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Did Abraham observe the Sabbath day?

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I don't think so. Moses gave the Sabbath to the Israelites. Nehemiah 9:
14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.​

Deuteronomy 5:
1 Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.​

Nehemiah understood that the Sabbath command was part of the covenant given to the Israelites.

Moses then proceeded to quote the 10 commandments,
12 “‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.​

The LORD did not command the Egyptians to keep the Sabbath Day. The Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the Sabbath because he brought them out of Egypt.

I don't think Abraham observed the Passover or knew about God forbidding marrying your step-sister (Lev 18:9) or child sacrifice :)
 
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I don't think so. Moses gave the Sabbath to the Israelites. Nehemiah 9:
14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.​

Deuteronomy 5:
1 Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.​

Moses then proceeded to quote the 10 commandments,
12 “‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.​

The LORD did not command the Egyptians to keep the Sabbath Day. The Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the Sabbath because he brought them out of Egypt.

I don't think Abraham knew about God forbidding child sacrifice either.
The case can be made that he did. The sabbath was given to Israel at Sinai as a SIGN. The sabbath was not invented at Sinai. Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws” (Genesis 26:5). Yoma 28b: the Gemara cites that Rav said: Abraham our Patriarch fulfilled the entire Torah before it was given, as it is stated: “Because Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My mitzvot, My statutes and My Torahs” (Genesis 26:5). Rav Shimi bar Ḥiyya said to Rav: And say that the verse means that he fulfilled only the seven Noahide mitzvot and not the entire Torah. The Gemara asks: But isn’t there also circumcision that Abraham clearly observed, which is not one of the Noahide laws? Apparently, Abraham fulfilled more than just those seven. The Gemara asks: And say that he fulfilled only the seven mitzvot and circumcision. Rav said to him: If so, why do I need the continuation of the verse, that Abraham kept: My mitzvot and my Torah? That is a clear indication that he fulfilled mitzvot beyond the seven Noahide mitzvot, and apparently fulfilled the entire Torah.
 
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The case can be made that he did. The sabbath was given to Israel at Sinai as a SIGN. The sabbath was not invented at Sinai. Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws” (Genesis 26:5). Yoma 28b: the Gemara cites that Rav said: Abraham our Patriarch fulfilled the entire Torah before it was given, as it is stated: “Because Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My mitzvot, My statutes and My Torahs” (Genesis 26:5). Rav Shimi bar Ḥiyya said to Rav: And say that the verse means that he fulfilled only the seven Noahide mitzvot and not the entire Torah. The Gemara asks: But isn’t there also circumcision that Abraham clearly observed, which is not one of the Noahide laws? Apparently, Abraham fulfilled more than just those seven. The Gemara asks: And say that he fulfilled only the seven mitzvot and circumcision. Rav said to him: If so, why do I need the continuation of the verse, that Abraham kept: My mitzvot and my Torah? That is a clear indication that he fulfilled mitzvot beyond the seven Noahide mitzvot, and apparently fulfilled the entire Torah.
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Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above that Abraham observed the weekly Sabbath?
 
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I don't think so. Moses gave the Sabbath to the Israelites. Nehemiah 9:
14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.​

Deuteronomy 5:
1 Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.​
If the New Covenant has been made with us that was not made with the ancient Israelites and it contains some of the same laws, then the fact that a covenant was made with the ancient Israelites that was not made with their fathers does not mean that their fathers did not follow the same laws. For example, it is a sin to commit adultery under the New Covenant, under the Mosaic Covenant, and Joseph also knew that it was a sin to do that long before the Mosaic Covenant was made (Genesis 39:9).

Moses then proceeded to quote the 10 commandments,
12 “‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.​

The LORD did not command the Egyptians to keep the Sabbath Day. The Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the Sabbath because he brought them out of Egypt.

I don't think Abraham knew about God forbidding child sacrifice either.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the nations, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which Jesus preached in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which was the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with his promise (Galatians 3:8), and which he preached to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's way, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Joshua 22:5, Isaiah 2:2-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others. In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to him all that He has promised. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply the children of Abraham as the stars in the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. In Deuteronomy 30:16, if the Israelites will love the Lord their God with all of their heart by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless them in the land that they go to posses. So the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him, so the way that the children of Abraham are multiplied in accordance with the promise is not through having physical descendants, but through teaching the nations to do the same works as Abraham by turning them from their wickedness and teaching them how to walk in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel, which is also the means by which the children of Abraham are a blessing to the nations (Psalms 119:1-3). It would be contradictory to think that the children of Abraham are expected to being doing the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way while also thinking that God instructed the them to do something completely different than what He instructed to Abraham, so yes Abraham also kept the Sabbath holy. Keeping the Sabbath testifies that God created the world in six days, rested on the 7th, that He is holy, that He sanctifies us, and that He saves His people out of bondage, so only those who keep the Sabbath holy believe in the truth of these things.
 
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If the New Covenant has been made with us that was not made with the ancient Israelites and it contains some of the same laws, then the fact that a covenant was made with the ancient Israelites that was not made with their fathers does not mean that their fathers did not follow the same laws. For example, it is a sin to commit adultery under the New Covenant, under the Mosaic Covenant, and Joseph also knew that it was a sin to do that long before the Mosaic Covenant was made (Genesis 39:9).


In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the nations, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which Jesus preached in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which was the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with his promise (Galatians 3:8), and which he preached to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's way, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Joshua 22:5, Isaiah 2:2-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others. In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to him all that He has promised. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply the children of Abraham as the stars in the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. In Deuteronomy 30:16, if the Israelites will love the Lord their God with all of their heart by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless them in the land that they go to posses. So the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him, so the way that the children of Abraham are multiplied in accordance with the promise is not through having physical descendants, but through teaching the nations to do the same works as Abraham by turning them from their wickedness and teaching them how to walk in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel, which is also the means by which the children of Abraham are a blessing to the nations (Psalms 119:1-3). It would be contradictory to think that the children of Abraham are expected to being doing the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way while also thinking that God instructed the them to do something completely different than what He instructed to Abraham, so yes Abraham also kept the Sabbath holy. Keeping the Sabbath testifies that God created the world in six days, rested on the 7th, that He is holy, that He sanctifies us, and that He saves His people out of bondage, so only those who keep the Sabbath holy believe in the truth of these things.
Let proposition P1 = Abraham observed the weekly Sabbath.

Is P1 true?
 
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Thanks for sharing.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above that Abraham observed the weekly Sabbath?
Since he "walked with HaShem" and was His friend, it was very likely so a 9-10. He asked him to sacrifice his own son so I am sure other things were discussed too! He obeyed HaShem in all things.
 
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Since he "walked with HaShem" and was His friend, it was very likely so a 9-10. He asked him to sacrifice his own son so I am sure other things were discussed too! He obeyed HaShem in all things.
Let proposition P1 = Abraham observed the weekly Sabbath.
P2 = Abraham did not observe the weekly Sabbath.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions?
 
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Let proposition P1 = Abraham observed the weekly Sabbath.
P2 = Abraham did not observe the weekly Sabbath.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions?
lol you can't figure that out by what I wrote?
 
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I don't think so. Moses gave the Sabbath to the Israelites. Nehemiah 9:
14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.​
Moses wrote the book of Genesis and tells us in Gen 2:1-3 that the Sabbath was set apart as a holy day on day 7 of creation week.

God speaks the TEN from Sinai and in Ex 20:11 also points to the Gen 2:1-3 event as the origin for the holy Sabbath

Christ does not say "Sabbath was made for Israel" in Mark 2:27 - He says it was made "for mankind".

In Deut 5:22 we are told that the TEN were spoken by God Himself (not Moses) and "HE added no more" - so the Sabbath is in the unit of Law that James 2 does not allow to be split up.

Deuteronomy 5:
1 Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.​
The nation covenant was made with Israel not their fathers.

By contrast "The commandments of God" matter to all mankind according to Paul in 1 Cor 7:19

However it was always a sin to "take God's name in vain" even though that commandment can't be found in the book of Genesis.
Moses then proceeded to quote the 10 commandments,
12 “‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.​
Deut 5 is not a rewrite of the TEN given in Ex 20 over forty years earlier. It is a summary given at the end of Moses' life where Moses reminds them that God spoke the TEN at Sinai - "and added no more" Deut 5:22.
The LORD did not command the Egyptians to keep the Sabbath Day.
Nor is there a command to Egypt to tell them not to take God's name in vain.

Is 56:6-8 the gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before me to worship"

Some people think that Egyptians are part of the group "mankind".
The Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the Sabbath because he brought them out of Egypt.
All of the TEN Commandments are prefaced with "God brought you out of Egypt" in Ex 20:1-2, that did not delete the command that said not to take God's name in vain.
 
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Thanks for sharing.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above that Abraham observed the weekly Sabbath?
"Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws” (Genesis 26:5).

Gen 2:1-3 has the Sabbath set part for holy use on day 7 of creation week.
Ex 20:11 that Gen 2:1-3 event is the origin of the Sabbath as a holy day
Mark 2:27 "Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaks of the making of BOTH mankind and Sabbath that happend in creation week.
 
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Moses wrote the book of Genesis and tells us in Gen 2:1-3 that the Sabbath was set apart as a holy day on day 7 of creation week.
Sure, but it did not command anyone to observe it.
 
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