Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[BobRyan]

Adam and Eve saw the beginning of the first 7th day from their horizon?

Adam and Eve could see the sun.
Adam and Eve talked with God.

What is your point??

 

[Leaf473]

Adam and Eve could see the sun.
Adam and Eve talked with God.

What is your point??

My point is given here

Myself, I'm fine with the 7 Days in Genesis being literal 24-hour days. But that means that when that first 7th Day was starting, the sun was setting in a particular place.

When Adam and Eve saw the sun setting, was that the first place that it had been the 7th day anywhere on Earth? Or, did the 7th day start somewhere else and move to where they were as it moved around the world?

 

[BobRyan]

Myself, I'm fine with the 7 Days in Genesis being literal 24-hour days.

so then you are "fine" with God saying that each day in Genesis 1 - was "one evening and morning"?
God's word actually meets with your approval? I am glad to hear it.
Not everyone is willing to go that far.

But that means that when that first 7th Day was starting, the sun was setting

Nope.

It means that each day - the earth was rotating at the same speed it is today - and the same as at Sinai in Ex 20:8-11
AND it means that God had some light source on one side of the earth.

Your statement above insists that you know God knows of no other light source for the sun so He must be self-conflicting His word since you know so much about what God cannot possibly know.

I get that.

IN your view - you must be "very awesome".

 

[BobRyan]

When Adam and Eve saw the sun setting, was that the first place that it had been the 7th day anywhere on Earth? Or, did the 7th day start somewhere else

Maybe God was confused and it started some other place...

When I see the sun set on friday - it does not "confuse my mind" that a gerbil in Africa might have seen that sun set before I did on that day. But maybe it did confuse God a bit on day 6 as you seem to suggest.

rabbit trails are more interesting for some than others - but I am willing to indulge them at least for a very short time.

 

[Leaf473]

so then you are "fine" with God saying that each day in Genesis 1 - was "one evening and morning"?
God's word actually meets with your approval? I am glad to hear it.
Not everyone is willing to go that far.


Nope.

It means that each day - the earth was rotating at the same speed it is today - and the same as at Sinai in Ex 20:8-11
AND it means that God had some light source on one side of the earth.

Your statement above insists that you know God knows of no other light source for the sun so He must be self-conflicting His word since you know so much about what God cannot possibly know.

I get that.

IN your view - you must be "very awesome".

Okay... Another light source. As the Earth rotated, was that light source sometimes visible, and sometimes not? Did the visibility of the light source have anything to do with the starting of days?

 

[Leaf473]

Maybe God was confused and it started some other place...

When I see the sun set on friday - it does not "confuse my mind" that a gerbil in Africa might have seen that sun set before I did on that day. But maybe it did confuse God a bit on day 6 as you seem to suggest.

rabbit trails are more interesting for some than others - but I am willing to indulge them at least for a very short time.

People in California see the sunsetting on Friday, starting the 7th day. People in New York saw that 3 hours earlier. People in Africa may be 5 hours earlier than that. Keep moving East, people in Australia are seeing the beginning of the 7th day maybe 17 hours before the people in California. Keep going, in Hawaii about 3 hours earlier. Then keep moving and we're back in California, 4 hours earlier than Hawaii. We've gone a full 24 hours earlier. The seventh day is now starting 24 hours before the 7th day started. Do the scriptures say how to deal with this issue?

 

[Leaf473]

Maybe God was confused and it started some other place...

If it started in Eden where Adam and Eve were, that's cool. It means that just to the east, it was still the 6th day. If the cycles have continued exactly the same, then the earliest place that the 7th day can start is that same location, around the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The people in India and Australia have been celebrating the wrong day, then.

 

[BobRyan]

When Adam and Eve saw the sun setting, was that the first place that it had been the 7th day anywhere on Earth? Or, did the 7th day start somewhere else

Maybe God was confused and it started some other place...

When I see the sun set on Friday - it does not "confuse my mind" that a gerbil in Africa might have seen that sun set before I did on that day. But maybe it did confuse God a bit on day 6 as you seem to suggest.

If it started in Eden where Adam and Eve were, that's cool.

Indeed and IF the global flood preserved the Land mass global configuration so that we can still identify Eden's location AFTER the flood as BEFORE the flood - then we could imagine more "interesting cool" things in some of the rabbit trails.

Either way in Exodus 16 "TOMORROW IS the Sabbath" is a statement at Sinai.

The people in India and Australia have been celebrating the wrong day, then.

FIrst of all you have it wrong. at the point that 7 starts in the Middle East, it is still day 6 in America and it is day already in any place East of the Middle East. The Middle East is never a day ahead of what is East of the Middle East.

As it turns out the international dateline idea for day transition is not a flawed concept on a round Earth. Is this the rabbit trail you were looking for??

Are you trying to figure out if the rabbits in India were on the right day for that first Sabbath - or are you trying to fix things for the rabbits in the Americas??

 

[BobRyan]

People in California see the sunsetting on Friday, starting the 7th day. People in New York saw that 3 hours earlier.

Indeed - going East from California they are all on the same day. They would have had Friday before California did.

People in Africa may be 5 hours earlier than that. Keep moving East, people in Australia are seeing the beginning of the 7th day maybe 17 hours before the people in California. Keep going, in Hawaii about 3 hours earlier. Then keep moving and we're back in California, 4 hours earlier than Hawaii. We've gone a full 24 hours earlier.

its called "international date line" -- is this a new concept for you?

Are you trying to figure out how a round planet can have a change in day from one day to the next as it rotates?

Or are you trying to solve the problem for rabbits in Africa vs the rabbits in the Americas as the time that the Middle east crossed over from day 6 to day 7 in Genesis 2??

 

[Leaf473]

Maybe God was confused and it started some other place...

I respond to this here

If it started in Eden where Adam and Eve were, that's cool. It means that just to the east, it was still the 6th day. If the cycles have continued exactly the same, then the earliest place that the 7th day can start is that same location, around the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The people in India and Australia have been celebrating the wrong day, then.

 

[Leaf473]

When I see the sun set on Friday - it does not "confuse my mind" that a gerbil in Africa might have seen that sun set before I did on that day.

It doesn't confuse my mind, either, at least as far as a secular time and date go. But do the scriptures talk about a place on Earth where sunset of one day becomes sunset of the next day?

But maybe it did confuse God a bit on day 6 as you seem to suggest.

No, I'm not suggesting that.

A random proverb
Don’t ever forget kindness and truth.
Wear them like a necklace.
Write them on your heart as if on a tablet.
-New Century Version

 

[Leaf473]

But maybe it did confuse God a bit on day 6 as you seem to suggest.

I'm glad you brought this up again No, I don't think it confused God. However... When the 7th day was just starting, do you believe creation was still going on in the rest of the Earth, where it was still the 6th day?

 

[Leaf473]

Indeed and IF the global flood preserved the Land mass global configuration so that we can still identify Eden's location AFTER the flood as BEFORE the flood - then we could imagine more "interesting cool" things in some of the rabbit trails.

Is the subject of when the Sabbath starts considered a rabbit hole among those who want to observe the seventh day? I'm thinking it would relate to whether or not we can trust human tradition on the subject.

Another random proverb
Honor the Lord with your wealth
and with the best part of everything you produce.
Then he will fill your barns with grain,
and your vats will overflow with good wine.
-New Living Translation

 

[Leaf473]

Indeed and IF the global flood preserved the Land mass global configuration so that we can still identify Eden's location AFTER the flood as BEFORE the flood - then we could imagine more "interesting cool" things in some of the rabbit trails.

If you don't want to use Eden as the first place on Earth that the seventh day starts, that's fine. Someone up above said the prime meridian, would you say that's a possibility?

 

[Leaf473]

Either way in Exodus 16 "TOMORROW IS the Sabbath" is a statement at Sinai.

Definitely! And that could mean that when the Sabbath starts at Sinai, it starts everywhere in the world at that same time. Or it could mean that's just starting in Sinai.

A random proverb
Wisdom is worth more than silver;
it brings more profit than gold.
-New Century Version

 

[Leaf473]

FIrst of all you have it wrong. at the point that 7 starts in the Middle East, it is still day 6 in America and it is day already in any place East of the Middle East. The Middle East is never a day ahead of what is East of the Middle East.

Well, east of the Middle East the sun had already set. So it was already day 7 there. Unless, that is, day 7 starts at Sinai.

A random proverb
Long life is in her right hand. Riches and honor are in her left hand.
-New Life Version

 

[Leaf473]

...it is still day 6 in America...

The examples I gave were India and Australia.

A random proverb
For it is better than getting silver and fine gold.
-New Life Version

 

[Leaf473]

As it turns out the international dateline idea for day transition is not a flawed concept on a round Earth.

I agree. However, the international date line is a human tradition, isn't it? Do you believe humans have the ability to establish a date line? And possibly more interesting, to make changes to it?

A random proverb
For it is better than getting silver and fine gold. She is worth more than stones of great worth. Nothing you can wish for compares with her.
-New Life Version

 

[Leaf473]

Is this the rabbit trail you were looking for??

Talking about when the seventh day starts with people who want to observe it doesn't look like a rabbit trail to me. I'm especially interested in what the scriptures have to say about where on Earth the 7th day starts.

Another proverb
Her ways are pleasing, and all her paths are peace.
-New Life Version

 

[Leaf473]

Are you trying to figure out if the rabbits in India were on the right day for that first Sabbath - or are you trying to fix things for the rabbits in the Americas??

Neither one, I'm interested in discussing where the seventh day starts. A similar related question is whether humans have the authority to make that decision.

A random proverb
She is like a tree that produces a satisfied life for anyone who can wrap their arms around her;
happiness waits for any who hold her tightly.
-The Voice