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Woke is Marxism Evolved to Take on the West

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Basically the article shows that "woke" has been in use in AAVE since at least the 1930s.

AAVE is a dialect of the english language with its own grammatical rules and traditions, like the "habitual be" form.


To judge AAVE by the standards of standard american english would be like judging american english by the standards of british english.

In other words, saying that AAVE speakers are imbeciles for using "woke" as an adjective is like calling american english speakers imbeciles for calling the pavement "sidewalk".
Do you think grammar is of any importance? Let's say you're a teacher of English to 20 young kids (since I don't know German). On the first day of class, you ask them what they did for summer vacation. Nineteen of them say "I went to the beach." One of them says "I am went to the beach." Would you correct him/her, or would you let it slide and let him continue to sound like an imbecile?

And, in America anyway, a sidewalk is one particular type of pavement. It's perfectly correct to call a sidewalk a sidewalk.
 
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Do you think grammar is of any importance? Let's say you're a teacher of English to 20 young kids (since I don't know German). On the first day of class, you ask them what they did for summer vacation. Nineteen of them say "I went to the beach." One of them says "I am went to the beach." Would you correct him/her, or would you let it slide and let him continue to sound like an imbecile?

And, in America anyway, a sidewalk is one particular type of pavement. It's perfectly correct to call a sidewalk a sidewalk.
Using "woke" as an adjective is not wrong grammar in AAVE.
 
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Which bit's would you contest? Of course you could ignore the above and not investigate him to any great degree.
I looked at about half of that. It's hard to contest mere name-calling. Ad homs and name-calling from hateful fanatics is not evidence to support your name-calling. "Conspiracy theorist" is just a tired, lame phrase to try to discredit anything you don't like. But I'm more interested in your second accusation, where you seem to say Lindsay is a pedophile. I'll give you a second chance on that. If you have evidence of that I'd like to hear it, because otherwise, it sounds like actionable slander.
 
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Plus I've got this friend who's a pirate. He asked me to go sailing with him and his crew along the Spanish Main. I asked him why he's going and he said "There be treasures!" I said "Dude, I don't know if you're good at piracy or not, but I'm going to pass because you sound like an imbecile."
 
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Why didn't you answer my question?
Because it's not relevant to the topic. As a matter of fact, so is this whole grammar tangent, so I'll stop responding to it entirely.
 
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I looked at about half of that. It's hard to contest mere name-calling.
You want name calling? From one of the links: 'He called Dr. Peter Hotez, who is Jewish (and an occasional contributor to The Daily Beast), “Dr. Lampshades”.

Wow. That alone precludes anyone treating seriously anything the guy has to say. There's a complete lack of basic humanity right there.
But I'm more interested in your second accusation, where you seem to say Lindsay is a pedophile. I'll give you a second chance on that. If you have evidence of that I'd like to hear it, because otherwise, it sounds like actionable slander.
I must have missed that...
 
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Because it's not relevant to the topic. As a matter of fact, so is this whole grammar tangent, so I'll stop responding to it entirely.
Yo cuz, wassup? What it do? You done be replyin' ta them gramma' posts, but then ya'll wanna stop when you done trap yo'self? It aight, it aight. Yo, peace out.
 
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Since it's been brought up, I want to say I am a huge fan of the word "woke". It's a past tense verb being used as an adjective, so saying "I'm woke" is like saying "I'm ate" or "I'm ran". I love it. The imbecility of it very much indicates the imbecility of the whole concept and mindset. Coincidence? I think not.
This has a lot of “they don’t talk correctly then want to be treated equally?” vibes within it.
It seems like a watered down version of white supremacy.
 
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You want name calling? From one of the links: 'He called Dr. Peter Hotez, who is Jewish (and an occasional contributor to The Daily Beast), “Dr. Lampshades”.

Wow. That alone precludes anyone treating seriously anything the guy has to say. There's a complete lack of basic humanity right there.

I must have missed that...
It's in post #13.
 
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This has a lot of “they don’t talk correctly then want to be treated equally?” vibes within it.
It seems like a watered down version of white supremacy.
:) Really? Would you feel any better about me if I told you that English Cockneys and Louisiana Cajuns (and many other white people) also don't talk correctly? Probably not, because you just want to think the worst of people you perceive as enemies, right?
 
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:) Really? Would you feel any better about me if I told you that English Cockneys and Louisiana Cajuns (and many other white people) also don't talk correctly? Probably not, because you just want to think the worst of people you perceive as enemies, right?
Why aren’t a subset of people in our culture allowed to have their own internal jargon and speech?
 
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Why aren’t a subset of people in our culture allowed to have their own internal jargon and speech?
They are allowed to. They are allowed to be incorrect. Let me ask you though, why do you think are there no national personalities like CNN or Fox News or ESPN anchors who speak ebonics or Cajun?
 
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:) Really? Would you feel any better about me if I told you that English Cockneys and Louisiana Cajuns (and many other white people) also don't talk correctly? Probably not, because you just want to think the worst of people you perceive as enemies, right?
 
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Woke is Marxism Evolved to Take on the West


This article is a nicely formatted transcript of a speech by James Lindsay about cultural Marxism. It was recently given at a conference:

"Conference organized in the European Parliament by the Identity and Democracy Foundation."

You can read the article because an article is required, or you can watch the video. In the video, James starts at 4:30 and goes to 32:55. I've put excerpts below.

I'm bringing this up because if you are sleeping then you are in trouble. There is no stopping this, and this is "Woke."

I call Woke the religion of equality, aka Church of Woke. Note that Woke is replacing Christianity and IMO it is the dominate religion in the West today. Woke is suppose to advance equity across the West:

Equity: “An administered political economy in which shares are adjusted so that citizens are made equal.”

Effectively, everybody ends up at the same economic level.

James explains the various species of Marxism. Genus is the umbrella that various species are under.

Cat: lion, tiger, leopard, house cat, ... .

Marxism: classical Marxism, radical feminism, critical race theory, queer theory and others.

Woke seems to cover many of the species under Marxism but not classical Marxism. James says Woke is Marxism with American characteristics.

Classical Marxism didn't work in the West, so they (professors and other influencers) shifted to cultural Marxism which we know as Woke. Instead of a fight between economic classes, now it's a fight between races. And Critical Race Theory falls out of that fight. Whiteness is a form of private property.

"Systemic racism is enforced by an ideology of white supremacy instead of capitalism. If you think of whiteness as a form of cultural capital, white supremacy, as they define, is identical to capitalism. It’s not believing that white people are superior. It’s believing that white people have access to the control of society and should maintain that, even if you don’t actually believe that. If you merely support that you have adopted the ideology of white supremacy into your mind."

...

"I wrote a book called Race Marxism and I defined Critical Race Theory as it really is in that book on the first page. I said that"



Moving on to queer theory:



Postcolonial theory:


The goal is the same as in Marxism. Seize the control of:

1. Means of production.
2. History.
3. Society.

Marx thought this would happen via economic means. In the West this is happening via socio-cultural means.

The various Marx species have divided themselves into peoples - folk. LGBTQ is a folk as is the black community. They act like nations and as colonizers:



"Don’t they put them on your buildings like colonizers? Don’t they hang them in your streets?"

"They think of themselves as occupying nations,"

China's Mao used identity politics to gain power. Woke is Maoism with American characteristics.



"Because the goal is to make us into what they call global citizens."

What is a global citizen?

"It’s somebody who supports the 17 Sustainable Development Goals of the United Nations Agenda 2030."

"It’s more about global responsibilities. In other words, slavery."

"This is a pivotal moment in the history of the Western world."
Yup... same dog, different bark.
 
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This has a lot of “they don’t talk correctly then want to be treated equally?” vibes within it.
It seems like a watered down version of white supremacy.
Not white supremacy at all. You won't find someone with a NY accent moving up the ranks in LA, just like you won't find someone with a Southern accent moving up the ranks in Wisconsin... Regardless of color!

Point being, at least try to adapt to your surroundings, wherever you go.
 
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What unintelligent word vomit. Speaking as someone with formal education in both history and in the history of economic thought, Lindsay is so wrong it's nearly painful.

This is just a tired old John Birch Society script equating the civil rights movement (nee, political correctness, nee 'woke') with communism. It's got very Birchian qualities when it comes to whinging about race. This is honestly Alex Jones level rubbish.

Woke isn't Marxism with American characteristics (it's largely a re-purposing of European youth social movements from the 1980s), but Lindsay's screed is White Nationalism with American characteristics.
 
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Woke silliness is its own collection of bad ideas. Attempting to hitch it to other bad ideas, like marxism, does a disservice to arguments against it by muddying the waters with spurious connections.
 
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