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Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

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Scripture also doesn't clearly say "this is covenant structure language" yet those who study covenant language have identified a substantial amount of covenant structure and language in Scripture by knowing how to look for it. There is quite a bit of information available on these studies under the heading of suzerain vassal treaties in case you haven't seen them. They note the "sign" wording in covenants has to do with being a sign of the covenant that when broken breaks the treaty of loyalty and is thus a very serious matter. I don't see that issue with Sabbath in the NC.

The Sabbath in the 10C was both based in creation and a covenant and sign between God and the children of Israel per the Ex & Ez verses we've both referenced.

When we go to the Israel as God's people now concept, it would be best to see precisely & clearly how that means Sabbath - the sign of the OC - has been carried into the NC era. There is Scriptural reason to view the Law as having changed. To what extent is the question.
I will have to respectfully disagree. I don't see any of the Ten Commandments changing including the Sabbath commandment and no scripture suggesting so either. The 10C came in a unit of Ten, we either keep them all or throw them out, most churches used to teach on the Ten Commandments until they had to deal with the 4th commandment. Sadly, instead of embracing all of the commandments choose to throw them all out. I personally don't see the issue with the 4th commandment, spending time with God on the day He sanctified and blessed for holy use. We can't know someone if we don't spend time with them and its no different with God. That doesn't mean we can't spend time with him outside the Sabbath and we should, but the Sabbath is about spending the whole day with God. He gives us 6 days to do our work and labors Exodus 20:9 and only asks for one day back dedicated to honoring Him on His holy and blessed day. Isaiah 58:13
 
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Incidentally, the only commandment that uses the word "holy" and "blessed" is the Sabbath commandment, the one commandment everyone says we should forget.
This doesn't automatically tie Sabbath to God's Holy character.
 
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I don't see the Sabbath commandment different than any other commandment so not sure I understand the argument. Is there a push to only worship God? God said and wrote that just like He did the Sabbath commandment.
Again, what you see and don't see is for you, not for all.
 
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But isn't that the point of looking at Scripture like Gal4 & Jesus being Lord of Sabbath & Jesus offering us rest while we work with Him under His yoke, etc. Is there no way that life in Christ in Spirit working with Him in rest is the already of the not yet complete fulfillment of the creation 7th day where man worked and will work and possibly is working at rest with God?

The observance of the 7th day is not the fulfillment of the concept.

The years between the crucifixion and the destruction of Jerusalem were in a sense open to Israel's repentance though Jesus foretold that they would not repent and turn to Him. Yes, there were Jews keeping Sabbath and Gentiles attending synagogue and new churches being planted and many things going on to establish the church. Then came destruction & no more temple & no more sacrifices & extensive death in Israel. For the most part the OC life was destroyed. Saying what Jesus did born under Law and what people were doing between the resurrection and destruction of Jerusalem does not seem like a very powerful argument to me. That generation was in great transition merging races and classes & all such things into Christ.
We do not receive His rest by being disobedient to Him. Hebrews 4 makes this very clear.

If one of the commandments of God written personally by God's own finger, spoken personally by God's own voice that can't be edited Deut 4:2 it would be as clear as day if it was changed. There is no evidence of it changing in scripture kept by Jesus who is our example to follow, who if He was planning on changing the Sabbath commandment that He kept, He would have told someone.
 
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don't think 22 million is something to sneeze about
Yet you think 1.2b + 900k RC & Protestants many or most of whom don't agree with SDA are to be sneezed about. This argument holds no sway with me FWIW.
 
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Again, what you see and don't see is for you, not for all.
Thats a personal choice we will have to make. God said the Sabbath is one of His commandments Deut 4:13, Exodus 32:16 Exodus 20 and no scripture stating we can break one of His commandments. How Jesus deals with that is up to Him, for me, its not a risk worth taking and I don't find keeping the Sabbath to be burdensome, but instead a blessing that is promised. Isaiah 58:13-14
 
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1844 establishes a timeline in scripture which matches historical events described in Daniel and Revelations. It does not predict the day or the hour as no one knows that, but it gives God's people tangible signs so we can be prepared for Jesus Coming so we know the time is near and not to give up hope. I'll go back and listen to the video and comment further if needed.
That's a theory maybe 22m out of 2b might hold. But since I'm not being swayed by numbers, I won't expect you to either.
 
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Yet you think 1.2b + 900k RC & Protestants many or most of whom don't agree with SDA are to be sneezed about. This argument holds no sway with me FWIW.
Yup, we are told there's only a remnant who keep God's commandments. Revelation 12:17 KJV so I actually think it's best not to follow the majority. Matthew 7:13-14 which is why we keep spreading the gospel....eventually when Jesus comes all of our decisions will be sealed. Revelation 22:11
 
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Of course. To be honest though, I don't think there is a gray area to being obedient to God's commandments and you seem to agree with the exception of the 4th commandment. IMHO I think not picking a side is actually by default picking a side.
I'm aware of your position. I'm not certain Sabbath qualifies as morality or love for neighbor or one-another. I suppose the question we're discussing is whether it's love for God, but then it would also be love for neighbor.

FWIW, to address YHO, I'm very open to being convinced. I have lived in observance and not in observance depending upon whom I was fellowshipping with. I'm not so certain this is not part of the freedom in Christ Paul speaks of.
 
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It's the same law, it just changed where it was placed.
That's one view.
I think the better argument would be- is there clear instruction not to keep the Sabbath commandment? Anytime you see keeping the commandments of God in the NT would include the Sabbath commandment. Is the Sabbath not a commandment of God? According to God it is. Deut 4:13,
Again, there are enough questions raised in the NC as to whether or not the 4th is still in place. Rather than discuss these theoretical overviews, it might be better to just look at them.

Animal sacrifices and other things were also commandments of God and you're well aware of the argumentation about wearing tassels and such.

You've to this point raised no specific argument against the Sabbath as the sign of the now Old Cov. Is there a sign of the NC?
 
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I'm aware of your position. I'm not certain Sabbath qualifies as morality
According to scripture all of God's commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 so would be the morally right thing for us to do is to obey God and His commandments.
or love for neighbor or one-another. I suppose the question we're discussing is whether it's love for God, but then it would also be love for neighbor.
No different than only worshipping God- keeping the commandments is love to neighbor and God. 1 John 5:2-3
FWIW, to address YHO, I'm very open to being convinced.
Earnestly pray, and I would not close yourself off to the link on Col 2:14-17 it is very detailed. I am of the belief its better to error on the side of obeying over disobeying, especially when it comes to thus saith the Lord.
I have lived in observance and not in observance depending upon whom I was fellowshipping with. I'm not so certain this is not part of the freedom in Christ Paul speaks of.
Paul reminds us what matters is keeping the commandment of God 1 Cor 7:19 and since Paul kept every Sabbath, I don't see it as giving permission to break one of the commandments.

Freedom in Christ is being obedient to Him- freedom to rest, freedom from the condemnation of sin, not freedom to break a commandment.
 
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That's one view.

Again, there are enough questions raised in the NC as to whether or not the 4th is still in place. Rather than discuss these theoretical overviews, it might be better to just look at them.
If you have scripture that clearly says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, I would be open to reading.
Animal sacrifices and other things were also commandments of God and you're well aware of the argumentation about wearing tassels and such.
Is there animal sacrifices or wearing tassels in the Ten Commandments? There is clear scripture animal sacrifices ended Hebrews 10:1-10, Col 2:14-17 as they point to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb for sins. The Ten Commandments still has the same role to define what sin is Romans 7:7. We don't need tassels to remember the commandments of God now because God wrote them in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10

We either see the Ten Commandments on a whole other foundation Exodus 32:16, Exodus 31:18 or we don't. When we don't it causes a lot of problems imho.
You've to this point raised no specific argument against the Sabbath as the sign of the now Old Cov. Is there a sign of the NC?
We are God's children through our obedience to God, that's the seal of God. Isaiah 8:16

Anyway, that probably enough for one day. I'll check back later and appreciate the conversation.
 
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But to answer your question, all of the commandments were repeated for everyday Christian living in the NT.

4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
Luke 23:56 And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
There is no commandment here and it is obvious that it has to do with ceasing from our works as God did. There is a command in 4:11 that commands to diligently put forth our highest efforts to enter into that rest in obedience. This seems like a good place to command rather to keep the 7th day every week, but it is clearly talking a about a future for Christians to strive for.

Honestly, this seems a bit desperate to propose this as a command to keep the 7th day.

Sabbatismos is used once in Scripture. Interpretations of it in context range from what SDA desires it to be, to being eschatological to be fulfilled in eternity.

I have no contention with the fact that the Jews observed the 7th day and still do. It's not proof against Scriptures that MAY say it is not a requirement in this era.
 
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The Sabbath is mentioned over 50+ times in the NC- it didn't go anywhere. Almost all the scripture on the Sabbath is thus saith the Lord, to me that's hard to argue with.
Not really proof of any command to keep the 7th day in this era.

I see no "thus sayeth the Lord" to keep Sabbath in this era in Christ.
 
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Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul quotes directly from the Ten Commandments to identify sin Romans 7:7 He who said thou shalt not murder also said Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - you break one commandment you break them all James 2:10-12
Again, not proof if it is no longer a commandment which Some NC verses MAY say it is not.
 
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There is no commandment here and it is obvious that it has to do with ceasing from our works as God did.
When did God cease from His works?

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

When did God speak in a certain place of the seventh day?

Mt Sinai speaking and writing the Sabbath commandment

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
There is a command in 4:11 that commands to diligently put forth our highest efforts to enter into that rest in obedience. This seems like a good place to command rather to keep the 7th day every week, but it is clearly talking a about a future for Christians to strive for.
We do not enter God's rest by disobedience

Hebrews 4:11 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

What did those who it was first preached in the wilderness disobey?

Ezekiel 20: 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.


Honestly, this seems a bit desperate to propose this as a command to keep the 7th day.

Sabbatismos is used once in Scripture. Interpretations of it in context range from what SDA desires it to be, to being eschatological to be fulfilled in eternity.
Well the literal translation means keeping of the Sabbath- not an SDA reference....

a Sabbath rest
σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity.
I have no contention with the fact that the Jews observed the 7th day and still do. It's not proof against Scriptures that MAY say it is not a requirement in this era.

I have yet to find the scripture that says we don't need to obey the commandments of God or that God's laws that He personally wrote with His own finger would not be included in the law on the heart. It was on Jesus heart and He kept it, so its good enough for me. :) Luke 4:16 John 15:10
 
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Again, not proof if it is no longer a commandment which Some NC verses MAY say it is not.
We could apply that to any law we didn't want to keep. Roman 7:7 points right to the Ten Commandments that God placed in a unit of Ten that you break one you break them all James 2:10-12 quoting from this same unit.

Anyway, I might not be the one to help on this matter. It doesn't seem like the scriptures I'm posting is making a difference. Maybe others might be better at reaching. @Freth has a wonderful way of posting, maybe has some thoughts to add.
 
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Do you think Adam and Eve would not have rested with God on the very first Sabbath? If you look at the language in Genesis 2:1-3 its almost identical to the Sabbath commandment Exodus 20:8-11. Where there is no law there is no sin Romans 4:15. Did Adam and Eve sin? Then there had to be law. Genesis 26:5 shows God's commandments existed way before Mt Sinai
This doesn't answer my question. After Adam's fall, is there clear Scripture commanding to observe Sabbath?

Gen26:5 is without much detail as you know.

I'm going to post from the TWOT Hebrew Lexicon here that speaks of some of the issues with the word in Gen2; It's not my proof-text for anything but does bring up some of the language issues and inserts some theology FWIW:

2323.0 ) שָׁבַתsh¹bat( cease, desist, rest.

)2323a) שֶׁבֶת (shebet( cessation.

)2323b) שַׁבָּת (shabb¹t( Sabbath.

)2323c) שָׁבַת (sh¹bat( keep the Sabbath (Lev 25:2; Lev 23:32). Denominative verb.

)2323d) שַׁבָּתוֹן (shabb¹tôn( Sabbath observance.

)2323e) מִשְׁבָּת (mishb¹t( cessation, annihilation (Lam 1:7).

There is still some question as to whether the noun shabb¹t is derived from the verb sh¹bat, or whether shabb¹t is primary, and the verb derived from it. in any case, it should be observed that the meaning of sh¹bat is "to rest" in the sense of repose only when the verb is used in a Sabbath context (and this is confined to the Qal stem, thirteen of twenty-seven times).

The basic thrust of the verb is, when transitive, "to sever, put an end to," and when intransitive, "to desist, to come to an end." This may possibly indicate that the Sabbath is the day which 'puts a stop to' the week's work. Statistically, sh¹bat is used seventy-one times in the OT. By stem it occurs twenty-seven times in the Qal (and thirteen of these, as we indicated above, are in connection with the Sabbath observance). The translation "to cease, desist" can be illustrated in the following verses: "Day and night shall not cease" (Gen 8:22); "The seed of Israel shall cease from being a nation (Jer 31:36); "So these three men ceased to answer Job" (Job 32:1).

In the Niphal sh¹bat appears four times. It is in the Hiphil, however, that the verb appears most often: forty times. Here the meaning is "to put an end to, to cause to cease." Preponderantly in the Hiphel of sh¹bat, God is the subject of the verb. It is a favorite verb of the prophets to describe God's judgment on his people: "I will cause to cease the arrogancy of the proud" (Isa 13:11), most often in Ezekiel (ten times). Occasionally sh¹bat, with God as subject, may have a hopeful ring to it: "He makes wars cease unto the end of the earth" (Psa 46:9 [H 10]; "The Lord who has not left you without a kinsman" (Ruth 4:14).

shebet. Cessation, four times: Isa 30:7; Prov 20:3. - 2Sam 23:7. Especially the last reference has caused translation problems. BDB (992a) does not even list this 'reference under shebet. Actually the KJV is heading in the right direction when it translates "they shall be 'utterly' burned with fire." Literally we may translate, "With fire burning they will be burned without cessation," (Dahood) vs. the translation "they shall surely be burned by fire 'in the dwelling place"' (Fensham).

shabb¹t. Sabbath, the seventh day of the week. The doubling of the middle consonant may indicate that the substantive is a Piel intensive noun, although the verb sh¹bat is never used in the Piel.

Concerning the origin of the Sabbath and its possible relationship to similar institutions in ancient near eastern cultures, not a few scholars have opted for the explanation that the biblical Sabbath is an adaptation of an analogous day in Mesopotamia. Two reasons exist for the supposed comparison. One is the existence of the ûmê lemnûti "evil days." A few Babylonian texts (primarily in the seventh century B.C.) proscribe certain days of every month as "evil days" and were days on which certain types of work were prohibited. The particular days in question were: 7/14/19/21/28. But as De Vaux remarks (Al, p. 480) it is difficult to fit the seven day week into a lunar month of twenty-nine and a half days.

The second piece of evidence is the Akkadian word šab/pattu which stands for the festival of the middle day of the month or the day of the full moon. It is further identified as "the day of the appeasement of the (god's) heart" ( ûm nûh libbi) and hence a day of good omen. It is not unreasonable to posit a semantic connection between Akkadian šapattu and Hebrew shabbât. The former, we have seen, designated the middle day of the month, a day which marked a boundary and a division. It could be that Hebrew shabb¹t likewise functioned as a dividing point, separating not the month into two halves, but rather separating the month into weeks. The two words would then be analogous to each other not on the basis of Hebrew adaptation, but on the basis of a common etymology and function (AI, p. 477).

More important than the origin of the Sabbath is what we may call Sabbath theology. What is its religious significance and for what reason(s) was its observance invoked? Something of the importance of this institution can be gauged by observing that of the ten commandments the fourth commandment is treated more extensively than any of the others.

Perhaps the best procedure will be to observe the motives for observance attached to the Sabbath, a command which may be stated positively: "Six days you shall work but on the seventh you shall rest" (Exo 23:12; Exo 31:15), or negatively: "You shall not work on the Sabbath" (Exo 20:10).

In the first place Exo 20:8ff. connects observance of the Sabbath with the fact that God himself rested on the seventh day after six days of work (Gen 2:2-3). Everything God made, as recorded in Genesis, he called good. Only the Sabbath, however, he sanctified, indicating perhaps that the climax of creation was not the creation of man, as is often stated, but the day of rest, the seventh day. The Sabbath is thus an invitation to rejoice in God's creation, and recognize God's sovereignty over our time.

Secondly, we observe in Deut 5:15 that a different reason is given for observing the Sabbath. "You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and Yahweh your God brought you out with a mighty hand....; therefore, Yahweh your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day." Exodus then connects the Sabbath with creation described in Genesis and Deuteronomy connects the Sabbath with deliverance from Egypt described in Exodus. Thus every Sabbath, Israel is to remember that God is an emancipator, a liberator. The early Christians were on target, it seems, when they connected the day of rest with the remembrance of Christ's resurrection. He is the one who gives freedom. Actually there is no real conflict between Deuteronomy and Exodus at this point. Whereas Deuteronomy has in view the people of the Covenant, the Exodus verses place the emphasis on the God of the covenant (AI, p. 481).

Thirdly, the Sabbath is a social or humanitarian ordinance which affords dependent laborers a day of rest: Exo 20:10, Deut 5:14-15 and Exo 23:12, "That your ox and your ass may have rest, and the son of your bondmaid, and the alien may be refreshed." Here then this commandment takes a step in the direction of making all men equal before God. As the Sabbath recalls the liberation connect this with the fact that in 1Cor 16:2 it is recorded that on the first day of the week there is a collection of money for the poor in Jerusalem?

Fourthly, the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant and in this way the Sabbath reaches into the future. The Sabbath now joins the signs of the rainbow and circumcision. The pertinent texts are Exo 31:13, 17 and Ezek 20:12, 20. This accounts for the reason that the penalty for profaning the Sabbath is death (Exo 31:14; Num 15:32-36; Jer 17:19-27). As long as Israel observes the Sabbath she affirms her loyalty to Yahweh and guarantees his saving presence. For the Christian believer these promises are fulfilled in a person, Christ. Through him we enter into God's own rest (Heb 4:1-11).

shabb¹tôn. Sabbath observance. In addition to designating the Sabbath (Exo 16:23), this word may apply to the day of atonement (Lev 16:31; Lev 23:32); the feast of trumpets (Lev 23:24); and the first and eighth days of tabernacles (Lev 23:39). The ending -on is characteiistic of abstract nouns in Hebrew such as zikk¹rôn "remembrance."

Bibliography: On shebet : Dahood, M., "Hebrew-Ugaritic Lexicography X," Bib 53:386-403, esp. p. 403. Fensham, F. C., "Exodus XXI 18-19 in the Light of Hittite Law of 10," VT 10:333-35. On shabb¹t : Armerding, H. T., "The Lord's Day Is Not Passed," CT 12:1076-78. Andreason, Niels-Erik, The Old Testament Sabbath, SBL Dissertation Series 7, 1972. idem., "Recent Studies of the Old Testament Sabbath: Some Observations," ZAW 86:453-69. Childs, B., The Book of Exodus, Westminster, 1974, pp. 412-17. Devaux, R., Al, 11, pp. 475-83. North, R., "The Derivation of Sabbath," Bib 36:182-201. Tsevat, M., "The Basic Meaning of the Biblical Sabbath," ZAW 84:447-59. Unger, Merrill F., "The Significance of the Sabbath," BS 123:53-59. Wolff, H., "The Day of Rest in the Old Testament," Lexington Theological Quarterly 7:65- 76. TDNT, VII, pp. 1-20. THAT, II, pp. 863-68. V.P.H.
 
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I will have to respectfully disagree. I don't see any of the Ten Commandments changing including the Sabbath commandment and no scripture suggesting so either.
Your disagreement is expected. Thankfully it remains respectful. Once again, what you see and don't see is not the arbiter of truth. The same obviously goes for all of us.

We really haven't even discussed Scripture like Gal4 and some others we can bring into discussion.
The 10C came in a unit of Ten, we either keep them all or throw them out,
If God does not include the 4th in this era, which is the point under discussion, then your last clause is simply speculation at best.
most churches used to teach on the Ten Commandments until they had to deal with the 4th commandment. Sadly, instead of embracing all of the commandments choose to throw them all out.
Antinomianism has become a very big problem IMO. Sabbath confusion is an interesting factor. SDA is either a factor in the confusion or the cure for it. I think this is what we're discussing.
I personally don't see the issue with the 4th commandment, spending time with God on the day He sanctified and blessed for holy use. We can't know someone if we don't spend time with them and its no different than with God. That doesn't mean we can't spend time with him outside the Sabbath and we should, but the Sabbath is about spending the whole day with God. He gives us 6 days to do our work and labors Exodus 20:9 and only asks for one day back dedicated to honoring Him on His holy and blessed day. Isaiah 58:13
Your personal thoughts are appreciated and respected but do not resolve the Scriptural issues.
 
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