Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[Leaf473]

Indeed - going East from California they are all on the same day. They would have had Friday before California did.

Ahhh... A fresh new day Ready to start back at it again
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Are you saying that when the Sun is setting in California it is the same day all around the world?

Another random proverb
Remember this: he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly. He who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.

 

[Leaf473]

its called "international date line" -- is this a new concept for you?

Hi Bob,
I believe you left out a key part of my post:

Do the scriptures say how to deal with this issue?

I'm familiar with the international date line, but is it something in the Scriptures?

Suppose a person flies from Los Angeles to Sydney. If you rest on what the Australian government says is the seventh day, you will only have worked 5 days. Is that an acceptable bending of the scriptures, in your view?

A random proverb
My son, keep your father’s commandment,
and don’t forsake your mother’s teaching. Bind them continually on your heart.
Tie them around your neck.

 

[Leaf473]

Are you trying to figure out how a round planet can have a change i day from one day to the next as it rotates?

Or are you trying to solve the problem for rabbits in Africa vs the rabbits in the Americas as the time that the Middle east crossed over from day 6 to day 7 in Genesis 2??

Well actually, neither one. I'm interested in discussing what people who want to observe the seventh day
are seeing in the scriptures about how to deal with
a sunset that moves around the earth continuously.

A related issue is what to do as one approaches the poles and the Sun doesn't set for maybe 100 hours at a time.

Do the scriptures say to just go with what the human governments have decided? Do human governments have the authority to say what day it is?

More from proverbs
When you walk, it will lead you.
When you sleep, it will watch over you.
When you awake, it will talk with you. For the commandment is a lamp,
and the law is light.

 

[BobRyan]

I agree. However, the international date line is a human tradition

Is it your claim that on a round planet with a light source on one said even God does not know that the rotating planet travels through the evening point at a fixed line that the earth rotates through?

Seriously?

This is your "problem"?

I find your rabbit trails increasingly more difficult to take seriously.

Do you believe humans have the ability to establish a date line?

humans do have the ability of logic, and thinking -- is this what you find confusing?

Your rabbit trail is starting to go very thin

 

[BobRyan]

Suppose a person flies from Los Angeles to Sydney. If you rest on what the Australian government says is the seventh day, you will only have worked 5 days.

Is it your claim that Adam and Eve were flying around the planet on day 6 and so could not possibly have had a 7 day week?

Or is this rabbit trail of yours going wayyy off the deep end??

 

[BobRyan]

Well actually, neither one. I'm interested in discussing what people who want to observe the seventh day
are seeing in the scriptures

We see a seven day week in scripture -- see Gen 2:1-3 then see the Sabbath commandment point to it in Ex 20:8-11

Have you considered landing on the actual topic of this thread? For example read the OP.

about how to deal with
a sunset

Flying around the planet and dealing with dateline changes can be interesting... that is not the topic of this thread.

 

[BobRyan]

Ahhh... A fresh new day Ready to start back at it again
_______________
Are you saying that when the Sun is setting in California it is the same day all around the world?

no - that is not how the date line works.

Are you still trying to solve the problem for rabbits in Africa vs rabbits in the America's on day 6 of creation week - while Adam and Eve were having mid-day on day 6?

Or are you losing track of your own rabbit trail?

 

[BobRyan]

Talking about when the seventh day starts with people who want to observe it doesn't look like a rabbit trail to me.

It's called a 'seven day week'.

In Ex 16 we have "tomorrow is the Sabbath".

In Acts 18:4 "every Sabbath" Paul was in the synagogue preaching the gospel to both gentiles and Jews.

Your "I still don't know about the 7 day week" and "how could Paul possibly know when the Sabbath was in Acts 18" sorts of inference-puzzles don't actually appear anywhere in scripture.

You should start your own thread on your own topic.

 

[Leaf473]

Is it your claim that on a round planet with a light source on one said even God does not know that the rotating planet travels through the evening point at a fixed line that the earth rotates through?

No, that's not my claim.

Seriously?

This is your "problem"?

No, as said above.
Here's the question I asked you

However, the international date line is a human tradition, isn't it?

Are you saying that the international date line is something established by God? Or is it a human tradition?

 

[Leaf473]

I find your rabbit trails increasingly more difficult to take seriously.

It is up to you whether you want to respond or not

A random proverb
My son, pay attention to my wisdom. Turn your ear to my understanding,
that you may maintain discretion, that your lips may preserve knowledge.

 

[Leaf473]

humans do have the ability of logic, and thinking -- is this what you find confusing?

Your rabbit trail is starting to go very thin

No, I do not find that confusing.

Here are the two questions:

Do you believe humans have the ability to establish a date line? And possibly more interesting, to make changes to it?

And suppose reword the first as,
Do humans have the authority to establish a date line?
And of the second,
Do humans have the authority to make changes to it?

A random proverb
For the lips of an adulteress drip honey. Her mouth is smoother than oil, but in the end she is as bitter as wormwood.

 

[Leaf473]

Is it your claim that Adam and Eve were flying around the planet on day 6 and so could not possibly have had a 7 day week?

Or is this rabbit trail of yours going wayyy off the deep end??

No, that's not my claim. I do you see people doing that today, however.

Another proverb
Now therefore, my sons, listen to me.
Don’t depart from the words of my mouth.

 

[Leaf473]

We see a seven day week in scripture -- see Gen 2:1-3 then see the Sabbath commandment point to it in Ex 20:8-11

Here is the full question

I'm interested in discussing what people who want to observe the seventh day
are seeing in the scriptures about how to deal with
a sunset that moves around the earth continuously.

Have you considered landing on the actual topic of this thread? For example read the OP.

I believe it is on the topic of the thread, in order to have a weekly Sabbath one must have a full week.

Flying around the planet and dealing with dateline changes can be interesting... that is not the topic of this thread.

Whether it is Saturday or a different day depends on where a person is in relation to the international date line. Do you believe the IDL was established by God's authority?

A random proverb
Drink water out of your own cistern,
running water out of your own well.

 

[Leaf473]

no - that is not how the date line works.

Are you still trying to solve the problem for rabbits in Africa vs rabbits in the America's on day 6 of creation week - while Adam and Eve were having mid-day on day 6?

Or are you losing track of your own rabbit trail?

I'm not saying either of those. If it's a different day in different parts of the world, by whose authority does that happen?

Another proverb
Let your spring be blessed.
Rejoice in the wife of your youth.

 

[Leaf473]

It's called a 'seven day week'.

Yes, and we're talking about when it starts.

In Ex 16 we have "tomorrow is the Sabbath".

Yes, and where was the earliest place on Earth where that was true?

In Acts 18:4 "every Sabbath" Paul was in the synagogue preaching the gospel to both gentiles and Jews.

Your "I still don't know about the 7 day week" and "how could Paul possibly know when the Sabbath was in Acts 18" sorts of inference-puzzles don't actually appear anywhere in scripture.

That's not what I'm saying.

You should start your own thread on your own topic.

If you don't want to talk about it anymore, just stop responding

As my mother used to say when I was growing up, "It takes two to tango"

And this time, a proverb that actually relates
My son, keep your father’s commandment, and don’t forsake your mother’s teaching.

Peace be with you, Bob, my man!

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, and we're talking about when it starts.

Each week starts on Saturday evening -- which is the evening of Sunday in the Bible model of "evening and morning" for each day.

I fail to see how your confusion on this detail has anything to do with whether or not the Sabbath is the Lord's day according to the Bible.

So far you ignore every detail in the OP about whether the Sabbath is or is not the Lord's day.

If you like your topic -- start a thread on it.

Yes, and where was the earliest place on Earth where that was true?

What difference does it make to the topic?? Are you trying to side track this thread?

 

[BobRyan]

Leaf473 said:
I'm interested in discussing what people who want to observe the seventh day
are seeing in the scriptures about how to deal with
a sunset that moves around the earth continuously.

Sounds like you have selected your topic -- now all you need to do is start your thread on that topic.

But ... "for the record" -- on the surface of a rotating object with a light source on one said - the boundary between light and dark is not what is moving. You will need to consider that detail in your thread.

 

[Leaf473]

Each week starts on Saturday evening -- which is the evening of Sunday in the Bible model of "evening and morning" for each day.

I fail to see how your confusion on this detail has anything to do with whether or not the Sabbath is the Lord's day according to the Bible.

So far you ignore every detail in the OP about whether the Sabbath is or is not the Lord's day.

If you like your topic -- start a thread on it.

What difference does it make to the topic?? Are you trying to side track this thread?

I'm not confused, I'm interested in hearing what people who observe the seventh day are seeing in the scriptures regarding when that seventh day starts.

From the OP

In the Bible the weekly Sabbath is Saturday - the 7th day of the week. From Friday Evening to Saturday evening.

So... is that Friday when the human government in your area says that it's Friday, or do the scriptures give a way of calculating?

If you live near the poles and there is no sunset, do you just pick a time?

Is the idea that it's not critical to God when the seventh day starts, the important thing is just to pick a 24-hour period every seven 24-hour periods? Is that based on the scriptures?

A random proverb
When you sit to eat with a ruler,
consider diligently what is before you; put a knife to your throat, if you are a man given to appetite. Don’t be desirous of his dainties,
since they are deceitful food.

 

[Leaf473]

Sounds like you have selected your topic -- now all you need to do is start your thread on that topic.

But ... "for the record" -- on the surface of a rotating object with a light source on one said - the boundary between light and dark is not what is moving. You will need to consider that detail in your thread.

Yes, I'm interested in discussing what people who want to observe the seventh day
are seeing in the scriptures about how to deal with
being on the surface of a rotating object with a light source on one side.

Which fits very well with

From Friday Evening to Saturday evening.

Are you seeing something in the scriptures that says when to calculate Friday evening on the surface of this rotating object?

A random proverb
Don’t be desirous of the ruler's dainties,
since they are deceitful food. Don’t weary yourself to be rich.
In your wisdom, show restraint.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, I'm interested in discussing what people who want to observe the seventh day
are seeing in the scriptures about how to deal with
being on the surface of a rotating object with a light source on one side.

Good luck with your preferred topic in that new thread of yours. This one is on the Sabbath and the LORD's Day as per the OP.