LGBTQ hijack of Rainbow in opposition to "Proud to be Delivered"?

[FireDragon76]

If a gay Christian was seeking God, they'd be willing to put away a flag that indicates pride in their sin.

It's about pride in recognizing and valuing who you are. That's not wrong. In fact it's unjust to demean people for wanting to recognize their own self-worth.

 

[Rajni]

Personally, I think the whole emphasis on "pride" is misguided.
Something along the lines of "thankful" - especially when speaking of having been delivered - seems a better fit.
Gratitude isn't usually said to come before a fall (unless one accidentally slips or trips while expressing/feeling it ).

 

[BobRyan]

I don't understand why the traditional interpretation of the story of Noah should be a controlling narrative for how we understand symbols like rainbows.

Because God is a "higher source" than "some artist in the 70's.

This is also why we still have a seven day week.

So God claimed the "Sign"/Symbol first

Gen 9:
"8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9 “Now behold, I Myself am establishing My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you; 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the livestock, and every animal of the earth with you; of all that comes out of the ark, every animal of the earth. 11 I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be eliminated by the waters of a flood, nor shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.” 12 God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations; 13 I have set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall serve as a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth."

I guess I don't subscribe to your biblical hermeneutics.

Rejecting the Bible is of course an option many atheists take but for those of us who do not , God's Word "means something"

IMO, even ancient people did not understand those "just so" stories in such a manner.

Not according to Hebrew scholars in all world class universities (as noted by James Barr - who was one of them). They see in the Genesis text - a historic record so easy to read that a 12 year old gets the point. Those scholars don't necessarily like what the Bible says or agree with it but they know what exegesis is and they know how the readers would have understood that simple, easy and obvious text.

So easy that it is even embedded in the legal code of Ex 20:11 which is a form of Hebrew writing not prone to myth/fairy tale to make its point.

 

[saved24]

Ya sad, some say, take back the rainbow, that it is a sign of God's promise

 

[Aldebaran]

It's about pride in recognizing and valuing who you are. That's not wrong. In fact it's unjust to demean people for wanting to recognize their own self-worth.

If the "gay Christian" we're talking about here gets his pride and value from being gay, that doesn't really jive with "seeking God".

 

[FireDragon76]

If the "gay Christian" we're talking about here gets his pride and value from being gay, that doesn't really jive with "seeking God".

Even the "side B" Christians in this debate, like Wesley Hill, no longer talks this way. Recognizing that gay Christians have value and worth as gay people is not affirming anything but their personhood.

Or do you just have a problem with people being honest about their sexual orientation?

 

[Aldebaran]

Even the "side B" Christians in this debate, like Wesley Hill, no longer talks this way. Recognizing that gay Christians have value and worth as gay people is not affirming anything but their personhood.

Or do you just have a problem with people being honest about their sexual orientation?

They can have their value and worth as individuals, but when one seeks after God, it means repenting of sin rather than being proud of it or celebrating it.

 

[returntosender]

well one thing is for sure the actual rainbow has no "black" shining brightly in the sky nor does it have "white" or "brown".

Red, orange, yellow, green, royal blue, light blue?, purple, pink,

The 7 Colors of the Rainbow and Their Meanings Explained in Detail

The rainbow is one of the most beautiful, naturally occurring phenomenons in nature. Scientifically speaking, rainbows appear in the sky when sunlight enters raindrops…

www.color-meanings.com

Black is appropriate for gays.

 

[returntosender]

There is no such thing as a gay Christian.

 

[RileyG]

There is no such thing as a gay Christian.

Amen. They have to choose to either embrace their sin or embrace Christ. They cannot have both.

 

[JacksBratt]

I think a rainbow is a universal symbol that can't be claimed by any one group.
There are many gay friendly churches. I am friendly with someone who pastors one.
I think gay Christians seeking God would be better served by a church community that is less inflexible and hell-centered.

The rainbow was first shown by God to Noah to show that He would never wipe out the earth by a flood... ever again.

Do you not think that those who organized the rainbow for "Gay Pride" didn't know that?

It's opennly mocking God.

I don't care what anyone does in their pirvacy.. I know many gay's and I work with them fine. They are people too...

What is wrong is the grooming of children, the forcing of gender free washrooms, drag queen story hours for children, telling 99% of the population that we must adjust to the 1% and somehow know what pronoun to use.

I'm offended.... by how easily others are offended...

If LGBTQ was really "inclusive"... it should be LGBTQS.... the "S" is for "Striaight".... Then we can all be one big happy "community"... Kick this to the curb and get back to life.

If a man wants to be a woman... I don't care... but taxpayers shouldn't have to foo the bill for the change. And they should have sport events for Males in one group, Females in their own and Trans... in their own.......end of argument.

It's patheic that the Pride movement gets a whole month.. while the men and women who fought and died for them to have the freedom to do as they do..... get one measily day out of a year.

 

[JacksBratt]

There is no such thing as a gay Christian.

I disagree... a Christian can be gay, a thief, a liar, a drug addict, an adulterer, a felon, a murder, a sloth, selfish, violent or a porn addict......

Many people struggle with many sins. Even some gay people hate the fact that they are attracted to the same sex.

However, a person who is fighting for gay rights, abortion, gender blocking of children would have a hard time convincing me that they were filled by the Holy Spirit and striving to follow the ways of their savior.

 

[JacksBratt]

It's about pride in recognizing and valuing who you are. That's not wrong. In fact it's unjust to demean people for wanting to recognize their own self-worth.

If I was a thief... which is a sin...or a drug addict... or a violent man.. or adulterer... or a liar..... and came to the cross, asking for forgiveness of all my sins.. but still had pride in my sinful ways... I haven't repented.

We are to be humbled and ashamed of even the smallest sins.. They make us imperfect and we are as ugly rags.

To be a Christian is to accept and admit that we are wrong and our penalty is death. We are not worthy of eternal life.. nobody... not even if we took a penny candy from the shop on the corner... we are dead.

Then, we are to turn from that sinful way of life..

Pride in homosexuality... is not turning away.

You could still be fighting the desires.. just as others fight their sinful flesh driven sins. But, you can be turned away and actively striving to be what Christ wants you to be.

We may be struggling.. but active pride... is not struggling.

 

[FireDragon76]

If I was a thief... which is a sin...or a drug addict... or a violent man.. or adulterer... or a liar..... and came to the cross, asking for forgiveness of all my sins.. but still had pride in my sinful ways... I haven't repented.

We are to be humbled and ashamed of even the smallest sins.. They make us imperfect and we are as ugly rags.

To be a Christian is to accept and admit that we are wrong and our penalty is death. We are not worthy of eternal life.. nobody... not even if we took a penny candy from the shop on the corner... we are dead.

Then, we are to turn from that sinful way of life..

Pride in homosexuality... is not turning away.

You could still be fighting the desires.. just as others fight their sinful flesh driven sins. But, you can be turned away and actively striving to be what Christ wants you to be.

We may be struggling.. but active pride... is not struggling.

Being a thief or drug addict isn't analogous to being gay phenomenologically. It's more analogous to something like left-handedness.

 

[returntosender]

I disagree... a Christian can be gay, a thief, a liar, a drug addict, an adulterer, a felon, a murder, a sloth, selfish, violent or a inappropriate content addict......

Many people struggle with many sins. Even some gay people hate the fact that they are attracted to the same sex.

However, a person who is fighting for gay rights, abortion, gender blocking of children would have a hard time convincing me that they were filled by the Holy Spirit and striving to follow the ways of their savior.

All you mentioned are PRACTICING sin so they're not Christians.

 

[JacksBratt]

Being a thief or drug addict isn't analogous to being gay phenomenologically. It's more analogous to something like left-handedness.

You can look at it that way... However, the Bible doesn't hold "left handedness" with the same regard as being gay.

You can hold to your own "truth" in that regard... or the truth of God's word.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's a folk story or legend. That doesn't give ownership of the rainbow to Christians. Rainbows appear as symbols in alot of cultures. For instance, the native Seediq people of Taiwan believed you crossed over to the afterlife on a rainbow bridge.

Christians aren’t the ones complaining about LGBTXDJON?Z52 using it.

 

[JacksBratt]

All you mentioned are PRACTICING sin so they're not Christians.

Every Christian sins every day. Some are struggling with sins that are regarded to be more unacceptable than others.

However, if you think you are a Christian and you no longer sin.. you need to take a real good look at what a "sin" is.

Then... you need to understand that one tiny sin, in God's eyes... is the same as the greatest sin in our eyes.

It is about the heart.... Are you aware that you are sinning? Are you aware that only Christ can forgive your sins? Are you continually striving to be better?

IMO, a homosexual, struggling with their desires... is far better of a Christian, if they have faith in Christ..getting help and feels shame full at their failures if and when they happen....... than a business man who regularly lies to get deals.. or an employee who continually takes home printer paper for their home, or duct tape, or any company bought product.. instead of going and buying it themselves for their personal use...... and thinks they "owe" me.

Or, even your little grandmother, who continually gossips all the dirt on all the people in the church...

It's arrogant of us to point fingers... we are all sinners... we are all as dirty rags... we are all seen pure by Christ.. if we have accepted His gift of salvation.

 

[JacksBratt]

Christians aren’t the ones complaining about LGBTXDJON?Z52 using it.

If Christians aren't calling out the "Pride" people for using it... Who is?

 

[returntosender]

Every Christian sins every day. Some are struggling with sins that are regarded to be more unacceptable than others.

However, if you think you are a Christian and you no longer sin.. you need to take a real good look at what a "sin" is.

Then... you need to understand that one tiny sin, in God's eyes... is the same as the greatest sin in our eyes.

It is about the heart.... Are you aware that you are sinning? Are you aware that only Christ can forgive your sins? Are you continually striving to be better?

IMO, a homosexual, struggling with their desires... is far better of a Christian, if they have faith in Christ..getting help and feels shame full at their failures if and when they happen....... than a business man who regularly lies to get deals.. or an employee who continually takes home printer paper for their home, or duct tape, or any company bought product.. instead of going and buying it themselves for their personal use...... and thinks they "owe" me.

Or, even your little grandmother, who continually gossips all the dirt on all the people in the church...

It's arrogant of us to point fingers... we are all sinners... we are all as dirty rags... we are all seen pure by Christ.. if we have accepted His gift of salvation.

The secret word is PRACTICE.. I KNOW YOU GET MY POINT AND GOD GETS THAT YOU'RE IN DENIAL. The more words you use the more your argument loses strength.