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[gaara4158]

Not according to one of your previous posts:


Notice how each item you mention has to do with the issue we're discussing, which is homosexuality. You even go so far as recommend going to "Pride" events with gay "friends". By the same token, should I support my alcoholic friends by not "grimacing" when they say they're going to a bar, or brag about how drunk they got the previous night?
Then the celebration part, which you describe is the next step. Should I actually go to the bar with my alcoholic friend as well? Would you consider that to be "not morally obligatory but it is morally commendable" as well?

I don’t care what you think about homosexuality. I care how you treat gay people. Tolerate them, support them, and yes, celebrate them just as you celebrate anyone else at celebratory occasions.

Alcoholism is a poor analogy to homosexuality as one is demonstrably harmful while the other isn’t. A better analogy would be if you’re a non-drinker but your friend drinks responsibly and in moderation. Don’t treat him like a leper, and don’t lecture him on the health risks of drinking. Simply be his friend.

Another useful analogy comes from Ted Lasso:
We Do Care Speech

Gay people are all alone in a straight world in many ways. We should do more to make them feel at home.

 

[Aldebaran]

I don’t care what you think about homosexuality. I care how you treat gay people. Tolerate them, support them, and yes, celebrate them just as you celebrate anyone else at celebratory occasions.

Alcoholism is a poor analogy to homosexuality as one is demonstrably harmful while the other isn’t. A better analogy would be if you’re a non-drinker but your friend drinks responsibly and in moderation. Don’t treat him like a leper, and don’t lecture him on the health risks of drinking. Simply be his friend.

Another useful analogy comes from Ted Lasso:
We Do Care Speech

Gay people are all alone in a straight world in many ways. We should do more to make them feel at home.

When I became independent as an adult many years ago, I hadn't had any experience at all with anyone who was gay. When I became involved with a circle of friends in a group, I discovered that 3 of them were gay. Didn't really think anything of it at the time. I soon discovered that 2 of them were somehow out on probation after being convicted of messing with young boys (children). Later at a temporary job, I was "befriended" by a gay guy on day one who thought it appropriate to show up at my house uninvited late that evening--twice. Wouldn't leave me alone after that at work either.
I treated them all the same right from the beginning, only to discover that I was niave at the time, and that certain people who have certain tendencies are ones that require more caution.

 

[gaara4158]

When I became independent as an adult many years ago, I hadn't had any experience at all with anyone who was gay. When I became involved with a circle of friends in a group, I discovered that 3 of them were gay. Didn't really think anything of it at the time. I soon discovered that 2 of them were somehow out on probation after being convicted of messing with young boys (children). Later at a temporary job, I was "befriended" by a gay guy on day one who thought it appropriate to show up at my house uninvited late that evening--twice. Wouldn't leave me alone after that at work either.
I treated them all the same right from the beginning, only to discover that I was niave at the time, and that certain people who have certain tendencies are ones that require more caution.

Imagine basing your opinion of an entire demographic on three encounters you personally had. I think you know better than that.

 

[Aldebaran]

Imagine basing your opinion of an entire demographic on three encounters you personally had. I think you know better than that.

There were others. I just mentioned these because they were from around the same time period, and before the internet ability to look up peoples' histories.
More recently, the gay community has teamed up with most other types of various sexual perversions which have become "proud" since those long-ago days, and since then it's been made very well known how children are a focal point for their attention, regardless of age, and regardless of whether or not the location is meant as a place for children to be safe and protected (public schools).

 

[Bradskii]

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with anything since nobody here is calling for the death penalty for homosexuality.

You quoted the bible which explicitly said that.

 

[Bradskii]

There were others. I just mentioned these because they were from around the same time period, and before the internet ability to look up peoples' histories.

You quote passages from the bible saying that homosexuals should be killed and now you try to imply that gay people are paedophiles.

Thus is gutter level stuff. Absolutely shamefully.

 

[Aldebaran]

You quote passages from the bible saying that homosexuals should be killed and now you try to imply that gay people are paedophiles.

Thus is gutter level stuff. Absolutely shamefully.

I pointed out multiple instances from my own experiences with ones who turned out to be pedophiles.

 

[Larniavc]

I treated them all the same right from the beginning, only to discover that I was niave at the time, and that certain people who have certain tendencies are ones that require more caution.

Good advice. There are clearly some demographics who are just dangerous.

Youth pastor accused of filming girls in shower at SC church

The suspect was fired from the church on the day of his arrest, officials say.

www.cleveland19.com

This demographic especially.

 

[Aldebaran]

You quoted the bible which explicitly said that.

"knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death"

Did you miss that part? It's the righteous judgement of God. It wasn't my idea.

 

[Aldebaran]

Good advice. There are clearly some demographics who are just dangerous.

Youth pastor accused of filming girls in shower at SC church

The suspect was fired from the church on the day of his arrest, officials say.

www.cleveland19.com

This demographic especially.

Whataboutism.

 

[Bradskii]

I pointed out multiple instances from my own experiences with ones who turned out to be pedophiles.

The implication was clear. I guess it's lucky they weren't priests. That would present you with something of a quandary.

 

[Bradskii]

"knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death"

Did you miss that part? It's the righteous judgement of God. It wasn't my idea.

Like I said, it doesn't have to be. Do you often quote God to point out that you think He's wrong?

 

[gaara4158]

There were others. I just mentioned these because they were from around the same time period, and before the internet ability to look up peoples' histories.
More recently, the gay community has teamed up with most other types of various sexual perversions which have become "proud" since those long-ago days, and since then it's been made very well known how children are a focal point for their attention, regardless of age, and regardless of whether or not the location is meant as a place for children to be safe and protected (public schools).

Categorizing homosexuality as “perversion” and basing your opinion of a demographic comprising millions of people on a handful of personal encounters is the exact sort of bigotry that earns the right its reputation of being intolerant.

 

[Bradskii]

Whataboutism.

Good grief...

We are pointing out that it's you doing exactly that. 'Well, what about those two guys I knew..?'

It really is desperate stuff.

 

[Aldebaran]

Like I said, it doesn't have to be. Do you often quote God to point out that you think He's wrong?

Where did I say He's wrong? I simply said it wasn't my idea.

 

[Aldebaran]

Categorizing homosexuality as “perversion” and basing your opinion of a demographic comprising millions of people on a handful of personal encounters is the exact sort of bigotry that earns the right its reputation of being intolerant.

Why should anyone being tolerant of what I described? You can dismiss it as a "handful of encounters", but they go along very well with other peoples' accounts and experiences, not to mention what's being proudly put on display nowadays.

 

[Bradskii]

Where did I say He's wrong?

How can you not follow your own parts of a conversation? You posted a quote by God that says homosexuals deserve to die. Where did you say He's wrong? You didn't! You posted it because you thought He was right!

 

[Aldebaran]

Good grief...

We are pointing out that it's you doing exactly that. 'Well, what about those two guys I knew..?'

It really is desperate stuff.

At least I go by personal experience from when I did exactly as someone here keeps telling me I'm supposed to do, which is be supportive and even celebratory of what they do, and not even let my own thoughts or feelings about it be known. Your reaction is exactly why many people simply stay in their corner and don't let their views be known, lest they be labeled with derogatory names.

 

[Bradskii]

Why should anyone being tolerant of what I described?

Nobody should tolerate paedophiles. But that's it. If a paedophile happens to be straight, black, Asian, a plumber, a priest, left handed or gay doesn't matter whatsoever.

 

[Aldebaran]

How can you not follow your own parts of a conversation? You posted a quote by God that says homosexuals deserve to die. Where did you say He's wrong? You didn't! You posted it because you thought He was right!

I posted it as part of response to someone who wasn't you who suggested that I go so far as to celebrate someone's homosexuality. Here is that exchange:

Yes, it is. Tolerating homosexuality means not actively attacking them or targeting them with legislation. Tolerance is necessary where it’s not already present. Supporting homosexuality means treating them no differently than you would your heterosexual friends. As in, don’t grimace every time they mention their same-sex partner, or a date they went on, or bring a same-sex partner around. Include them in your social functions and attend theirs. Be a reliable source of emotional support.

Celebration, which is the next step, would be going to Pride with your gay friends. It’s not morally obligatory but it is morally commendable.

It's not morally commendable to give approval of things that are inherently sinful.

Romans 1:32:
"Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."