Woke is Marxism Evolved to Take on the West

[Bradskii]

At least I go by personal experience from when I did exactly as someone here keeps telling me I'm supposed to do, which is be supportive and even celebratory of what they do, and not even let my own thoughts or feelings about it be known. Your reaction is exactly why many people simply stay in their corner and don't let their views be known, lest they be labeled with derogatory names.

Well gee, if their views are such that they implied all gay people have paedophile tendencies and they quoted passages from the bible that say they deserve to die then you bet they better stay in their corner. They'd be safe here. Forum rules etc.

 

[gaara4158]

Why should anyone being tolerant of what I described? You can dismiss it as a "handful of encounters", but they go along very well with other peoples' accounts and experiences, not to mention what's being proudly put on display nowadays.

Again, you’re just proudly displaying your bigotry for all of us to see. This narrative that the gay community is in any way preying on children, especially in an organizational capacity, is entirely fabricated by right-wing organizations preying on your emotions for their own political ends. If you can’t treat the gay people in your life like regular human beings because of what you’re seeing on TV, you’re a mark and a bigot. Why should the gays tolerate that kind of treatment from you?

 

[Bradskii]

I posted it as part of response to someone who wasn't you who suggested that I go so far as to celebrate someone's homosexuality. Here is that exchange:


It's not morally commendable to give approval of things that are inherently sinful.

Romans 1:32:
"Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

You quoted what you believe God has said about homosexuals deserving to die and said that you don't think the quote wrong. And now you want to double down by reposting it?

 

[Aldebaran]

Nobody should tolerate paedophiles. But that's it. If a paedophile happens to be straight, black, Asian, a plumber, a priest, left handed or gay doesn't matter whatsoever.

Not according to **THE SCIENCE**

Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.

The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study - PubMed

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Aldebaran]

Again, you’re just proudly displaying your bigotry for all of us to see. This narrative that the gay community is in any way preying on children, especially in an organizational capacity, is entirely fabricated by right-wing organizations preying on your emotions for their own political ends. If you can’t treat the gay people in your life like regular human beings because of what you’re seeing on TV, you’re a mark and a bigot. Why should the gays tolerate that kind of treatment from you?

There's that old pro-LGTB narrative again! Why do you keep resorting back to it?
Here you deny any organization by the gay "community", and then in the same sentence talk about "right-wing organizations". Contradict much?
And of course you now ignore what I said about treating gays like everyone else. I had no experience not to. I associated with them just like I did anyone else. But you choose to ignore that because it doesn't jive with your hate-filled narrative that you are trying so hard to make personal toward me.
All you're doing it proving that you have a narrative to promote.

 

[Aldebaran]

You quoted what you believe God has said about homosexuals deserving to die and said that you don't think the quote wrong. And now you want to double down by reposting it?

I reposted it, along with the rest of the exchange (which you choose to ignore) to correct you about the accusation you made against me as for my reason for posting it the first time. I was trying to show you the context.
If you would follow along more closely, I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself. Do try to keep up!

 

[Bradskii]

Not according to **THE SCIENCE**

Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.

The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study - PubMed

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You think that supports your views? You simply didn't understand it. And no way am I going to grant any credence to your views in any way by demeaning myself in discussing it. I really wish there was someway I could avoid coming across these type of posts.

 

[Aldebaran]

You think that supports your views? You simply didn't understand it. And no way am I going to grant any credence to your views in any way by demeaning myself in discussing it.

If you'd prefer to only discuss things when you agree with the facts, that's ok. But learning only happens when you discuss things you don't agree with.

I really wish there was someway I could avoid coming across these type of posts.

Your computer/phone has a power button. It can be utilized in a way that would prevent you from coming across ANY post you don't like.

 

[gaara4158]

Not according to **THE SCIENCE**

Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.

The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study - PubMed

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This does not mean you are to treat every gay person as though they are a likely pedophile. They’re still a tiny minority of the general gay population and they are not accepted by the community at large.

There's that old pro-LGTB narrative again! Why do you keep resorting back to it?
Here you deny any organization by the gay "community", and then in the same sentence talk about "right-wing organizations". Contradict much?
And of course you now ignore what I said about treating gays like everyone else. I had no experience not to. I associated with them just like I did anyone else. But you choose to ignore that because it doesn't jive with your hate-filled narrative that you are trying so hard to make personal toward me.
All you're doing it proving that you have a narrative to promote.

Treating the next gay person like they’re a likely pedophile because the last one was is, in fact, bigotry. I don’t think you’ve even bothered denying it.

Not sure what you’re getting at with my statement of the obvious. Where’s the contradiction between there being no meaningful organizational effort by gay people to prey on children, and there being a right-wing effort to make you believe otherwise?

 

[Aldebaran]

Not sure what you’re getting at with my statement of the obvious. Where’s the contradiction between there being no meaningful organizational effort by gay people to prey on children, and there being a right-wing effort to make you believe otherwise?

Nope! You said, "This narrative that the gay community is in any way preying on children, especially in an organizational capacity, is entirely fabricated by right-wing organizations preying on your emotions for their own political ends."

Now you change it to right-wing "effort".

Name those alleged "organizations".

 

[Aldebaran]

This does not mean you are to treat every gay person as though they are a likely pedophile. They’re still a tiny minority of the general gay population and they are not accepted by the community at large.

And 11 times more likely to be a pedophile than a straight person.
Are you seriously going to deny the science?

 

[Bradskii]

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[Bradskii]

And 11 times more likely to be a pedophile than a straight person.
Are you seriously going to deny the science?

You can't even understand a simple summary...

 

[Aldebaran]

Some people are in a position where the forum facility to ignore their posts is not available. Let's just pretend that it's available for the foreseeable future.

You may do so if you wish.

 

[gaara4158]

And 11 times more likely to be a pedophile than a straight person.
Are you seriously going to deny the science?

11 times a tiny number is still a tiny number. Are you seriously going to deny math?

 

[Aldebaran]

11 times a tiny number is still a tiny number. Are you seriously going to deny math?

To make sure we're understanding each other here, what is the tiny number you're referring to?

 

[Bradskii]

To make sure we're understanding each other here, what is the tiny number you're referring to?

You just have this conviction that being gay equates with paedophilia. So you can't even interpret a simple summary correctly. Your obvious bias prevents you from actually seeing what is being said. You are blind to the facts.

 

[Aldebaran]

You just have this conviction that being gay equates with paedophilia. So you can't even interpret a simple summary correctly. Your obvious bias prevents you from actually seeing what is being said. You are blind to the facts.

Calm down and don't take things so personally, especially since my question wasn't posted to you (who told me 26 minutes ago that you were going to pretend to be able to ignore me. See my quote in post #197).
If you wish to continue this discussion, that's fine. Let's continue in a civil manner.

 

[Bradskii]

Calm down and don't take things so personally, especially since my question wasn't posted to you (who told me 26 minutes ago that you were going to pretend to be able to ignore me. See my quote in post #197).

I cancelled that because someone has to point out that you are posting nonsense. Complete nonsense. And I guarantee you'd keep on repeating it anytime a discussion about gay people came up. You need to be called out on what you post is catastrophically incorrect to the point of absurdity.

 

[Gene2memE]

Not according to **THE SCIENCE**

Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.

The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study - PubMed

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

**THE SCIENCE** actually differs. More and better research is always a trump card.

Freund is a pioneering source on this type of research, but also a difficult source to be drawing on as this was an initial exploratory study.

Ray Blanchard, who was trained by Freund and is a major researcher in this area, performed a much larger and more involved study in 2012 (with nearly 2300 participants over nine years, against less than 500 participants over less than 12 months in the 1992 Freund/Wilson study). He found that there was no statistical difference in rates of pedophilic attraction between heterosexuals and homosexuals:

Full study is available online: Sexual Attraction to Others: A Comparison of Two Models of Alloerotic Responding in Men

It's not like Blanchard is some lefty liberal professor either. He's been a consistent ally (sometimes active, sometimes tacit) to various right wing groups with agendas around homosexuality, transsexuality, gender identity dysphoria and even race and eugenics. Even going so far as to write for various hard right/alt right fringe publications. He's the sort of guy that gets quoted by the Family Research Council, VDARE and TERFs.


Then there are other studies that find the opposite to Freund (even using similar calculation methodologies). Jenny et al (1992) found about 1% of child sex abusers were homosexual - although there are issues with that study as well (mostly population size and selection criteria). A follow up study (Jenny et al 1994) found no more than 3% of child sex abusers were homosexual. Again though, there a caveats about data accuracy.


I'll also note there are MANY challenges to the methodology Freund/Wilson used and the conclusions drawn in the paper. A big one is that there is an assumption that adult male on adolescent male sexual abuse and/or arousal means that the perpetrator was homosexual. It's not that clean or simple.

Quoting from the 1993 National Academies Press study 'Understanding Child Abuse and Neglect': "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143).

There's also an overlap between male-male and male-female abusers that wasn't covered by Freund. Willis et al (1993) report many offenders offend against both male and female children, defying strict classification on the basis of sexual orientation.

Wilson, one of the two authors of the study, wrote this in response to it being mis-used in such a way.

"These articles have frequently been cited by fundamentalist lobbyists as proof-positive that homosexuals are more inclined to molest children. This was not a finding of our research, period. What we found was that, among men with a sexual preference for children, there was an over-representation of men with a same-sex preference. To reiterate, among men with a sexual preference for children, as diagnosed using Dr. Freund's phallometric test, there was a higher relative incidence of homosexuality. In all other research we conducted, we never found that androphilic (i.e., a preference for male adults) men had any greater relative erotic interest in children than did their gynephilic (i.e., a preference for female adults) peers. Dr. Freund was and would continue to be greatly distressed that any of his research would contribute to the persecution of any group of people.”

Humans sexuality, is messy, complicated and defiant of our neat attempts at classification. Simply tarring one group of people in such a way is gross and smacks of bigotry.