Even today we could probably program a robot to do what your cat does, but not what you do and can do.
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Questions on the extent of God’s sovereignty.
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I am not so sure about that. If, indeed, that is the case, then who is to say that at some point AI will be able to completely duplicate a human being?
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Cats are not like robots, either. Free, by definition, means without limits or boundaries. Limited free will is an oxymoron.
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One may possess a will that is limited or one may believe that his will is free and unfettered. It is an oxymoron to link limited with free in describing the human will.
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We have limits, most of our choices are the result of our genes and our environment and not free will choices. Only a few choices are allowed to be free will choices.
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Thus, we are in essential agreement that human will is not altogether free, but is, in fact, limited.
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If that is so, how do individuals who never have the slightest knowledge of Jesus Christ choose to accept something of which they are quite ignorant?
That is, unless you speak of God's charity in His creation, of which most people neither accept nor reject. Breathing is instinctive and air is a gift of God's charity, is it not?
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We do not have God's charitable gift of Godly type Love, prior to deciding to accept God's pure undeserved. The new heart is that Love.
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The Bible does not address specifically those who never had the opportunity to accept or reject God's charity like an unborn baby who dies, we can only work from our knowledge of an all-Loving God. If they do go on to heaven, they will not have obtained Godly type love.
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We don’t need it, though, since we have free will. We can just decide to love.
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I am not talking about unborn babies, idiots, or lunatics. I am talking about fully functional, intelligent human beings who will never had the slightest opportunity to hear the name of Jesus Christ, much less anything related to Christianity. Do you believe that they are capable of making a free-will choice to accept God's charitable gift of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ?
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Godly type Love is beyond human logic, it cannot be learned, developed or bought. It can only be accepted or rejected.
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What about those folks I mentioned above? Can they accept or reject something which is completely alien to them?
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Again, those who never have the opportunity. to accept or reject God's charity are not addressed in scripture and thus might be handled the same way as the newborn child.
The gentile Canaanite woman came to Jesus calling Him "Son of David", and she is described by Christ as having "Great Faith", while later Jesus will describe His disciples as have, "so little faith", where did she learn he was the "son of David" (Messiah)?
God will judge the hearts of people and not their knowledge.
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What about those folks I mentioned above? Can they accept or reject something which is completely alien to them?
Both the Canaanite woman and the folks living in Samaria had ready access to the Jewish scriptures and were hardly ignorant of what was going on in Judea.
Your assertion that each individual can exercise his or her free will to accept or reject the charity of God is proven false by the actual experiences of the lives of billions of people.
One can fall back to the argument from silence as you have done, but it does not support your assertion.
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