes of God and we give a pass.

When Christians are holding pride parades to celebrate those petty sins, and demanding that the people who commit them get to teach children in school about them and how those sins are normal, but are to be celebrated, then you may have a point. However, that's not what Christians are doing.

 

[FireDragon76]

You can look at it that way... However, the Bible doesn't hold "left handedness" with the same regard as being gay.

You can hold to your own "truth" in that regard... or the truth of God's word.

It's a question of hermeneutics.

 

[returntosender]

If they practice their sin they are not repentant. Do you get it yet?

 

[BNR32FAN]

If Christians aren't calling out the "Pride" people for using it... Who is?

Did you read the OP?

 

[hedrick]

The article quoted talks about a suit for misusing the rainbow. But the article points to a Glaad site that talks about a protest against the policies of the churches, and says nothing about a suit or objections to use of the rainbow. Is there any evidence of an actual suit?

 

[JacksBratt]

If they practice their sin they are not repentant. Do you get it yet?

Do you get it.... that humans..... practice sinning... every day and are saved Christians.

But their sins are not "homosexuality" so they dismiss it as nothing.

Here:

The Apostle Paul on Struggling With Sin Yet Still Under Grace

How does grace interact with the law of God? How do we reconcile grace and law? Two major gifts of grace are the unmerited mercy God grants us by His loving nature and His spiritual law the apostle Paul said he took “delight in” (Romans 7:22).

www.ucg.org

Paul highlighted the human struggle we experience. He knew that even those with God’s Spirit still had human nature and have to resist the selfish pulls of the flesh while seeking to obey God’s law. Paul summed up this struggle when he wrote: “I love God’s law with all my heart. But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?” (Romans 7:22-24, NLT).


He gives the answer in what immediately follows in verse 25: “Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin” (Romans 7:25, NLT). Continuing on in chapter 8 he says: “So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death” (Romans 8:1-2, NLT).

 

[Aldebaran]

Do you get it.... that humans..... practice sinning... every day and are saved Christians.

But their sins are not "homosexuality" so they dismiss it as nothing.

Here:

The Apostle Paul on Struggling With Sin Yet Still Under Grace

How does grace interact with the law of God? How do we reconcile grace and law? Two major gifts of grace are the unmerited mercy God grants us by His loving nature and His spiritual law the apostle Paul said he took “delight in” (Romans 7:22).

www.ucg.org

Paul highlighted the human struggle we experience. He knew that even those with God’s Spirit still had human nature and have to resist the selfish pulls of the flesh while seeking to obey God’s law. Paul summed up this struggle when he wrote: “I love God’s law with all my heart. But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?” (Romans 7:22-24, NLT).


He gives the answer in what immediately follows in verse 25: “Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin” (Romans 7:25, NLT). Continuing on in chapter 8 he says: “So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death” (Romans 8:1-2, NLT).

Did Paul brag about killing Stephen, or about how he persecuted any and all believers he could find by putting them in prison? Did he go into the synagogues and talk about how proud he was of who he was and the things he did, or did he spend his time trying to get people to repent and turn to Jesus?
In fact, he regarded his past accomplishments as "filthy rags" (which is what the pride flag basically is).

Paul acknowledged his sin and his sinful desires, but certainly wasn't proud of them. Otherwise he wouldn't have thanked Jesus Christ for deliverance from his body of death.

 

[JacksBratt]

Did Paul brag about killing Stephen, or about how he persecuted any and all believers he could find by putting them in prison? Did he go into the synagogues and talk about how proud he was of who he was and the things he did, or did he spend his time trying to get people to repent and turn to Jesus?
In fact, he regarded his past accomplishments as "filthy rags" (which is what the pride flag basically is).

Paul acknowledged his sin and his sinful desires, but certainly wasn't proud of them. Otherwise he wouldn't have thanked Jesus Christ for deliverance from his body of death.

I already stated that it is a humbling of the heart and determination to repent that is necessary.

I agree, anyone who is prideful of their sin... no matter what it is... and is unrepentant... would be hard pressed to convince me of their salvation.

 

[JacksBratt]

Did you read the OP?

Sorry, forgot about that... However, I still believe that Christians should be against the LGBT crowd using God's sign, for their symbol.

And, again.. if they want to be totally inclusive.. They need to have "S" in there for "Straight"..

Then we could be one big community.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry, forgot about that... However, I still believe that Christians should be against the LGBT crowd using God's sign, for their symbol.

And, again.. if they want to be totally inclusive.. They need to have "S" in there for "Straight"..

Then we could be one big community.

I think if someone wants to put a rainbow on a flag then they should be able to. Nobody owns exclusive rights to all rainbow pictures or symbols in general.

 

[oikonomia]

There are two places in Genesis where it says God personally came down to attend to a matter on earth.
I think it is significant. I do not think it is either naive or trivial.

1.) He came down to interrupt observe the collective project of a unified human race to build a tower at Babel.

And Jehovah said, Behold, they are one people, and they all have one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and now nothing which they purpose to do will be kept from them.

Come, let Us go down and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. (Gen. 11:6,7)

2.) He came down to verified that the deeds of Sodom really matched the cries of revolt ascending to heaven for God to hear.

And Jehovah said, The cry of Sodom and Gomorrah, how great it is; and their sin, how very heavy it is!
I shall go down and see whether they have done altogether according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know. (Gen. 18:20,21)

While some may regard these passages as naive I believe they hint of the descending of God in Christ at the end of this age.

In the second case, the proud declarations against God's natural order reached a fevor pitch of revolt.
That and a one world united effort make a great name for a society free from God will be two negative matters
to prompt direct intervention and judgment coming down to earth in God's direct visitation.

As for the rainbow, in another post I'd like to show how Revelation opens and (surprise) closes with a symbol of a rainbow.
The meaning of the two occurences I think is consistent with its significance in the flood of Noah, restraint in divine judgment.

 

[oikonomia]

The last book of Bible, Revelation speaks of the rainbow twice, and imo SHOWS the rainbow a third time.
The first instance I'd speak to briefly.

In chapter four the rainbow around the Creator shows God who is about to judge the world will
remember His covenant with Noah's descendents not to completely illiminate lives on earth.

Immediately I was in spirit; and behold, there was a throne set in heaven, and upon the throne there was One sitting;
And He who was sitting was like a jasper stone and a sardius in appearance, and there was a rainbow around the throne like an emerald in appearance. (Rev. 4:2,3)

This chapter is focused on God as the Creator of the universe with a purpose for it.

You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, for You have created all things, and because of Your will they were, and were created. (Rev. 4:11)

Consistent with His eternal purpose in creation He will remember restraint in His righteous judgment of the world.
The green emrald color of the rainbow may mean life, ie. the lives of creatures on earth.

The same rainbow symbol is around the head of Christ seen as "another Angel" when He comes to possess land and sea in His return.

And I saw another strong Angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon His head, and His face was like the sun, and His feet like pillars of fire;
And He had in His hand a little opened scroll. And He placed His right foot on the sea and the left on the land; (Rev. 10:1,2)

In another post I'd deal with the unspoken but visually implied rainbow at the conclusion of Revelation in chapter 21.

 

[oikonomia]

The spoken of rainbow are in Revelation 4 and 10.
The unspoken rainbow but seen is in these verses in chapter 21 about the cosummate New Jerusalem.

The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with every precious stone: the first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst. (Rev. 21:19,20)

The appearance of many colored stones adorning the wall of the New Jerusalem have the appearance of a rainbow.
They precious stones signify transformed human beings into the image of Jesus Christ.
For all who come to Christ are living stones built up into a spiritual house, a holy priesthood of believers.

You yourselves also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house into a holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (1 Pet.2:5)

Peter as the leading disciples and apostle of the twelve original disciples was a man transformed.
Christ changed his name from Simon to a stone, meaning he would be transformed to be fit for the buiding of the church.

And I also say to you that you are Peter, [stone] and upon this rock [the revelation of Christ the Son of God] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:18)

Peter took the lead among the saved to be transformed into a building stone for God's living dwelling place.
This dwelling place will consummate in the New Jerusalem.
All the believers in eternity will have been transformed to form a protective wall guarding the interests of God the Creator.

Twelve kinds of stones signals perfection in eternity - the number twelve.
The testimony of God's faithfulness in judgment of the world is seen that men and women are not only saved but "metabolically" conformed and transformed in life to the image of Christ as sons of God. (Rom 8:28, 2 Cor., 3:17,18) They form the appearance of a rainbow around the dwelling place of God in humanity in the new universe.
And in the normal church life this transformation should already be taking place.


This is brief.

 

[returntosender]

Do you get it.... that humans..... practice sinning... every day and are saved Christians.

But their sins are not "homosexuality" so they dismiss it as nothing.

Here:

The Apostle Paul on Struggling With Sin Yet Still Under Grace

How does grace interact with the law of God? How do we reconcile grace and law? Two major gifts of grace are the unmerited mercy God grants us by His loving nature and His spiritual law the apostle Paul said he took “delight in” (Romans 7:22).

www.ucg.org

Paul highlighted the human struggle we experience. He knew that even those with God’s Spirit still had human nature and have to resist the selfish pulls of the flesh while seeking to obey God’s law. Paul summed up this struggle when he wrote: “I love God’s law with all my heart. But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?” (Romans 7:22-24, NLT).


He gives the answer in what immediately follows in verse 25: “Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin” (Romans 7:25, NLT). Continuing on in chapter 8 he says: “So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death” (Romans 8:1-2, NLT).

Not so, you are in denial. Becareful in the way you go.

 

[FireDragon76]

The rainbow isn't owned by Christians. It's a symbol used in many cultures. One of the symbols of Buddhism is a rainbow flag.

Buddhist flag - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[returntosender]

It was God's word first, right?

 

[FireDragon76]

It was God's word first, right?

By that logic, it was a word given to the Jews first. But that didn't stop Christians for centuries from claiming it as their own.

All this ado about what is essentially a Mesopotamian folk tale just shows the pettiness of some homophobic Christians. If only Christians showed this kind of rigor for helping the poor or welcoming the stranger, things Jesus actually cared about.

 

[Lukaris]

All of this to do over a “ Mesopotamian folk tale” perhaps includes folk tale of a resurrection ( 1 Corinthians 15:12-16)? Why is it often characterized that preaching doctrine is divorced from general charity? Basic charity is expected of being Christian ( Matthew 6:1-4) & is a primary expression of salvation by grace ( Ephesians 2:8-10) but salvation by grace ( verses 8-9) is what will needed for the heavenly kingdom.

 

[FireDragon76]

All of this to do over a “ Mesopotamian folk tale” perhaps includes folk tale of a resurrection ( 1 Corinthians 15:12-16)? Why is it often characterized that preaching doctrine is divorced from general charity? Basic charity is expected of being Christian ( Matthew 6:1-4) & is a primary expression of salvation by grace ( Ephesians 2:8-10) but salvation by grace ( verses 8-9) is what will needed for the heavenly kingdom.

The pharisees had alot of pet doctrines, too.

The only thing Jesus expected of his followers was that they live out the kind of virtues he preached. He never expected his followers to articulate doctrines created by men.